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The Deafness Before the Storm (suggests Bush White House ignored pre-9/11 warnings)
The New York Times ^ | September 10, 2012 | Kurt Eichenwald

Posted on 09/11/2012 7:20:38 PM PDT by EveningStar

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal...

[T]he administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2012electionbias; 911; alqaeda; bushadministration; bushhasser; bushsfault; ntsa; osamabinladen; trutherism
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Haven't we heard these claims before?
1 posted on 09/11/2012 7:20:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Ignorance should be ignored. This is a double dose.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 7:22:03 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Diversity and political correctness. The real reason 09-11-01 happened.)
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To: EveningStar

Ignorance should be ignored. This is a double dose.


3 posted on 09/11/2012 7:22:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Diversity and political correctness. The real reason 09-11-01 happened.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s sounds paranoid to me.


4 posted on 09/11/2012 7:26:11 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I have no fondness for GWB presidency at all but reviving this nonsense on 9/11 is idiotic and disrespectful. What’s next? The Jersey girls (Britweiser) ?


5 posted on 09/11/2012 7:27:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It’s It sounds paranoid to me.
6 posted on 09/11/2012 7:27:38 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: sickoflibs

They don’t want to let it go.


7 posted on 09/11/2012 7:28:51 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I doubt anyone would conclude that a warning that “a big operation is being planned for sometime within the next month” means that terrorists are planning to take over planes and fly them into buildings on the morning of September 11.

Only 20/20 hindsight can reveal those connections.


8 posted on 09/11/2012 7:29:32 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: EveningStar
Wonder if the NY Times really wants to go there again.

The State Department in effect was assisting the Taliban's inhumane blockade intended to starve out communities, which opposed their dictates. Perhaps the most glaring evidence of this administration's tacit support was the effort made during the Spring of 1998, when a visit to Afghanistan made by Mr. Inderfurth who will be with us today and the United Nations Ambassador Bill Richardson. These administration representatives convinced the anti-Taliban northern alliance not to go on the offensive against a then weakened and vulnerable Taliban. Instead they convinced the anti-Taliban leaders to accept a cease-fire that was proposed by Pakistan. This cease-fire lasted only as long as it took the Pakistanis to re-supply and reorganize the Taliban. In fact within a few months of the announcement of the U.S. backed Ulima (ph) process, the Taliban freshly supplied by the ISI from Pakistan and flush with drug money went on a major offensive and destroyed the northern alliance.
So, our administration, at a pivotal moment, interceded in a way that brought the Taliban to almost complete power in Afghanistan. This was either incompetence on the part of the State Department and US intelligence agencies, or it is indicative of a real policy, the real policy of our government to insure a Taliban victory.
------------ Rep. ROHRABACHER (1999) -- How the Clinton Administration brought the Taliban to power, Senate testimony | April 14, 1999 | Rep. Dana Rohrabacher Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 10:01:18 PM by Nita Nupress

9 posted on 09/11/2012 7:30:06 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: EveningStar

The Lion’s share of the blame resides with Clinton and the f’ing democrats... Clinton was getting a BJ with the blessing of the MSM and other Democrats when he and they had a duty to be paying attention to real and present dangers... and where are we now, same damn place, like the last ten years of war has changed nothing.


10 posted on 09/11/2012 7:31:01 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: EveningStar

NT Times ever heard of this women?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

“A 1995 Department of Justice memorandum states that the procedures her memorandum put in place for the investigation of the first WTC bombing “go beyond what is legally required...[to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” The wall intentionally exceeded the requirements of FISA (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) for the purposes of criminal investigations, as well as the then-existing federal case law. These rules were, shortly after their creation, expanded to regulate such communications in future counter-terrorism investigations.”


11 posted on 09/11/2012 7:31:25 PM PDT by oldernittany
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To: EveningStar
Only left wing propagandists post left wing propaganda.

12 posted on 09/11/2012 7:32:04 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: EveningStar

1998 : (AFGHANISTAN : ———— see CLINTON ADMIN) In the year 1377 (1998) Olivier Roy and Christoph De Ponfilly wrote in an essay: “Massoud never understood why CIA and Pentagon decided to support his enemy Gulbuddin Hekmatyar in the fight against him. Massoud always dreamed of a united and equal people in Afghanistan and also of free elections in this country.” .....
-——— Biography: Ahmad Shah Massoud, Afgha.com ^ | September 12, 2006 | Farzana Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:39:32 AM by HAL9000


13 posted on 09/11/2012 7:34:01 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: EveningStar

Whoa....Wait a minute.......I thought it was Bush’s 911 conspiracy all along.......so Bush both conspired and ignored...ALL AT THE SAME TIME! Damn, he’s good.


14 posted on 09/11/2012 7:34:16 PM PDT by Be Careful
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To: oldernittany

Oh and lets forgot she made 26 million for mismanaging Fannie Mae”

“Even though she had no previous training nor experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed Vice Chairman of Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) from 1997 to 2003. She served alongside former Clinton Administration official Franklin Raines.[7] During that period, Fannie Mae developed a $10 billion accounting scandal.[8]

On March 25, 2002, Business Week interviewed Gorelick about the health of Fannie Mae. Gorelick is quoted as saying, “We believe we are managed safely. We are very pleased that Moody’s gave us an A-minus in the area of bank financial strength – without a reference to the government in any way. Fannie Mae is among the handful of top-quality institutions.”[9] One year later, Government Regulators “accused Fannie Mae of improper accounting to the tune of $9 billion in unrecorded losses”.[10]

In an additional scandal concerning falsified financial transactions that helped the company meet earnings targets for 1998, a “manipulation” that triggered multimillion-dollar bonuses for top executives,[11] Gorelick received $779,625.

Investigation by the OFHEO detailed in their official report on the accounting scandal in 2006 on page 66 that from 1998 to 2002 Gorelick received a total of $26,466,834.00 in income.”


15 posted on 09/11/2012 7:35:30 PM PDT by oldernittany
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To: I see my hands
Only left wing propagandists post left wing propaganda.

Not true. Left wing propaganda is posted here quite frequently - for the purpose of discrediting it.

16 posted on 09/11/2012 7:36:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

they have nothing else


17 posted on 09/11/2012 7:37:31 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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The Disney docudrama, Path to 9-11, censured!!!

18 posted on 09/11/2012 7:37:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Doogle

I know.


19 posted on 09/11/2012 7:38:39 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
RE :”They don’t want to let it go.

They don't have to let him go, but this is just stupid. They were on this nonsense today on MSNBC (Maddow and others).

Who would give a crap about this anyway?

20 posted on 09/11/2012 7:40:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: EveningStar

maybe this clown Eichenwald should try to find out what sandy berger was stealing from the national archives.....


21 posted on 09/11/2012 7:40:41 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: EveningStar

I thought it was Clinton’s administration that refused on multiple occasions to have bin Laden served up?

I must have my history wrong.


22 posted on 09/11/2012 7:41:12 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: EveningStar
The unassailable fact is if you post left wing propaganda you are a left wing propagandist. A=A

23 posted on 09/11/2012 7:42:23 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: EveningStar

and why do we continue to post the same crqappy article over asnd over??? it is written by a POS and it is a POS. Why give him space???


24 posted on 09/11/2012 7:43:31 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: EveningStar

There is no BUSH on the ticket this time. This is just an attempt to distract attention from the Messiah’s ineffectiveness.


25 posted on 09/11/2012 7:44:49 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: sickoflibs
Who would give a crap about this anyway?

The Left certainly does, and they need to be challenged and discredited for bringing this up ad nauseum.

26 posted on 09/11/2012 7:44:49 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
RE :”The Left certainly does, and they need to be challenged and discredited for bringing this up ad nauseum

I have nothing against you posting it to show what they are up to, but the average person wont care about this either way.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 7:50:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: I see my hands
The unassailable fact is if you post left wing propaganda you are a left wing propagandist. A=A

Fallacious reasoning on your part.

28 posted on 09/11/2012 7:52:59 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Nifster
and why do we continue to post the same crqappy article over asnd over??? it is written by a POS and it is a POS. Why give him space???

You can always ask a mod to delete the thread. :)

29 posted on 09/11/2012 7:54:37 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Rembrandt
There is no BUSH on the ticket this time. This is just an attempt to distract attention from the Messiah’s ineffectiveness.

I think you may be on to something. :)

30 posted on 09/11/2012 7:56:17 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; I see my hands

I agree with I see my hands.


31 posted on 09/11/2012 7:58:12 PM PDT by sport
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To: EveningStar

They are the scum of the earth over at the times. They should all be on the unemployment line. They can spew these lies about President Bush but can’t dig into Obama’s commie background.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 8:00:35 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: EveningStar

33 posted on 09/11/2012 8:00:46 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Be Careful

rofl


34 posted on 09/11/2012 8:01:17 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: EveningStar
The one thing for which Bush should have been pilloried, his politically-correct, yet moronic criticisms of racial profiling (a key characteristic of "compassionate conservatism"), goes unmentioned in the New York Times:

LOS ANGELES, Sep. 11 -- Ironically, in an attempt to appeal to the growing number of Arab-American and Muslim voters, exactly eleven months ago George W. Bush called for weakening airport security procedures aimed at deterring hijackers.

On Oct. 11, 2000, during the second presidential debate, the Republican candidate attacked two anti-terrorist policies that had long irritated Arab citizens of the U.S.

At present [i.e., the evening of 9/11], of course, there is no definite evidence that Arabs or Muslims were involved in today's terrorist assaults. Many incorrectly assumed after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that Middle Easterners were involved. Nor is there direct evidence that Bush's attack on airline safety procedures made the four simultaneous hijackings easier to pull off.

Bush said during the nationally televised debate, "Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what's called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that." Then-Governor Bush went on, "My friend, Sen. Spence Abraham [the Arab-American Republic Senator from Michigan], is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect. So racial profiling isn't just an issue at the local police forces. It's an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we're going to have to deal with it more and more."

Four years later, a USAir ticket agent spoke out:

Michael Tuohey was going to work like he had for 37 years, but little did he know that this day would change his life forever. On September 11, 2001, Tuohey, a ticket agent for U.S. Airways, checked in terrorist Mohammed Atta for a flight that started a chain of events that would change history.

Tuohey was working the U.S. Airways first-class check-in desk when two men, Atta and his companion Abdul Azziz-Alomari, approached his counter. From all outward appearances, the men seemed to be normal businessmen, but Tuohey felt something was wrong.

"I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap...I thought, 'My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.'"

To what extent was this ticket agent (and other ticket agents) influenced by Bush's lemming-like parroting of Clinton's and Gore's crusade against racial profiling? If there is one aspect of Bush's policies that led to 9/11, this is it. Of course, the Dems had the same position on profiling, which is to say that whichever party won in 2000, 9/11 was a foregone position, given the politically-correct ethos fostered by both party establishments. Now, if Clinton hadn't held office from 1993 to 2000, bin Laden might have been killed by a GOP president. But that's all water under the bridge.

 

35 posted on 09/11/2012 8:02:28 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: EveningStar

Yes the 09-11 Commission totally debunked this nonsense but like all good Progressive Fascists, the NYT never lets an inconvenient truth get in the way of their propaganda


36 posted on 09/11/2012 8:04:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Rembrandt
YEP.

What about NIXON?

What about Halliburton?

What about ........ (fill in the blank)

They are beginning to sound like Muslims finding one thing after another to be pissed about.

They are getting very predictable these days, now that their President EMPTY CHAIR has nothing to run on.

37 posted on 09/11/2012 8:08:53 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: EveningStar

Focus on Bush....no no...dont look at all the fail surrounding DNC-Obama Inc......focus on Bush....agi voo Bush.


38 posted on 09/11/2012 8:10:28 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: EveningStar
An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

"Neoconservative," like "crypto-fascist" is usually a good indicator of a non-serious journalist. While the term, in certain contexts, can have specific meaning, when used like this "neoconservative" just means "very conservative, even worse than normal conservatives" to this writer and the typical NYT reader.

Once again, there is no specificity in any of the claims. News that Al Qaeda had plans to kill Americans was not exactly news.

If Bush and his merry band of cryptoneoconservativebullies had proceeded with the only action available to them based on the non-specific information - capturing, detaining and interogating recent islamic arrivals, particularly young islamic men between 20 and 40 years of age from countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Afghanistan - Kurt Eichenwald and his ilk would have started calling them Nazis. And every leftwing legal organization in the country would have been filing appeals on the poor victims of his islamaphobia.

39 posted on 09/11/2012 8:12:12 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: EveningStar

Even if that were true, the Bush Administration had been in office for 8 months when 9/11 occurred, while Clinton had had 8 years to do something (including making a stronger response to the 1993 bombing) and had been offered bin Laden 3 times, passing on him each time. Bush’s share of the responsibility for 9/11 is small at most. Clinton’s is humongous.


40 posted on 09/11/2012 8:20:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: EveningStar

Bookmark


41 posted on 09/11/2012 8:34:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: EveningStar

I mean it just seemd like it has been posted multiple times today.....but maybe I have just seen headlined on the other sights I go to....


42 posted on 09/11/2012 8:34:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: EveningStar

Just another ad for The Disaster.

No one takes the NY Times seriously anymore. I wouldn’t take it for free.


43 posted on 09/11/2012 8:56:55 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Nifster
I mean it just seemd like it has been posted multiple times today.....but maybe I have just seen headlined on the other sights I go to....

It turns out that you're right. When I did a search, I searched on the title and got nothing, so I posted the article.

However, I just now searched on "Bush" and got some hits:

Left Politicizes 9/11 by Bashing Bush (This is not surprising)

NY Times Reporter Accuses Bush of 'Negligence' Regarding 9/11 (What a disgusting pos)

A lot of people prefer to read an article about an article rather than the article itself.

44 posted on 09/11/2012 8:57:57 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I guess I was just being cranky.... 9/11 and our embassies being attacked and our government doing NOTHING....


45 posted on 09/11/2012 8:59:44 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: EveningStar

Typical NYT BS. This is the best they can do?


46 posted on 09/11/2012 9:06:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: EveningStar

So sayeth NY Slimes writers. Same paper that interviewed an unrepentant Pentagon bomber and splashed the article in the Slimes on 9-11-2001.

FUNYT.


47 posted on 09/11/2012 9:12:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: exDemMom

Bush prevented multiple FOLLOWUP attacks on Los Angeles, the Brooklyn Bridge, Hethrow Airport, etc. without any acknowledgement from the Pravda Press.

If the goal was to “justify war”, why not permit the other attacks? To show “why we fight”?

FUNYT.


48 posted on 09/11/2012 9:14:53 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: oldernittany

And then she stepped in to “represent” BP in negotiations after the Gulf Oil spill.

For such a lousy track record, she sure gets high profile work.

30 pieces of silver to sell out America.


49 posted on 09/11/2012 9:19:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: EveningStar

50 posted on 09/11/2012 10:58:09 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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