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Obamacare Redefines 'Full Time' Employment As 30 Hours A Week
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | 12 Sep 2012, 4:16 PDT

Posted on 09/12/2012 6:48:01 PM PDT by drewh

A year and a half after the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, bureaucrats at the IRS and Health and Human Services issued an 18-page report outlining new regulations that will dramatically increase health care costs for small and large businesses alike.

The regulations, written by an IRS attorney, arbitrarily redefine "full time employee" as someone who works 30 hours a week for a business. Traditionally, most private businesses have defined "full time employee" as someone who works 40 hours a week.

With this new regulation, the federal government is now removing the right of businesses to define "full time employee" as they deem appropriate for their unique conditions.

The IRS rule is key because companies with more than 50 full-time employees must provide health insurance under Obamacare, or be fined.

Business groups have been warning that small companies might try to replace full-time workers with part-time help to avoid being forced to offer health insurance in 2014, but the 30-hour full-time definition is likely to undermine those plans.

The new regulations confirm former Speaker Nancy Pelosi's famous statement made just before President Obama's hallmark health care legislation became law. "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it," she said.

18 months later, we've found out more of what's in it, and most businesses have decided they don't like it.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2012; absolutedespotism; aca; crushfedgov; fulltime; fulltimejob; govtabuse; irs; longtrainofabuses; obama; obamacare; obamatax; obamatruthfile; ppaca; socialistdemocrats; socialisthealthcare; usurpations

1 posted on 09/12/2012 6:48:05 PM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

Obama and his Obamacare-ilk just keep white-washing this legislative horror story. His Marxist timebomb must be repealed.


2 posted on 09/12/2012 6:50:19 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

This is probably only the tip of the iceberg.


3 posted on 09/12/2012 6:51:37 PM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

I thought f/t was 32 hrs? Just saying.


4 posted on 09/12/2012 6:52:40 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: drewh

Why that’s twice as many hours as Obama works each week.


5 posted on 09/12/2012 6:52:47 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: drewh

In Obama’s economy, 30 hours is a good full time job.


6 posted on 09/12/2012 6:52:54 PM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: drewh

Before you know it, Obama will call 20 hours per week “full time” work.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 6:54:18 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: drewh

It’s actually 20 hrs/wk.


8 posted on 09/12/2012 6:54:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: drewh

I just sent out an “ I told you so” but it really has no good taste. We are all f-ed.


9 posted on 09/12/2012 6:55:51 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: drewh
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

At what point will we reach the caboose of this "long train"??

10 posted on 09/12/2012 6:57:23 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: drewh
“..This is probably only the tip of the iceberg...”

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Yes. This atrocity is written so that it can be RE-WRITTEN at any time as Obama and his brown-shirts to suit his agenda. This is a FANATIC EFFORT to ram this disaster down the throats of the American public and business world to hurt as many Americans as possible.

11 posted on 09/12/2012 6:58:44 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: drewh

How will poor people survive working only twenty-nine hours per week at minimum wage?


12 posted on 09/12/2012 7:01:48 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: drewh
In other words, employers are exempt until they exceed 49 full time employees, and there is no limit on the number of part time employees working 29 hours a week?

"The law of unintended consequences"

13 posted on 09/12/2012 7:02:14 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: drewh

14 posted on 09/12/2012 7:03:35 PM PDT by South40
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To: drewh

Commie Obama”care” and the dumbing down of the expectation of the American Worker.


15 posted on 09/12/2012 7:03:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: berdie

later


16 posted on 09/12/2012 7:14:01 PM PDT by berdie
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To: drewh

Well when you (according to the White House official records) start your day at 10:30 with a 1 hour meeting, followed by lunch then you’re off until the next day...and attend more fund raisers than national security briefings...and don’t hold a cabinet meeting in 8 months....30 hours a week seems like OVERTIME.


17 posted on 09/12/2012 7:17:12 PM PDT by Cookies4ever
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To: drewh

So now I’m (predicting) that I am going to have my hours cut even further; thanks, Obama!

This one regulation will literally kill (or severly wound) millions of starter-to mid level jobs..

Way to kill the American economy-not help it recover!


18 posted on 09/12/2012 7:19:12 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: drewh
How would he know? He never has worked a damn job... his days start at 10:30 to 11:30AM and end by 3PM. He is a slacker and a dope head and a fag... and a despot and a muslim and a coward and an evil liar... and much, much more.

LLS

19 posted on 09/12/2012 7:24:29 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: reg45

“How will poor people survive working only twenty-nine hours per week at minimum wage?”

Everyone will just have to have2-24 hour/week jobs!!

So everyone can worjk 48/week and boost the unemployment rate!!!!


20 posted on 09/12/2012 7:25:55 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: drewh

The new “29 hour work-week.” Hope and less “change.”


21 posted on 09/12/2012 7:27:55 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: drewh

I don’t think even teachers are full time yet with this new definition by our brilliant, brilliant prez...


22 posted on 09/12/2012 7:31:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Joshua Marcus

...and those poor souls will still be mandated to pay for coverage come ‘14.


23 posted on 09/12/2012 7:31:52 PM PDT by Joshua Marcus
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To: drewh
The IRS rule is key because companies with more than 50 full-time employees must provide health insurance under Obamacare, or be fined.

This is a back door to single payer. Companies with lots of part timers will just say "oh just fine me" and drop all coverage. Lots of employees will lose the coverage they have as a result. And the government will be there to scoop them up.

Of course Mitt Romney has evolved his position over time from "Repeal Obamacare on day one!" to "Repeal and replace!" to "Keep the good parts" which is his latest position. The trajectory looks like it leads straight to "I really tried but it's so hard to change it...."

24 posted on 09/12/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: drewh

great..unless somebody sues, part-time will now be 29 hours. The feds will get less tax revenue.
or , Employers just start lay-offs, reducing tax revenue to a greater extent.

Brilliant !


25 posted on 09/12/2012 7:43:26 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: drewh
At some point businesses will start hiring minimum wage earners as independent contractors. Then they will issue them 1099 forms, and they will have to pay their own tax's.
26 posted on 09/12/2012 7:48:44 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: drewh

Does Zer0 work more than 10 hr/wk?


27 posted on 09/12/2012 7:50:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: drewh
Business groups have been warning that small companies might try to replace full-time workers with part-time help to avoid being forced to offer health insurance in 2014, but the 30-hour full-time definition is likely to undermine those plans.

No problemo; four 7 hour days should do it.

28 posted on 09/12/2012 7:52:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: drewh

so anything over 30 hours is overtime also..


29 posted on 09/12/2012 7:58:48 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: Mike Darancette
No problemo; four 7 hour days should do it.

It'll be more like seven 4 hour days; one hour on, the next off, etc.

That will do it too.

30 posted on 09/12/2012 8:10:35 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: drewh

I think I’ve figured out at least some of Obama’s method; and there IS method to his madness! He gets things going SO chaotic and SO confused that people don’t know which end is UP. Then he issues a proclamation today that contradicts yesterday’s proclamation. He also then proceeds to proclaim which end is UP by decree. - All the while SPEAKING and SPEAKING and SPEAKING, using juvenile Speech 101 methods (Rule #1 - Never sound your “s”s on the end of words as it makes a hissing sound, like a snake - in the grass - and never, never, never get caught with your Teleprompter down - and, whatever you do, don’t dare ever let them see the EMPTY CHAIR or the EMPTY SUIT . . .


31 posted on 09/12/2012 8:27:34 PM PDT by Twinkie (In whose eyes a vile person is contemned. Ps. 15:4a)
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To: EagleUSA

I’m beginning to think they are writing this thing as problems come up.


32 posted on 09/12/2012 8:54:10 PM PDT by berdie
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To: reg45
How will poor people survive working only twenty-nine hours per week at minimum wage?

They won't. That's been his goal all along.

33 posted on 09/12/2012 9:06:29 PM PDT by bgill
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...For Obama-care mandates.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 9:10:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: DTogo
At what point will we reach the caboose of this "long train"??

In case you haven't noticed, there are no cabooses, or would that be cabeese anymore... And as long as the Nigerian eunuch is in the White House, you won't even see a F.R.E.D.

35 posted on 09/12/2012 9:15:53 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Gene Eric
It’s actually 20 hrs/wk.

Right.

20 hrs/week entitles an employee to full-time pension and vacation benefits if the employer provides these to other F/T employees.

In Pennsylvania for an employee to qualify for health insurance benefits, they need to work 25 hrs/week.

So if the limit is raised to 30 hrs/week an employee who works 25 hrs will lose their benefits.

36 posted on 09/12/2012 9:21:04 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: drewh

This is crazy. Likely to eliminate jobs too.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 9:40:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: zeebee

He thrives on being a disruptive jackass.


38 posted on 09/13/2012 4:04:34 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: political1
The IRS purposely sets a really high bar in determining whether a person is an independent contractor or an employee.

It's not that easy to do:

Common Law Rules

Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:

1.Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?

2.Financial: Are the business aspects of the worker’s job controlled by the payer? (these include things like how worker is paid, whether expenses are reimbursed, who provides tools/supplies, etc.)

3.Type of Relationship: Are there written contracts or employee type benefits (i.e. pension plan, insurance, vacation pay, etc.)? Will the relationship continue and is the work performed a key aspect of the business?

Businesses must weigh all these factors when determining whether a worker is an employee or independent contractor. Some factors may indicate that the worker is an employee, while other factors indicate that the worker is an independent contractor. There is no “magic” or set number of factors that “makes” the worker an employee or an independent contractor, and no one factor stands alone in making this determination. Also, factors which are relevant in one situation may not be relevant in another.

The keys are to look at the entire relationship, consider the degree or extent of the right to direct and control, and finally, to document each of the factors used in coming up with the determination.

Independent Contractor or Employee

39 posted on 09/13/2012 4:29:25 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: sickoflibs; drewh; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

Diabolical. And if Romney gets elected, his promises of repeal notwithstanding, what are the odds his HHS secretary will change these regulations back to what they were when the media starts blasting him for being “mean-spirited?”


40 posted on 09/13/2012 7:10:58 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”Diabolical. And if Romney gets elected, his promises of repeal notwithstanding, what are the odds his HHS secretary will change these regulations back to what they were when the media starts blasting him for being “mean-spirited?

That one doesnt sound that hard to change back without causing a fuss, assuming Romney disagrees with it.

I do remember in 2010 and 2011 you warning that if any version of O-care passes it will be VERY hard to get any of the free-bees repealed for the same reason you cite above.

Note the problems Romney is having regarding his repeal promises and the pre-existing data mandate. He was quized on this earlier this year and said he wanted to out-law pre-existing conditions exclusion's as long as the person is covered by insurance by say another insurer, Obviously this gets complicated if you try to really come up with a law.

At the DNC they dragged up Moms on stage who claiming that this regulation saved their kids lives (kids pictures shown) and they would die if Romney repeals it.

Reality is Republicans in congress probably couldnt get a full repeal bill to Romney's desk.

41 posted on 09/13/2012 7:55:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

Correction :2009 and 2010 , 2011 Rs had the House


42 posted on 09/13/2012 7:57:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Dan Zachary
In Obama’s economy, 30 hours is a good full time job.

That's all he works per week, why should anyone else have to work more than that?

43 posted on 09/13/2012 8:01:37 AM PDT by WileyC
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That one doesnt sound that hard to change back without causing a fuss, assuming Romney disagrees with it.

We'll see what happens if R gets elected. Who knows, maybe he will have a Reagan epiphany. All I am saying is, don't be too disappointed if he doesn't turn out to be as anti-obama as expected. We know he has a dubious record.

44 posted on 09/13/2012 2:48:48 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; S; drewh; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”All I am saying is, don't be too disappointed if he (Romney) doesn't turn out to be as anti-obama as expected.

Was this directed at me?? A joke? Me?? LOL

45 posted on 09/13/2012 7:56:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
RE :”All I am saying is, don't be too disappointed if he (Romney) doesn't turn out to be as anti-obama as expected.”

Was this directed at me?? A joke? Me?? LOL

Just trying to make it clear what I think. I hope he turns out better than I suspect, but his history is hardly encouraging.

Obviously, as in the "barking-up-the-wrong-tree" thread, you are not a Romney worshiper.

46 posted on 09/13/2012 8:18:52 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”Just trying to make it clear what I think. I hope he turns out better than I suspect, but his history is hardly encouraging.
Obviously, as in the “barking-up-the-wrong-tree” thread, you are not a Romney worshiper.

Well it was pretty funny to me to reading “.. don't be too disappointed if he (Romney) doesn't turn out to be as anti-obama as expected.” in a ping to me. Disappointed ???LOL

Romney was and is a very dishonest flip flopping liar as those quotes of him about Libya I posted show and he will say any thing at any time that he thinks sound good at the moment, and examples are endless.

Now you don't have to repeat what everyone else says, “Obama is worse, he lies all the time, he is worse than Romney” because I know that and so I will make a different point as I always try to.

Romney is getting caught, call it a biased MSM but it is more than that, the media always looks for got-ya moments because that is what sells and Obama being POTUS and his seeing he has the advantage over R is allowing him to carefully controlling his exposure to the media to make it hard for them to get him, if they wanted to.

Alternatively Romney and Ryan are forced to give interview after interview with the MSM to gain exposure and to accept liberal mods in the debate as they did and so every lie and flip flop is gravy for the MSM and shown to voters no cost to Obama.
And Romney's similarity in real views to O limit the arguments he can use effectively against him which is why he seems so lame(my view anyway).

In conclusion : Romney's flaws are hurting him NOW. We don't have to wait.

47 posted on 09/13/2012 8:51:49 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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Romney is in desperate need of a Lee Atwater.


48 posted on 09/14/2012 8:25:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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