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Autopsy Proves Planned Parenthood Killed Woman in Botched Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | 9/11/12 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/12/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by kathsua

A leading pro-life group has obtained a copy of Tonya Reaves’ autopsy report that it says shows beyond a doubt that the 24-year old woman died from three major complications during a botched second-trimester abortion suffered at a Chicago area Planned Parenthood abortion clinic on July 20, 2012.

Operation Rescue, which obtained the full autopsy results late yesterday, says it indicates that Reaves’ injuries were survivable if she had received proper emergency care in a timely manner.

The autopsy report is seven pages in length but it took two months for it to be released publicly, despite requests from OR and a pro-life attorneys group. Operation Rescue president Troy Newman tells LifeNews the autopsy is missing any information about the Planned Parenthood clinic that did the failed abortion as well as the name of the abortion practitioner responsible for taking Reaves’ life. Newman says these omissions give substance to suspicions that there is an on-going cover-up of Planned Parenthood’s actions that led to Reaves’ death.

It is the official opinion of the Cook County Medical Examiner that Reaves’ cause of death “is due to hemorrhage resulting from cervical dilation and evacuation due to an intrauterine pregnancy.” In plain language, Reaves bled to death as the result of a bungled D&E abortion. The pregnancy itself did not contribute to her death.

“We strongly believe that criminal charges such as Depraved Indifference, Criminal Negligence, and Criminal Malpractice are applicable in this case and we again call for a criminal investigation into the death of Tonya Reaves,” said Newman. “Planned Parenthood killed her, now they must be brought to justice in a court of law.”

“As bungled as this abortion was, we believe Tonya Reaves could have survived her injuries if she had gotten immediate emergency care and if Planned Parenthood had shared medical information with the hospital related to her incomplete abortion and uterine perforation,” said Newman. “Instead, Planned Parenthood left the trauma team in the dark to solve the puzzle of Tonya’s injuries while her life ebbed away.”

Newman said the autopsy reveals the following:

* She was a healthy woman who was approximately 16 weeks pregnant at the time of her abortion, well into the second trimester. * She suffered from an incomplete abortion. The Medical Examiner discovered pieces of placenta still attached to the inside of her womb even after a second abortion done by the hospital to remove fetal remains left by Planned Parenthood. * She suffered a 3/16 inch uterine perforation near forcep impression marks. D&E abortions involve dismembering the baby in the womb and removing the pieces with forceps. * She suffered an “extensive” perforation of her broad uterine ligament with a possible severing of her left uterine artery as a result of her abortion. This accounted for the internal bleeding that was discovered only too late by the hospital trauma team. * There were 1-1.5 liters of blood and clots inside her abdominal cavity. The human body holds roughly five liters of blood. Reaves bled about 30 percent of her total volume of blood into her abdomen, and that does not account for the amount of blood lost through what was likely substantial vaginal bleeding due to the retained fetal remains. * In a vain attempt to save her life, the hospital trauma team performed an emergency hysterectomy on Reaves.

Some news report have indicated that a contributing factor in Reaves’ death was injuries received from being pushed down a flight of stairs by her one-year old son’s father. However, the autopsy indicated, “There is no evidence of significant recent external injury.” This puts the responsibility for Reaves’ death solely on Planned Parenthood.

Newman is also concerned that Planned Parenthood is engaging in false advertising about the abortions it does at the Chicago clinic where Tonya died.

“Reaves’ abortion took place at the Loop Health Center Planned Parenthood, located at 18 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago. Planned Parenthood’s website indicates that surgical abortions were not supposed to be available at that location, which leads to questions about whether the office was properly equipped for risky second trimester abortions,” he said.

Operation Rescue plans to file a complaint with the Illinois Department of Professional Regulation against abortionist Carolyn Hoke, who is believed to have been responsible for Reaves’ abortion. Hoke serves as the Medical Director for Planned Parenthood. One week after Reaves’ family sued Planned Parenthood of Illinois for killing Reaves, it agreed to pay the state $367,000 to settle a case against Hoke involving fraudulent over-billing of Medicaid.

In that case, abortion practitioner Caroline Hoke was accused of over-billing Medicaid an estimated $430,380 for mostly undocumented services. Hoke was the state’s fourth highest billing Medicaid physician, asking the taxpayers to fork over $3.9 million to her from 2009-2011 as she served as the Medical Director for Planned Parenthood of Illinois.

Although news reports indicate Reaves’ family has filed suit, officials with Operation Rescue and the Thomas More Society, a pro-life legal group, can find no actual evidence one has been filed. The family reportedly sued Planned Parenthood and Northwestern Memorial Hospital after Reaves received a botched second trimester abortion at a Chicago Planned Parenthood office on July 20, 2012.

The Planned Parenthood abortion business, which waited five hours before sending a woman who died from a botched legal abortion to the hospital, never called 911.

Initially, Steve Miller of the CBS news affiliate WBBM released a report showing documents released in the botched abortion death of Tonya Reaves that alarmingly showed Planned Parenthood delayed summoning emergency care for the dying woman for five and a half hours after the abortion failed.

Later John Jansen of the Pro-Life Action League, obtained documents verifying that Planned Parenthood’s Loop Health Center in Chicago did not call 911 on the day 24-year old Tonya Reaves died after having an abortion at the facility.

“Documents obtained via the Freedom of Information Act show [PDF] that only one call to 911 was made on Friday, July 20 from the building located at 18 S. Michigan, which houses Planned Parenthood and several other tenants,” Jansen said. “It’s unclear which tenant in the building placed that call, made at 12:46 p.m., but it was concerning an instance of child abuse, and thus could not possibly have been related to Tonya Reaves.”

“Planned Parenthood’s unfathomable negligence in the death of Tonya Reaves raises numerous questions that demand answers,” Jansen added. “Why didn’t Planned Parenthood call 911 immediately once Tonya Reaves started experiencing complications following her abortion?”

“Did Planned Parenthood call a private ambulance company instead of calling 911? If so, why? It was a Chicago Fire Department ambulance that ultimately transported Tonya Reaves to Northwestern Memorial Hospital — five and a half hours after her abortion. If Planned Parenthood didn’t call 911, who notified the Fire Department and told them to send an ambulance?” Jansen asked. “Does Planned Parenthood’s Loop Health Center have a medical emergency policy? If so, was it followed in the case of Tonya Reaves?”

“Most abortion facilities in the state of Illinois are subject to inspections by the Department of Public Health. But due to a loophole in the state’s complicated abortion facility regulatory scheme, all Planned Parenthood abortion clinics in Illinois are unlicensed and not subject to state inspection,’” he continued. “As a result, there is a lot we don’t know about Illinois’ Planned Parenthood facilities.”

Jansen concluded: “But we do know that 24-year old Tonya Reaves had an abortion at Planned Parenthood’s Loop Health Center and died 12 hours later — and Planned Parenthood needs to be held accountable for her death.”

At 11:00 a.m. on Friday, Reaves received a second-trimester dilation and evacuation (D&E) abortion at Planned Parenthood, located at 18 S. Michigan Ave. in Chicago. Following the abortion, Reaves began bleeding heavily and it continued at Planned Parenthood for five and a half hours before a Fire Department ambulance finally took her to Northwestern Memorial Hospital at 4:30 p.m., according to Miller.

Then, once the young woman arrived at the hospital, the reports make it appear emergency personnel had to start from scratch to figure out the extent of Reaves injuries.

“Then at 5:30 p.m., doctors performed an ultrasound, and another dilation and evacuation procedure – basically, another abortion – this time at Northwestern,” Miller reports. “But after that, there were then more problems, and pain. That warranted a new ultrasound, and a perforation was discovered. At 10:12 p.m., Reaves was taken back to surgery – and “an uncontrollable bleed was discovered,” documents say.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortiondeath; moralabsolutes; operationrescue; plannedparenthood; prolife; tonyareaves
The people who killed Tonya Reaves should be prosecuted, but of course they won't be in Chicago.
1 posted on 09/12/2012 9:07:29 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: Mrs. Don-o

PING


2 posted on 09/12/2012 9:22:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kathsua
"Operation Rescue plans to file a complaint with the Illinois Department of Professional Regulation against abortionist Carolyn Hoke"

NOT a DOCTOR, but an ABORTIONIST. So what 'doctor' is she working under?

Now... the address given in the article provides a Virgil C. Reid III, MD.

A search of Reid gives us...

Virgil C Reid III, MD Assistant Professor of Clinical Obstetrics and Gynecology


3 posted on 09/12/2012 9:49:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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...something something...something...health of mother....something....something


4 posted on 09/12/2012 9:58:54 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: kathsua

So.... this DOCTOR has a rented office in a high-rise where he has non-doctors performing aboritons (and who knows what else) without supervision... does that seem about right ?

I bet he’s pulling in the bucks.


5 posted on 09/12/2012 9:59:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: kathsua

When they legalized abortion, the back alley docs just moved their signs to the front of the building.


6 posted on 09/12/2012 10:17:46 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: kathsua

We need to see what MS.Fluke has to say on this.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 10:19:25 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: kathsua

It states the hospital did an ultrasound and then performed a second abortion on her. Then when she developed further problems they did another ultrasound and discovered a perforation. This makes it sound like, while planned parenthood clinic botched the abortion initially by leaving remains behind, it could be that the hospital’s procedure is what caused the perforation and that’s what did her in? It’s all so fricking disgusting!


8 posted on 09/12/2012 10:42:45 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: kelly4c

The way I see it, this is a double murder.


9 posted on 09/12/2012 10:54:09 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: UCANSEE2

“does that seem about right ?”

In California...yep. In fact CA should pass a law making that SOP. Hey, wait a sec...(sarc)


10 posted on 09/12/2012 10:56:38 PM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: kathsua
Didn't the baby die too? Not a lot of sympathy here for the "mother" who tried to slaughter her baby.
11 posted on 09/12/2012 11:50:05 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: kathsua

Abortion providors are allowed to legally butcher and mutilate the female body in this country.

Who is engaged in a war on women?


12 posted on 09/13/2012 12:50:26 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: laweeks

“Not a lot of sympathy here for the “mother” who tried to slaughter her baby.”

Same here; I could imagine what the Final Judgment must be like for them...


13 posted on 09/13/2012 2:02:01 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Double murder. One of the filthiest.


14 posted on 09/13/2012 5:10:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: kathsua

As long as the taxpayer keeps paying for murder, there will be no reason for pp to stop.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 5:29:28 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: annieokie

I called her and she responded that the abortion deaths were tragic and if free contraception had been available there would have been no pregnancy to abort


16 posted on 09/13/2012 5:41:52 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: laweeks

maybe the mother was conned into the abortion by the baby killers at Planned Parenthood


17 posted on 09/13/2012 7:05:51 PM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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To: kathsua
maybe the mother was conned into the abortion by the baby killers at Planned Parenthood

You'd have to stretch your imagination to think that Planned Predators could "con" someone into slaughtering your unborn baby.

18 posted on 09/14/2012 6:18:58 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Murder most foul, as in the best it is,
But this most foul, strange, and unnatural.”


19 posted on 09/14/2012 6:26:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: laweeks
You'd have to stretch your imagination to think that Planned Predators could "con" someone into slaughtering your unborn baby.

No, it's more like coerce, frighten, isolate and intimidate, and the rotten bastards often enlist the mothers' families or friends in their foul schemes. For Planned Barrenhood, there's big money in killing babies.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 6:30:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
the rotten bastards often enlist the mothers' families or friends in their foul schemes.

I have little sympathy for any woman who with premeditation arranges to slaughter her baby(ies) for any reason whatsoever. Sorry. Unless she's shackled and tied down at the abortuary (like they do in China), then she HAS taken part in her child's conscious and deliberate murder.

This attempt to make the woman who lets someone kill her child into some kind of victim is getting tiring.

21 posted on 09/14/2012 6:39:18 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks
Go spend some serious quality time in a pregnancy center, where folks try to help these young women choose life, and then care for their babies.

I suggest that when you do this, you make extensive use of your eyes and ears, and severely curtail the use of your mouth.

IMO, you have much to learn.

You might also learn a thing or two by listening to former Prisoners of War discuss their experiences. A Planned Barrenhood facility is not the Hanoi Hilton; the rotten bastards plying their trade therein are not NVA interrogators. There are, however, many parallels.

22 posted on 09/14/2012 6:53:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: laweeks
then she HAS taken part in her child's conscious and deliberate murder.

That is what we call a "half truth". There's no falsehood in it, but there is much left out. I hope it's simply a matter of ignorance on your part. Ignorance is curable.

23 posted on 09/14/2012 6:55:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I hope it's simply a matter of ignorance on your part

Don't call me ignorant. There are 3,300 Americans slaughtered every day in our country by these butchers . . . they can't slaughter a baby without the consent of the bearer of the baby . . . don't call me ignorant . . . we've nambly-pambly coddled the "mother" part of this tragedy by calling them victims.

They are the key to the wholesale slaughter of 50,000,000 murdered Americans since 1973. That sir (or ma'am) does not warrant calling me ignorant.

24 posted on 09/14/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks
Don't call me ignorant.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em. Learn to live with it.

25 posted on 09/14/2012 7:17:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

American Abortions Statistics since 1973
1973 744,600
1974 898,600
1975 1,034,200
1976 1,179,300
1977 1,316,700
1978 1,409,600
1979 1,497,700
1980 1,553,900
1981 1,577,300
1982 1,573,900
1983 1,575,000
1984 1,577,200
1985 1,588,600
1986 1,574,000
1987 1,559,100
1988 1,590,800
1989 1,566,900
1990 1,608,600
1991 1,556,500
1992 1,528,900
1993 1,495,000
1994 1,423,000
1995 1,359,400
1996 1,360,200
1997 1,335,000
1998 1,319,000
1999 1,314,800
2000 1,313,000
2001 1,291,000
2002 1,269,000
2003 1,250,000
2004 1,222,100
2005 1,206,200
2006 1,242,200
2007 1,209,600
2008 1,212,400
2009-11 1,212,400

54,559,61 Total abortions since 1973

And every single one of these slaughtered babies had a “mother” who brought them to the abortuary to be killed. That’s a lot of poor widdle itty bitty to-be-pitied “mommies.”

Pathetic.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 7:28:31 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks; ArrogantBustard; wagglebee

Imho, you may be missing ArrogantBustard’s point, which if I understand correctly, is that Planned Parenthood preys on the fears, naivety and lack of education among young women. Someone who has never been to one of their sites might well be unaware of what goes on there. Reading an article can only give us so much information.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 7:39:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: laweeks
You have a remarkable command of the numerical facts. Congratulations! That puts you ahead of most Americans.

You appear to completely lack any comprehension of the reality behind those numbers.

Every single one of those dead babies is the result of some girl or young woman making the mental journey from "Holy crap! I'm pregnant! I can't handle this ..." to "Abortion is my only solution ..." There are forces in this world; forces in the mass media, in the public schools, in the demonicRat Party, in the courts, at Planned Barrenhood, fully dedicated to convincing that girl or young woman that abortion is her only option. Those foul creatures will lie, cheat, coerce, intimidate, isolate, do anything and everything they can to break her down and make her think only of aborting her pregnancy. They have both ideological and financial incentives to carry out their perverted agenda.

Thanks be to God, there are also forces at work in this world; forces in Churches, private schools, pregnancy centers, families, and elsewhere dedicated to convincing that girl or young woman that she should keep her child alive. They have no financial incentive, only their firm belief that abortion is a most foul and hideous wrong. They cannot do their work without also understanding the very deranged world in which the pregnant girls and young women they help are living.

So go ahead: post the numbers. They're important, and too few people know them.

But until you understand the horrid and very strange reality behind those numbers (and you evidence no understanding thereof), you won't really be able to reduce those numbers in the future.

28 posted on 09/14/2012 7:46:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trisham
Someone who has never been to one of their sites might well be unaware of what goes on there.

I can't imagine how anyone nowadays could imagine that Planned Predators was anything more than an abortuary. I think that, in most cases, it's a convenient excuse to say that they didn't have any idea as to what goes on in there.

In any case, let's move on and pray for the souls of those millions of innocent babies slaughtered since 1973 . . . a couple generations of Americans.

29 posted on 09/14/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

Which is why the subject of this thread is important. Lest we forget, that subject is what Operation Rescue is trying to accomplish here.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 7:58:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: laweeks; trisham
I can't imagine how anyone nowadays could imagine that Planned Predators was anything more than an abortuary.

Well, there's a big part of your problem, right there.

let's move on and pray for the souls of those millions of innocent babies slaughtered since 1973

No, let's NOT "move on". Let's deal right now, today, with the 3000 girls and young women being pressured to kill their kids TODAY. Whatcha gonna do? Get in their faces? Yell and scream, tell 'em how evil they are? Drag 'em by their hair out of the kill-zone?

I think that, in most cases, it's a convenient excuse

I think you have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the appalling amount of deliberately fostered pig-ignorance and inability to think clearly that's going on out there.

I reiterate my comments in #22.

31 posted on 09/14/2012 7:59:37 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I think you have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to the appalling amount of deliberately fostered pig-ignorance and inability to think clearly that's going on out there.

Wow! Sure got a mouth on you, don't you. Not enough to just diagree, is it? I hope you feel better now.

I will continue with my belief that there are three parties to each abortion:

1. (the mother) The bearer of the child(ren)
2. (the enabler) The one who takes "mommy" to the abortuary.
3. (the killer) The abortionist.

I happened to know one of those "mommies" who pretended that she didn't know what they do at Planned Predators, pretended that she was just going to get rid of some "obligate parasitic cells," and every year since then, she admits that she knew quite well EXACTLY what she was doing and hates herself for it. Instead of a birthday of her child, all she has is a "death day" once each year when she realizes exactly what she did.

I pity her, but realize that she readily admits AFTER what she did, that she was complicit in the murder of her own child.

32 posted on 09/14/2012 8:18:39 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

This isn’t about you. Good grief.


33 posted on 09/14/2012 8:23:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: laweeks; trisham
Wow! Sure got a mouth on you, don't you. Not enough to just diagree, is it?

So, what? Do you honestly think there aren't a whole huge lot of teenage girls and young women out there who are pig-ignorant regarding the reality of abortion, and unable to think clearly about it? Do you seriously propose that a 13 year old daughter of a 'single mom', raised by TV and educated by the public schools, has the same grasp of the facts, the same ability to process them, as you do?

I will continue with my belief that there are three parties to each abortion:

So, you choose to ignore the flood of pro-abortion propaganda in the public schools, the flood of pro-abortion propaganda on the TV, the "counselors" at the kill-center, the family members and 'friends' with various interests in "getting rid of it" ... Once again, you have posted a partial truth.

I happened to know one of those "mommies"

I reiterate my comments in #22. Spend some time watching and listening at a pregnancy center; you'll get to know a whole lot more of them.

Instead of a birthday of her child, all she has is a "death day" once each year when she realizes exactly what she did.

Yep ... the abortion industry, and its fellow-traveling propagandists, don't bother to mention that ...

OBTW, 13 year old inner-city girls don't talk about "obligate parasites".

34 posted on 09/14/2012 8:38:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trisham; laweeks
The idea that every woman or girl who committed an abortion must have done so with careful premeditation, malice aforethought, and full knowledge of the facts, is not uncommon amongst pro-life folks. After all, I know all this stuff ... therefore everybody else must know it, too.

There certainly are abortion-minded women who fit that description, but they are one end of a continuum. At the other end are those women who absolutely will not, ever, willingly participate in an abortion regardless of the circumstances. There's a lot of ignorance, folly, malice, greed, coercion and deception in the middle. There's also a lot of truth, wisdom, compassion, prayer, and material help combating the evil. It's a spiritual battleground. Unfortunately, some folks don't understand it.

35 posted on 09/14/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; laweeks; trisham; don-o
You'd be amazed to what extent the Entity who is the "Liar and the Father of lies, and a Murderer from the beginning" relies on deception rather than naked malice to get the killing done.

A friend, a University medical ethicist in the UK --- pro-life --- reports himself to be in a vanishingly small minority. If you can "con" the elite end-product of Western Civilization, the ones with a refined, Great Books Oxbridge education, you can certainly "con" a 20-something whose spiritual formation consists of TV, the public school and the Mall: there she is, with her positive pregnancy test and her head full of putty.

One of the abortionists here in upper east TN is a member of a local Christian church --- deacon or elder or something like that --- a good friend of the mayor, the (Republican) representative in the TN legislative district, and the chief of police.

The pregnant girls whose boyfriend drop them off at this guy's office --- they may know they're in the wrong. Maybe their blood tells them. But they're surrounded by a whole lying community --- the elders, the authority figures --- who say everything's fine.

Everything's just goddamn fine and dandy.

36 posted on 09/14/2012 11:17:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“Murder most foul, as in the best it is, but this most foul, strange, and unnatural.”)
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To: ArrogantBustard; laweeks; wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o
The idea that every woman or girl who committed an abortion must have done so with careful premeditation, malice aforethought, and full knowledge of the facts, is not uncommon amongst pro-life folks. After all, I know all this stuff ... therefore everybody else must know it, too.

There certainly are abortion-minded women who fit that description, but they are one end of a continuum. At the other end are those women who absolutely will not, ever, willingly participate in an abortion regardless of the circumstances. There's a lot of ignorance, folly, malice, greed, coercion and deception in the middle. There's also a lot of truth, wisdom, compassion, prayer, and material help combating the evil. It's a spiritual battleground. Unfortunately, some folks don't understand it.

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Exactly right.

37 posted on 09/14/2012 1:02:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; laweeks; wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o
There's another truth that gets me in trouble with some folks, but the statisticians amongst us will back me up on this:

Half the population is below average.

Technically, that's the "median" of the distribution, not the "mean" or the "mode".

38 posted on 09/14/2012 1:24:40 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; laweeks; Mrs. Don-o; All
There's another truth that gets me in trouble with some folks, but the statisticians amongst us will back me up on this: Half the population is below average.

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Yes, excellent point. Imagine a teenage girl (or even older) with an I.Q. of 90 who may not even really grasp how she became pregnant, and having adults in authority, and possibly her parents and boy friend telling her that abortion is the correct thing to do. Someone has to be on the side of that girl and her baby, because being against her may not do anything but scare her.

39 posted on 09/14/2012 1:47:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: laweeks

they conned the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, jr into having one when she was young.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/howcandreamsurvive.htm


40 posted on 09/22/2012 11:58:24 PM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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