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Despite Threats, No Marines Guarded U.S. Consulate In Libya
Breitbart.com ^ | September 12, 2012 | John Nolte

Posted on 09/13/2012 5:36:38 AM PDT by Daffynition

On a target date like the eleventh anniversary of 9/11, it is quite the jaw-dropping revelation to learn that there were no Marines guarding the U. S. consulate where Chris Stevens, our ambassador to Libya, was brutally murdered yesterday:

Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.

A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.

A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.

The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chrisstevens; libya
The media will never demand answers for this horrifying news, but hopefully a Congressional investigation will.
1 posted on 09/13/2012 5:36:43 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

they would have been armed with spitwads.Barry would see to that.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 5:37:49 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Daffynition

A former SEAL who was working for the CIA was one of the “staffers” who was killed. He went down shooting is what I have heard.

(Interesting factoid: in its entire history since 1962, no SEAL has ever been captured alive. Ponder on that.)


3 posted on 09/13/2012 5:40:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TurboZamboni
Y'know ... I can't understand why Chris didn't have or have access to, guns.

If I role play, and I'm sitting at my desk and it sure looks ugly out there, I'm going to entertain the thought I may never see my wife again in a matter of minutes or hours.

And if I DO have those thoughts, I want to be able to make my last stand, KNOWING these animals are going to do horrible things to my dead body and flash the pictures all ove the world.

Yessir .. I want at least a 1911 at the ready with a shitload of ammo

4 posted on 09/13/2012 5:42:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Travis McGee

“My fellow Americans, I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw al-Qaeda forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”

[I can dream, can’t I?]


5 posted on 09/13/2012 5:43:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, they wouldn’t have been allowed to return fire without permission, and permission would have taken 48 hours...


6 posted on 09/13/2012 5:45:40 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: TurboZamboni

This whole situation has me so incensed...I have no words. It was totally avoidable.

I hope Romney’s handlers use this gift that has fallen into their laps effectively.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 5:49:15 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: Daffynition
The media will never demand answers for this horrifying news, but hopefully a Congressional investigation will.

Indeed.

I searched yesterday for anything concerning this issue but turned up nothing. "WHERE WERE THE MARINES?" was the obvious question that should have been asked by the Pravda Press. It wasn't asked and it won't be.

8 posted on 09/13/2012 5:53:57 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: Travis McGee

Wow. I didn’t know that.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 5:58:23 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: Daffynition
no Marines guarding the U. S. consulate

This had to be a decision by someone, somewhere, that will never be held accountable. When I was stationed in Munich, 40 years ago, there were Marines stationed at the Consulate.

10 posted on 09/13/2012 6:14:24 AM PDT by radioone ( Main Stream Media. The Government built that.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

It’s no wonder that the enemy feels emboldened. They no longer feel threatened nor fear rapid reprisal. We need another 1LT Presley O’Bannon, the Hero of Derna, a man with steel in his spine at the helm of our ship of state.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 6:18:43 AM PDT by Ax
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To: knarf

For God’s sake, he was from SF and graduated from Berkeley! What are the odds that he had ever held a firearm in his hands?

You’re thinking like some guy from flyover country clinging to God and guns.

We are different, I don’t have to see something ugly outside to have a Glock mod 30 on my person, it’s an accessory, like my wedding ring, I wear it everywhere.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 6:23:05 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Daffynition
This should be the biggest story of all. The Consulate had no bulletproof glass or even windows coated with mylar. They had what amounted to a simple lock and key operation that one would find in an office or home. It was unsecured.

"Benghazi residents said the consulate never had a major security presence, and lawmakers in Washington described it as a “temporary” facility that did not meet the latest State Department security requirements and was scheduled to be replaced. U.S. military officials said it was not guarded by U.S. Marines, as are most embassies and many consulates."

"There had been signs of a threat earlier. On June 5, a bomb exploded outside the gates of the consulate in the first attack on an American facility since the fall of Gaddafi. No one was injured."

"A jihadist group calling itself “Brigades of Imprisoned Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman” claimed responsibility, according to the Site monitoring service. The group posted a message on jihadist forums saying the attack was a response to the drone strike that killed Libi in Pakistan on June 4. The group is named after the blind Egyptian sheik who is serving a life sentence for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing."

"On June 10, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador. The assailants used rocket-propelled grenades to attack the convoy as it was pulling out of the British Consulate.

"Militants also have been blamed for attacks on the Tunisian Consulate in Benghazi and on the International Committee of the Red Cross in Libya."

If we had a real MSM in this country, the question would be, "Why did we put Americans at risk in such an unprotected facility given the conditions in Libya and previous recent attacks in Benghazi against the consulate and British interests. This needs to be investigated immediately.

13 posted on 09/13/2012 6:33:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: radioone

sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.

..... my son spent 6 months on thw antiterroism Marines when they opened up Kabul in Afghanistan. They better bring a lot more support or we’re looking like Lwbanon.


14 posted on 09/13/2012 6:34:17 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: kabar

“It’s okay! We’re Americans!” - Chevy Chase, Spies Like Us


15 posted on 09/13/2012 6:35:04 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Daffynition

THE MSM is complicit.

Obama gave a speech in Arabic just before the attacks
and murders.
THE MSM is complicit.

Directions?
Green Light?
Promises for money upon ‘Mission Accomplished’.
THE MSM is complicit.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 8:37:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: InterceptPoint

Unacceptable. I want heads. I want responsibility for this failure laid on doorsteps.

Rest the souls who endured this atrocity.


18 posted on 09/13/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: Grampa Dave

Excellent sequence Grandpa Dave. Thank you. It gives me some solace that there are people out there who see what is really going on. Thank you.

Hussein can’t be concerned about embassy workers killed. Just concerned for contraceptives for college students.

That Romney is to blame. ///sarc

If this doesn’t disqualify him for a second term, nothing will.


19 posted on 09/13/2012 9:56:52 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: Daffynition

No Marines in Libya, in Egypt, no ammo. What the hell were these folks supposed to do? Use harsh language?

God, what have we got, President Gorman?


20 posted on 09/13/2012 9:57:15 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: kabar

I think the biggest story is Barry going to sleep while the ambassador was MIA. Then there is the failed rescue mission that was apparently lead by the Libyans with only a handful of US Marines riding shotgun. WTF!!!


21 posted on 09/13/2012 9:58:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Daffynition

Just for a little clarification here,

As a standard practice, Marine Security Guards guard embassies. They do not usually guard consultates so this really is not unusual. Perhaps a question should be asked if Stevens was in fear of his life, why did he not make his way back to the embassy? If we want Marines to be guarding every consulate out there as well as embassies, we better get ready to enlarge the Marine Security Forces exponentially.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 9:59:17 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Braak

Just wait. They’ll blame the lack of security on the dead Ambassador. He’ll be in no position to refute the lies. Will the gutless Republican Congress do anything to force answers to the questions being asked here on FR?


23 posted on 09/13/2012 10:02:35 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: Braak
"No Marines in Libya, in Egypt, no ammo."

There were Marines in Libya. At the embassy in Tripoli. Marine Security forces guard embassies, not consulates. However, if this news item about Egypt and the MSG Marines were not allowed to carry live rounds turns out to be true, that's a firestorm waiting to happen. Beirut all over again...
24 posted on 09/13/2012 10:03:22 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Well, we *better* get ready, eh?

Americans will be sacrificed. For what? A spineless, gutless metrosexual effete narcissist.


25 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:55 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: Travis McGee
A former SEAL...

No such thing (and you should know better).

26 posted on 09/13/2012 10:07:51 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Daffynition

One things for sure, the narcissist in chief better be asked questions why his Egyptian ambassador had a standing order for the Marines to go around unarmed. (if it’s indeed true). This wench should have been recalled after she put out that statement and then stood by it after the administration denounced it.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 10:09:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Thanks for the explanation. Something though, I think has to be done. If the report from Egypt is true (please god, don’t let it be!) then a real problem has set in over at State. Ambassadors either leaving the protection of their MSGs for reasons unknown or worse, not allowing those MSGs to do their jobs.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 10:10:47 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Looks as if the Marines sent in to help were *set-up*. When the dust settles...I hope heads will roll.
29 posted on 09/13/2012 10:13:27 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: InterceptPoint

check mypast posts, I kept asking yesterday where were the marines , were they told to stand down, did they have ammo?

All these questions I thought of right away and yet the obama media have not done any thing but attack Romney for speaking the truth


30 posted on 09/13/2012 10:45:55 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
As a standard practice, Marine Security Guards guard embassies. They do not usually guard consultates so this really is not unusual.

"standard practice" on the anniversary of 9/11 at a consulate in Libya?
Inexcusable!

31 posted on 09/13/2012 10:48:29 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Marine Security forces guard embassies, not consulates.

Not so. Many, if not most, of our consulates have MSGs.

32 posted on 09/13/2012 11:25:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Daffynition

Historically, in every security incident State Department has been found complicit. They never learn. More tea? Cookies?


33 posted on 09/13/2012 3:08:33 PM PDT by Rapscallion (A successful Obama will be a tyrant over America.)
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To: Rapscallion

USS Liberty version 2.

US government stands down while our military is attacked. Even the term “USS Liberty” still makes some arrogant governmental traitors butt cheeks clinch because 34 Americans were slaughtered and 170 wounded and our government (both led by traitorous owned Democrats) did nothing and no one cared. This is about our own government leadership and their complete and abject failure to hold accountable our attackers once again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

A similar line will be published in Wikipedia for this entire Libyan boondoggle setup.


34 posted on 09/13/2012 5:32:52 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Jean S
""standard practice" on the anniversary of 9/11 at a consulate in Libya?"

Now it's starting to sound like they had credible evidence that there would be a problem. All the embassies and consulates should have been beefed up with security if this is true. On 9/11, I don't think the ambassador should have been away from the embassy.
35 posted on 09/14/2012 4:14:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: kabar
"Many, if not most, of our consulates have MSGs."

Some do, but not all of them. It should not be assumed that this one had MSGs which is what everyone is doing. We have little information about this consulate. Who knows how big it even was.

What's more disturbing to me is this Egyptian ambassador who supposedly had a standing order that the Marines were not to have loaded weapons. Seriously? You have crazies trying to break into the compound and you're not going to be locked and loaded? I'll bet they are now.
36 posted on 09/14/2012 4:18:15 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Some do, but not all of them. It should not be assumed that this one had MSGs which is what everyone is doing. We have little information about this consulate. Who knows how big it even was.

Most do. Here is a list of the MSG detachment posts around the world

We do know that the consulate was in an interim facility and lacked proper security. And that about 25 members were evacuated from the consulate. Amb Stevens was just visiting the consulate accompanied by a US personal protection detail. Here is a fairly comprehensive article on the attack on the consulate and the events surrounding it.

What's more disturbing to me is this Egyptian ambassador who supposedly had a standing order that the Marines were not to have loaded weapons. Seriously? You have crazies trying to break into the compound and you're not going to be locked and loaded? I'll bet they are now.

The Pentagon has denied that was the case. FYI: The US Ambassador, Anne Patterson, was not at the Embassy during these events. She was in Washington DC.

37 posted on 09/14/2012 5:13:06 AM PDT by kabar
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38 posted on 09/14/2012 5:30:40 AM PDT by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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