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Comparing Republicans to Nazis Who Started it?
FrontPage Magazine ^ | September 13, 2012 | Larry Elder

Posted on 09/13/2012 5:39:56 AM PDT by SJackson

Maybe comparing Republicans to Nazis started with the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson presidential race.

Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater accepted an invitation to visit an American military installation located in Bavaria, Germany. On “CBS Evening News” hosted by Walter Cronkite, correspondent Daniel Schorr said: “It is now clear that Sen. Goldwater’s interview with Der Spiegel, with its hard line appealing to right-wing elements in Germany, was only the start of a move to link up with his opposite numbers in Germany.” The reaction shot — when the cameras returned to Cronkite — showed the “most trusted man in America” gravely shaking his head.

Or maybe it began when Goldwater accepted the Republican nomination, and Democratic California Gov. Pat Brown said the “stench of fascism is in the air.”

Or maybe the Republicans-as-fascists narrative really jump-started during the 1968 presidential campaign. For commentary at the political conventions that year, ABC hired left-wing pundit Gore Vidal and matched him with conservative pundit William F. Buckley. If the network was looking for fireworks, they were not disappointed. Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

More recently, former Vice President Al Gore said: “(George W. Bush’s) executive branch has made it a practice to try and control and intimidate news organizations, from PBS to CBS to Newsweek. … And every day, they unleash squadrons of digital brownshirts to harass and hector any journalist who is critical of the president.”

Entertainer and liberal activist Harry Belafonte, when asked whether the number and prominence of blacks in the Bush administration suggested a lack of racism, said, “Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich.”

Then-NAACP Chairman Julian Bond pulled out the Nazi card in 2004 while criticizing congressional Republicans and the White House: “They preach racial equality but practice racial division. … Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side.”

Bond later clarified whom he meant by “they.” Speaking at historically black Fayetteville State University in North Carolina in 2006, Bond said, “The Republican Party would have the American flag and the swastika flying side by side.”

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who dared to rein in excessive public employee compensation packages, received the full Nazi treatment.

The hard-left blog Libcom.org wrote: “Scott Walker is a fascist, perhaps not in the classical sense since he doesn’t operate in the streets, but a fascist nonetheless. … He is a fascist, for his program takes immediate and direct aim at (a sector of) the working class …”

This brings us to the recently concluded Republican National Convention. California Democratic Party Chairman John Burton offered this analysis: “(Republicans) lie, and they don’t care if people think they lie. As long as you lie, (Nazi propaganda minister) Joseph Goebbels — the big lie — you keep repeating it.”

In dismissing Republicans’ concern over the possibility of voter fraud, Pat Lehman, a leading member of the Kansas delegation, told The Wichita Eagle: “It’s like Hitler said, if you’re going to tell a lie, tell a big lie, and if you tell it often enough and say it in a loud enough voice, some people are going to believe you.”

Next up, we have the chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party. Dick Harpootlian compared the state’s Republican governor to Hitler’s mistress. When told that the Republicans were holding a competing press conference at a NASCAR Hall of Fame basement studio, Harpootlian told the South Carolina delegation: “(Gov. Nikki Haley) was down in the bunker, a la Eva Braun.”

How casually Democrats make Hitler-Nazi-fascist references to demean their political opponents is astonishing. By calling political opponents “fascists” because of policy disagreements, Democrats trivialize a regime responsible for exterminating 6 million Jews in a war that resulted in the deaths of over 50 million people.

Where does this cavalier Nazi talk take us?

In 1994, schoolteachers in Oakland, Calif., took 70 mostly black high school students to see “Schindler’s List.” Some of the kids began laughing during a scene where a Jewish woman was mercilessly killed. In a Los Angeles Times opinion piece called “Why Would Anyone Laugh at ‘Schindler’s List’?” a theater employee wrote: “A three-hour-plus film in black and white about the Holocaust may not be everyone’s choice, but those who decide to view it must be prepared and understand. I find it hard to believe kids today are so desensitized to violence that when they see the strange convulsions of someone who’s been shot, their first instinct is to laugh. If one of their friends was gunned down on the way home, would they stand there and burst into laughter at the way he/she died?”

This Oakland students/”Schindler’s List” disconnect is aided and abetted by leftists like Gore, Bond and Burton who shout words like “Nazi” or “fascist” or “Hitler” at conservatives.

And, no, it appears they have no shame.


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1 posted on 09/13/2012 5:40:00 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 09/13/2012 5:41:06 AM PDT by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson

Commies have been calling the right wing Nazis since Hitler turned against the Soviet Union.


3 posted on 09/13/2012 5:42:36 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: vanilla swirl

Commies have been calling the right wing Nazis since Hitler turned against the Soviet Union.
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Bingo!


4 posted on 09/13/2012 5:43:28 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: SJackson
‘Nazi’ is the most horrid anathema that Liberals can fathom so it's their immediate and preferred insult to cast in the face of all their opponents ....as they support the Iranian nut job leader who denies that the holocaust even took place.

....Hmmmm...? Maybe their failure to comprehend history is showing.

5 posted on 09/13/2012 5:46:31 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SJackson
Who Started it? Daniel Schorr did. CBS executives were not amused when Schorr reported—incorrectly—that Barry Goldwater was said to "travel to Germany to join-up with the right-wing there", and visit "Hitler's one-time stomping ground" in Berchtesgaden, immediately after he became the Republican nominee for president[citation needed]. For obvious reasons, this did not fare well with Goldwater, who demanded an apology for the "CBS conspiracy" against his campaign for president.[4] In the 1980's - Danile Schorr spoke at my college. A member of the young repubs asked him to apologize for his unfair charachterization of Goldwater - the kid was booed by professors alike. I wasn't a member of any organization - I was allowed to ask a question but instead stated that maybe if he didn't characherize Goldwater in sucha way, the trend of political discourse in this country wouldn't have travelled to such a low road. My history prof's told me I was out of line and should not have ruffled the Great Mr. Schorr. What a Hack!
6 posted on 09/13/2012 5:49:13 AM PDT by hkusp40
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To: SMARTY
‘Nazi’ is the most horrid anathema that Liberals can fathom...

I thought it was either "hater" or "homophobe".

7 posted on 09/13/2012 5:56:53 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SJackson

It should be the other way around. The acronym does stand for the national socialist workers party (a/k/a union drones) - or something like that.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 5:58:25 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: DuncanWaring; SMARTY

——I thought it was either “hater” or “homophobe”.——

Remember if you will that the Rats are not homogeneous. Homphpobe is favored by queers, racist is favored by Amish, hater is favored by teachers.

Nazi is a generic that all can use


9 posted on 09/13/2012 6:00:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: vanilla swirl; SJackson
Commies have been calling the right wing Nazis since Hitler turned against the Soviet Union.

And (amazingly) they could do it honestly (sort of). For despite the obvious historical fact of the common origins, collinear means, and even outright alliance, "popular front" national socialists were to the right of the communist international, only barely.

Absurd as it may be, anyone to the right of them is therefore "right wing" and therefore a NAZI. It just shows how out to lunch they really are. That they get away with it is one of the great propaganda achievements of the 20th Century.

10 posted on 09/13/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: SJackson

The actual NAZI supporters in the U.S. were Democrats.

i.e. ole Joe Kennedy


11 posted on 09/13/2012 6:05:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SJackson

National Socialists party that persecuted Christians and Jews.

Segments of the American media at the time was sympathetic to the Third Reich.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 6:09:28 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: vanilla swirl

Commies have been calling the right wing Nazis since Hitler turned against the Soviet Union.

13 posted on 09/13/2012 6:13:28 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: SJackson
Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Well, we know who had the brass ones in this exchange!

14 posted on 09/13/2012 6:17:28 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: SJackson; All
That's why I deny that freaking circular political "map" used to illustrate the various political philosophies.

The socialist educators use it as a tool to make socialism look moderate and benign. They try to tell you that if you go far enough around the circle, to the right, you will encounter Nazism, and they are just as bad as the extreme communists on the left.

The straight line, left-to-right graph tells the story pretty well:
Total authoritarians and oppressive entities on the left.....American Conservatives on the right and genuine no-government anarchists on the extreme right.

15 posted on 09/13/2012 6:22:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: vanilla swirl

So we should just call them Commies and be prepared to counter the inevitable McCarthyism whine. Indeed, we should rehabilitate the name of Joe McCarthy who was a true patriot.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 6:24:34 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Carry_Okie
"popular front" national socialists were to the right of the communist international

Please help me understand.
In what way are the nazis to the "right" of the communists?

From where I stand, it seems they are two branches of the same...well, branch.

17 posted on 09/13/2012 6:38:07 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: SJackson

Harry Belafonte is not a “liberal activist” - unless by “liberal activist” you mean fervent supporter of Fidel Castro who does fundraising for him and sponsors events in Cuba to attract U.S. celebrities.


18 posted on 09/13/2012 6:44:45 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SJackson

The Democrats are like Charles Manson.

He wanted to spark a revolution of the underclass while he ran to a safe enclave. When the destruction was complete, he would emerge and, being the only one smart enough left, would take over and rule, along with his hand-picked czars -er, I mean group members.


19 posted on 09/13/2012 6:46:32 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: stormhill
In what way are the nazis to the "right" of the communists?

National socialists believe in the existence of distinct nations. The internationalists did not, preferring a global socialist system. The German Nazis maintained the nominal pretense of private property, albeit under total government control. The international communists preferred total government control of all property. While it is not much of a distinction, it is a difference.

20 posted on 09/13/2012 6:59:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: SJackson
Who said words have meaning?

We really need to stop using the German acronym for the National Socialist German Worker Party...aka ... NAZI...and call a National Socialist a National Socialist

21 posted on 09/13/2012 7:01:57 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Carry_Okie
While you might claim that Nazis believed in the existence of distinct nations and Communists believed in a global socialist system, the fact remains that Nazis attempted to spread their system across national boundries much like the Communists. Further while the communist collective was more successful they did maintain national borders of their member states. In effect it's a stated difference that never existed in reality. In practice they were exactly the same.

Nazis also stated that they believed in private property and private business while communists belived in common ownership of the means of production. In practice the government completely controlled both. Again it is stated difference that never existed in reality.

When the stated differences never actually existed except in arguements between dedicated ideologues can you really call them differences never mind distinctions?

22 posted on 09/13/2012 7:20:24 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Inwoodian

“S o we should just call them Commies and be prepared to counter the inevitable McCarthyism whine. Indeed,we should rehabilitate the name of Joe McCarthy who was a true patriot.”

You are correct!


23 posted on 09/13/2012 7:21:03 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: stormhill

Nazis went for control without ownership. Communists wanted both control and ownership. The difference between them amounts to a Nat’s backside.


24 posted on 09/13/2012 8:25:47 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Durus
While you might claim that Nazis believed in the existence of distinct nations and Communists believed in a global socialist system, the fact remains that Nazis attempted to spread their system across national boundries much like the Communists.

That is hardly true. It is more like the colonial powers from which they grew. Think of the Napoleonic, British, and Russian empires.

Further while the communist collective was more successful they did maintain national borders of their member states. In effect it's a stated difference that never existed in reality. In practice they were exactly the same.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Nazis also stated that they believed in private property and private business while communists belived in common ownership of the means of production.

They weren't running around the countryside rounding up farmers and assigning them to government housing and collective farms. There was no German analogue to the Kulaks.

When the stated differences never actually existed except in arguements between dedicated ideologues can you really call them differences never mind distinctions?

Tautological hand-wave.

25 posted on 09/13/2012 8:53:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: SJackson; dfwgator; CaptainAmiigaf; Netz; Blennos; kabumpo; wta; Ezekiel; LRoggy; Bluestocking; ...
Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater accepted an invitation to visit an American military installation located in Bavaria, Germany. On “CBS Evening News” hosted by Walter Cronkite, correspondent Daniel Schorr said: “It is now clear that Sen. Goldwater’s interview with Der Spiegel, with its hard line appealing to right-wing elements in Germany, was only the start of a move to link up with his opposite numbers in Germany.” The reaction shot — when the cameras returned to Cronkite — showed the “most trusted man in America” gravely shaking his head.

Trying to link Barry Goldwater, of all people, to Nazism merely demonstrates just how ignorant or deliberately deceptive these MSM leftists were at the time (and still are). There is no way the Nazis or neo-Nazis could have had any common ground with him.

Barry Goldwater had a Jewish father. According to Nazi doctrine, Goldwater was as much a target for extermination as any Jew in the world they might have contact with. If Goldwater had been unfortunate enough to have been in Europe in the late 1930s, chances are he would not have survived the Nazi Holocaust.

26 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:39 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

The same thing happened when Reagan went to Bitburg.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 10:06:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: SJackson
Comparing Republicans to Nazis — Who Started it?

The Nazis, they invaded Poland.

28 posted on 09/13/2012 10:07:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: SJackson
[Article] Or maybe it began when Goldwater accepted the Republican nomination, and Democratic California Gov. Pat Brown said the “stench of fascism is in the air.”

Nelson Rockefeller, who ran second in the primaries and came to the Cow Palace convention with insufficient delegates to stop Goldwater, was offered the consolation prize of a minority statement on the Party platform, by the Platform Committee. They gave Rockefeller a primo time slot, 8 pm CDT iirc (this is all related by Theodore White in The Making of the President 1964), and Rockefeller proceeded to lambaste the majority delegates up and down, causing a wave of boos and catcalls to rise from the AuH2O army of delegates. Then Rocky really went after them and called them "fascists" and "Nazis", with all of America watching. Talk about negative advance -- Rockefeller pretty much handed the election to LBJ right there, by using so much of his prestige to smear Goldwater because Goldwater's Rove, F. Clifton White (we need him today!) would not play nice with Rockefeller and offer him the VP slot or a dozen cabinet seats or anything like that. Cliff White played with Rockefeller like the RiNO's and Me-Too'ers had always played with the Mugwumps, the Bull Moosers, and the Bob Taft "Main Street" Republicans -- so Rockefeller called them all Nazis on national TV.

29 posted on 09/13/2012 10:45:14 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Inwoodian
...we should rehabilitate the name of Joe McCarthy who was a true patriot.

Bump. Both Bill Buckley (without Venona) and Ann Coulter (with Venona available) have had a go -- the MSM refuse to budge, and they abuse McCarthy and the conservative du jour every day, by resurrecting their old anti-McCarthy, pro-Communist smear.

30 posted on 09/13/2012 10:48:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: dfwgator; 17th Miss Regt; Reagan Republican; reaganaut1; ronnie raygun; Sarah Barracuda; ...
The same thing happened when Reagan went to Bitburg.

That's a little different, though equally stupid on the part of the MSM. I specifically remember, watching the proceedings from Bitburg on TV, that Reagan deliberately changed the direction of his walk so that his rear end faced the Nazi-era graves.

31 posted on 09/13/2012 10:55:28 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: MissMagnolia
Well, we know who had the brass ones in this exchange!

We also know who's crackling in Hell and ready with his new book, Flaming Faggot: Crisper Than Pork Rinds.

32 posted on 09/13/2012 10:55:51 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

The definitive McCarthy opus to which Coulter gave credit is “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans. A tour de force.


33 posted on 09/13/2012 11:09:35 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: lentulusgracchus

The definitive McCarthy opus to which Coulter gave credit is “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans. A tour de force.


34 posted on 09/13/2012 11:10:08 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: SJackson

Or maybe the Republicans-as-fascists narrative really jump-started during the 1968 presidential campaign. For commentary at the political conventions that year, ABC hired left-wing pundit Gore Vidal and matched him with conservative pundit William F. Buckley. If the network was looking for fireworks, they were not disappointed. Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Calling Buckley a Nazi, that’s one thing. But calling Vidal a queer, now that’s a personal attack./sarc

I almost wished he did sock him. Buckley was famously even-tempered and able to beat people with facts and reasoning, but it looks like Vidal crossed a line.

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Entertainer and liberal activist Harry Belafonte, when asked whether the number and prominence of blacks in the Bush administration suggested a lack of racism, said, “Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich.”

Belafonte was an out and out communist, card-carrying member, I believe. And completely ignorant of history.


35 posted on 09/13/2012 11:15:47 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SJackson

Or maybe the Republicans-as-fascists narrative really jump-started during the 1968 presidential campaign. For commentary at the political conventions that year, ABC hired left-wing pundit Gore Vidal and matched him with conservative pundit William F. Buckley. If the network was looking for fireworks, they were not disappointed. Quarreling with Buckley over the impact of anti-Vietnam War dissidents, Gore called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi.” Incensed, Buckley fired back: “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi, or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Calling Buckley a Nazi, that’s one thing. But calling Vidal a queer, now that’s a personal attack./sarc

I almost wished he did sock him. Buckley was famously even-tempered and able to beat people with facts and reasoning, but it looks like Vidal crossed a line.

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Entertainer and liberal activist Harry Belafonte, when asked whether the number and prominence of blacks in the Bush administration suggested a lack of racism, said, “Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich.”

Belafonte was an out and out communist, card-carrying member, I believe. And completely ignorant of history.


36 posted on 09/13/2012 11:17:46 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Carry_Okie
That is hardly true. It is more like the colonial powers from which they grew. Think of the Napoleonic, British, and Russian empires.

It is factually true or did you miss the Nazi invasions? Do you claim that Russia didn't do exactly the same thing? We do not need to compare them to their precursors to see exactly what they did. They attempted to spread their ideology by force. Of course a reasonable person knows that their ideology was simply a rationale for them to impose tyranny over the masses, but that is beside the point.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Of course they do...they say the same thing of every communist failure but the facts have a way of intruding upon their utopian ideals. The USSR was "THE" communist ideal until the truth started to leak out.

They weren't running around the countryside rounding up farmers and assigning them to government housing and collective farms. There was no German analogue to the Kulaks.

Ignoring the jewish farmers that were rounded up and assigned to "government housing" I assume? I guess you don't consider nazi concentration camps being similar to russians starving their peasents?

Tautological hand-wave.

Please. The differences you put forward were never in practice. They are theoretical differences according to the ideologues of said political systems. Are you suggesting that because Nazis and Communists claim that there are differences in their respective systems, that these differences don't have to actually exist in practice for them to be considered actuall differences?

37 posted on 09/13/2012 11:19:03 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: justiceseeker93

I remember the 1964 election, and I also remember that Goldwater and his running mate, Bill Miller, were being compared to nazis.


38 posted on 09/13/2012 11:52:10 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Durus
You are still confusing the international with Russia. Communists the world over considered the Soviet Union a failure, an aberration of Marx. It was one of Gramsci's reasons for proposing cultural Marxism. So for you to equate Marxism with national socialism because the Soviets behaved like imperialists for the last 250 years is fallacious.

You are confusing the international with the Russians, which they regard as an aberration of communism.

Of course they do...they say the same thing of every communist failure but the facts have a way of intruding upon their utopian ideals. The USSR was "THE" communist ideal until the truth started to leak out.

You are mixing "theys" again.

What you say may be true of the American media, but not in the international. It was known within three to five years that Russia had failed the ideal. It was Gramsci's objective to preclude a repeat.

Ignoring the jewish farmers that were rounded up and assigned to "government housing" I assume?

I had family who died in those camps, asshole. This only proves how low you'll stoop to "win" a debate. Socializing all agricultural land to control the nation's food supply and starve all opposition is different than rounding up a particular group for their religion or race. One is a matter of ideology. The other purely for purposes of extermination, the true motives for which you don't have a clue unless you are hip to Sabbateans. Deal with it.

I guess you don't consider nazi concentration camps being similar to russians starving their peasents?

No, I don't. Just because they were both murderous and tyrannical does not make them the same, principally because the ideological justifications are radically at odds. German lands were not collectivized. It's a major difference between fascism and communism. Deal with it.

Please. The differences you put forward were never in practice.

So after discounting the difference between collectivizing and murdering 22 million peasants because they were landowners (regardless of religion) and rounding up largely urban Jews pretending that Jewish farmers were somehow numerous when socializing land ownership was never a major element of German policy, you paper over the difference.

That's what I mean by hand wave. It's dishonest and despicable. It shows you'll stoop to anything to what you believe is your advantage, making you no better than the people you supposedly hate. I won't bother with you further.

39 posted on 09/13/2012 1:26:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: SJackson

It’s actually worse than what Elder says.

Nazism is far left ideological identity politics. People like Harpootlian, Al Gore, Cronkite, and their ilk should do some homework and find out what the NSDAP really stood for.


40 posted on 09/13/2012 1:36:42 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Carry_Okie; Durus; ml/nj; Red Steel; All
National socialists believe in the existence of distinct nations. The internationalists did not, preferring a global socialist system.

Not exactly. National Socialists (Nazis) sometimes absorbed the nations they conquered (e.g., Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland) directly into the Reich so they were ruled by Germans. However, there were some satellites (e.g., Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Vichy France) that were ruled by locals subserviant to their German overlords.

Communists (Marxists) may have have been "internationalists" at first but then developed the super nation-state of the Soviet Union by absorbing quite a number of smaller nations into Russia. The Eastern European satellite communist nations were governed by local communists who maintained their national identity, but were succeptable to Soviet military invasion when local communist hegemony was threatened (e.g., Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in the "Prague Spring", 1968).

41 posted on 09/13/2012 2:18:45 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Inwoodian
The definitive McCarthy opus to which Coulter gave credit is “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans. A tour de force.

Yes, I read it and still have a copy. It might still be available through the Conservative Book Club.

42 posted on 09/13/2012 2:29:46 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SJackson
Goes back at least as far as the 1950s.

Some German emigre intellectuals saw Eisenhower as Hindenburg or McCarthy as Hitler, which was silly, since many of those intellectuals had real affinities with totalitarian thinking themselves.

American liberals didn't go that far until the 60s and 70s. By the Nixon era, it was quite common, with swastikas forming the "x" in his name on posters.

43 posted on 09/13/2012 2:34:52 PM PDT by x
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To: sauropod
People like Harpootlian, Al Gore, Cronkite, and their ilk should do some homework and find out what the NSDAP really stood for.

Cronkite won't do any more homework, I'm afraid. He died a few years ago.

Sorry, never heard of Harpootlian. Who is he?

44 posted on 09/13/2012 2:36:15 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Communists (Marxists) may have have been "internationalists" at first but then developed the super nation-state of the Soviet Union by absorbing quite a number of smaller nations into Russia.

Again, I'm not talking about Communists (of which you might as well include the Spanish Communist Party of 1933) but the communist international which sponsored and supported the Russian Revolution, but recoiled when it went bad. The latter, the international, was a cadre of intellectuals, principally German and Polish, that grew out of the Bund der Gerechten, then the Spartakusbund, and then the Frankfurt School, which relocated to the United States in the 1930s. Both Cultural Marxism and Critical Theory as promulgated in this country owe their origins to that political heritage.

Note that this confusion (and possibly a deliberate one) existed well before World War II. Here is a little quote written in 1938 from Homage to Catalonia, by George Orwell:

In reality, it was the Communists above all others who prevented revolution in Spain. Later, when the Right Wing forces were in full control, the Communists showed themselves willing to go a great deal further than the Liberals in hunting down revolutionary leaders.

[Snip]

Between the Communists and those who claim to stand to the Left of them there is a real difference. The Communists hold that Fascism can be beaten by alliance with sections of the capitalist class (the Popular Front); their opponents hold that this maneuver simply gives Fascism new breeding-grounds. The question has got to be settled; to make the wrong decision may be to land ourselves in for centuries of semi-slavery.

Orwell understood and acknowledged that difference between the anarchists (communists) he had joined and the Spanish Communist Party, a Stalinist group. He draws the distinction because the former are the originators of the ideology that binds popular support to the dictators that have arisen therefrom. They are the source of "the beautiful lie" that gains Marxism its popular support, not just among the foot-soldiers of the movement, but among the theorists and apparatchiks seeking a piece of the action.

Do not underestimate the importance of the distinction. For it is the ideology of a society without landed gentry that is so attractive to the dispossessed. Hence, the difference between fascism ("you can (supposedly) keep your land" and communism ("socialize and redistribute all land from the get-go") is an important one, not only for the demographics to which they respectively appeal, but in how they express their respective dysfunctions. They are not both necessarily and inherently tyrannical, as we have seen reversal from fascism without catastrophic consequences. Here.

In many ways, the USA of the 1930s had become as fascist as the nations we were fighting. Certainly Roosevelt's control of the economy to supply the war was very nearly of that character. Yet the distinction I maintain between fascism and communism, that people still lived on the land of their fathers, is a powerful one, and a factor that played an important role in bringing us back from the brink of fascism as the War faded into memory, a memory hole we are at serious risk of revisiting today. Yet at no time was American fascism even close to its NAZI, much less Soviet parallels. It is the graduation of those difference upon which I argue their existence.

One can certainly draw parallels, but simply because America's WWII economy bore many resemblances to the NAZI system, does not mean that the latter was functionally equivalent to the Soviet State. And yes, I have seen the NAZI medallions depicting Karl Marx. I have read the quotes of parallelism from pre-War German sources, and I attribute much of that ideological affinity to political expediency, which is why it so easily evaporated the moment Hitler thought it useful to his ambitions.

45 posted on 09/13/2012 2:51:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: sauropod

See above.


46 posted on 09/13/2012 2:52:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93.


47 posted on 09/13/2012 3:15:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: x
Interesting. Given that Eisenhower was the Supreme Allied Commander who actually defeated the Nazis, it would seem that by process of elimination, the earliest Republican presidential candidate who could be compared to Nazis would be after Eisenhower's term as president.

-PJ

48 posted on 09/13/2012 3:26:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: SJackson

Generally, blacks hate Jews. But both vote en bloc for left wing nut job Dems.

Go figure.

If American Jews anc Catholics help put O back in this year, then they better not come ask for my help when the jihad hits them.


49 posted on 09/13/2012 3:32:40 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The fascist FDR regime and the communists did in the 1940s.


50 posted on 09/13/2012 3:36:14 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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