Skip to comments.COMPLETE VETTING OF OBAMA: A CHALLENGE TO MSM
Posted on 09/13/2012 7:00:17 AM PDT by hoosiermama
Many conservative news people have talked about Obama NOT being vet the last election and it appears that even the authors looking into his history have neglected to thoroughly investigate one area.
The Clintons, like good magician assistance distracted with the help of lawyer, Phillip Berg Look over here! Look at his birth certificate! Those who attempted to look into that fact were ridiculed or ignored.
In an attempt to ignite research facts and questions follow. Where did the Dunham family get the money to travel? asked one blogger who listed many on the family trips to and through Asia.
Obama attended expensive school, if you believe the poor mother meme, he must have had a scholarship.
BUT, there is another possible answer. Many freepers have added the expertise and research to the following. Here are some of our findings and questions that have been spurred. Media, authors, fellow freepers use this missive as your jumping off point. It is a foundation to build on. Not a final product/
Lets look at Rolla Charles Payne, his maternal great-grandfather. He is said to be a bookkeeper by profession. (Do you believe his other great grandfather was a goat herder?) True, his 1917 military records show that he was a bookkeeper for a Tulsa Gas company. It has been said that he worked for Standard Oil, but isnt this the same time frame that Standard Oil was forced by the federal government to divide into many smaller companies and took man of their operations off shore?
On the other hand, when we looked for a Tulsa petroleum company, KaiserFrancis (the firm that owns a percentage of Solyndra/ check contributions?) appeared. It was in in its infancy in Tulsa.
Are they connected? Were they connected then? ..1969 George B. Kaiser took over Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., a small family oil firm founded in the 1940s by his uncle and parents, Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, who had settled in Oklahoma. Operations at the time were limited to Kansas. By 2004 the firm had over $600 million in revenues from oil and gas production...... (WSJ, 7/23/04, p.A1) .
The company was in operation and run by a brother and father before the 1940s. It operated entirely in Kansas, mostly drilling.
To believe he was a bookkeeper his entire life would be the equivalent of believing that Mitt Romneys father died a contractor. A bookkeeper is not the same as an agent, although both work with contracts and leases. If you google Payne several articles state he was a agent(at least they did when we did the research).
Several freepers informed me that agents wrote the contract/leases between the oil/gas company and the land owner for mineral rights. Several small parcels of land were often bundled together in one larger contact. This was during the depression. Money was scarce. It was not uncommon for the agent to take a small percentage of future income from the minerals extracted from the wells as delayed income. One freeper tells of a person he knew who, died a multi-millionaire, income was one tenth of one percent of producing wells drilled on the land he had arranged leases.
It is projected in one article that the family lived partly off of the income from wells on their own property. Research showed producing wells named: Stanley D and Stanley A. Are they connected?
Rolla Charles was upset when his oldest daughter eloped with Stanley A. Dunham. He was from the wrong side of the tracts. In other words: He didnt have money. The Paynes did.
Rolla Charles Payne died October 23, 1968. He was retired from an Eldorado Kansas Oil/Gas company. There is a museum in that town. You may want to visit it. It is a tribute to the industry. It may even contain information about Rolla Charles Payne.
Swisher-Taylor & Morris Funeral Home has the records of the Paynes deaths. Leona died on March 22, 1968, and Rolla on Oct. 22. The Courier published Leona's obituary on March 23, 1968, and Rolla's on Oct. 23, 1968
Paynes probate records should be available in the Court House at Augusta, Butler County, Kansas.
Now why is this important? Many of us have dealt with probate. Final distribution usually occurs a couple years after the death of the individual. Notation of family trust might also be in this courthouse.
Madelyn Payne Durham, the elder daughter, and Baracks grandmother, was not just a Vice President of the Hawaiian bank. She was head of the Escrow Department/Trust Department. If Rolla had not established a family trust at the time of his death to avoid probate, there are two reason why it may have been established at his death: Barack, Sr. and Lolo. Articles published in Africa said that Barack Sr. worked for an oil company, while a student in Hawaii. Hawaii has no oil or gas: Natural resources listed are gravel, lava stone and other building materials. Some found reports of SR. working in a pineapple field for a day. Marrying Stanley Ann and sharing in her assets is not working for an oil company, it is receiving profit from an oil company. Their divorce degree was eleven pages long. WHY? They shared no property, didnt even live together. What was so involved, and why did Stanley Anne want to make sure she was divorced, even though no record of their marriage has been found and Sr. was already married in Kenya.
.. After he left Hawaii (spending money touring the country; big talk in the bar in California; paying his brothers bills at an expensive private school etc.) implies that Sr. got money in June of 1962.
It is well documented that Lolo, Stanley Annes second husband, also worked for Standard Oil. Interesting?
Regardless, three years after Rolla Charles death, the family (including Sr. met in Hawaii. The meeting would be Christmas of 1971. Pictures document the visit and most assume the "family business" had something to do with custody of Barack Jr. It was after this pow-wow that Madelyn became Barrys legal guardian (Protecting his assets?). It was after this meeting that Barry was enrolled in the expensive school. It was at this time that the family moved into the penthouse apartment (twelfth floor). Was it at this time that final distribution and/or formation of the Madelyn Payne trust? (Noted in BHOs schedule E tax form on the WH website) was legalized?
Freeper attorneys say that , the reason you do a family trust is to avoid having the document of record anywhere and to avoid disclosing what you have in a probate proceeding".
From the Obama files:
Related: Obama received two inheritances from his grandmother, Madelyn. He made less than $1,000 from the sale of a tax-free trust. A second inheritance -- shares in the Bank of Hawaii where his grandmother rose from a secretary to a vice president -- sold for between $250,000 and $500,000. .
Note the tax free trust was sold, yet another trust is listed in his tax form schedule E, WH web site.
Freeper have wondered why his house in Chicago has an attorneys name listed as owner. If the house was purchased as an investment through the trust, isnt it likely to avoid paying capital gain taxes? BO would not want his name, but the trusted name of his lawyer as agent for the trust on the deed? Research the land: Was it located in the area that was going to be purchased and used for the Chicago Olympic? Good investment?
Profits from gas/oil would not sit pretty with his base. It could also be seen as a conflict of interest: Particularly when he denies the Canadian pipeline and closes drilling in the Gulf. Would these two actions be seen as influencing the value of his assets?
Other questions that have arisen concern Occidental. Is it coincidence that the School was founded by an oil family?
on his From 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) he listed the countries from which he derived income as various instead of actually listing the countries. (If you or I had done that, we would be getting a letter from the IRS wanting an explanation.) He complains that Romney has off shore accounts, but is not forthcoming on his own.
Thats the bait. Time to go fishing! What can freepers find? Which of the bloggers, media, authors, talking heads, will add to the research? Who will expose Barry? Is he really a Trust fund kid? Does he hate wealth, because hes wealthy? Why deny half of your heritage? Why hide it from your base?
Time to do a complete vetting of the President.
Check out article.
Good work, hoosiermama.
Thanks for the ping, LucyT.
Highly interesting, hoosiermama. Well done!
Pause this trailer at 9:19 and compare the side-by-side. That's the guy.
The likely truth about the history of "Obama" is beyond sordid. It is deeply disturbing and has profound implications for the health of our Republic.
Also recommend Paul Kengor's "The Communist" as a companion to the DVD.
There was a Payne involved with the formation of Standard Oil. BUT we were unable to find a link to Rolla Charles. You might want to take that research on as a project.
Sorry, should have said pause at 2:19
Don't confuse Occidental College with Occidental Petroleum -- no connection that I know of. The son of the college's founder did make money in oil, but that was long after the college had been established.
(Do you believe his other great grandfather was a goat herder?)
I kind of do. Or at least I don't think he got much higher in life than that.
Their divorce degree was eleven pages long. WHY? They shared no property, didnt even live together.
From what's available online it looks like most of that was legal boilerplate -- the standard technical gibberish of the legal profession.
What was so involved, and why did Stanley Anne want to make sure she was divorced, even though no record of their marriage has been found and Sr. was already married in Kenya.
Why does anybody want to be sure they're legally divorced? Is there anything so strange about that? Bigamy ring a bell?
There may have been a little oil money in the Payne-Dunham family. It might explain the family's circumstances later on, but if the fortune were really substantial, wouldn't Rolla and Leona have gotten out of El Dorado?
I would stick with the grades and stuff that actually says something about who Obama is.
You don't want to go down something like the "Bill Clinton: son of Winthrop Rockefeller" road. It was a dead end.
I would not be surprised at all if truth be to known that Rockerfeller in his revenge of the break up of the Standard Oil Company helped finance the Marxist commies in Russian and the downfall of their last Czar Nicholas II and bringing in the Revolution in 1917.
Calling BUTTERZILLION !
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This thread needs your attention.
Glad to be of service. ;-)
You did just fine! Thanks!
Does the media not realize that life as they know it will be over forever if their hero gets re-elected? WTH are they thinking?
Sorry, I do that all the time without IRS complaint.
It's a typical entry if you have foreign income from stock dividends, especially if you have several stocks in one account. For example, if I had a few shares of British American Tobacco and Nestles at a brokers, my tax return would just add up the dividends (and the taxes with-held, which is what a From 1116 is about), and list them as "various." Full documentation of what composes the "various" is already at the IRS in the form of a 1099 from the broker.
Thlank you for the information.
You're welcome. This guy is beyond dirty, but I see no sense in wasting time on avenues unlikely to yield further info. There's a lot of juicy stuff we already know and need to follow up on. Thanks for your effort in assembling the collection.
Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham (BHOs maternal grandmother):
The official story
Born on October 26, 1922, in Peru, Kansas, Madelyn moved to Augusta, KS, at age 3. Her parents, Rolla Charles Payne (1892-1968) and Leona McCurry (1897-1930), were strict Methodists who frowned upon her weekend forays to El Dorado, “the wrong side of the tracks,” where she met her future husband.
According to biographical accounts, Madelyns parents lived on a farm but enjoyed a modest income from leasing their land to John D. Rockefellers Standard Oil Company. The Paynes were not farmers.
Madelyn eloped with SAD on May (4th or 5th), 1940, a secret she kept from her parents until after her high school graduation. Madelyn worked as a waitress and then landed a job with Boeing in Wichita as a riveter on a B-29 assembly line during WWII.
Her father managed oil leases for Standard Oil in Oklahoma and Kansas.
Madelyn gave birth to Stanley Ann Dunham at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, on November 29, 1942 [Note: There exist sufficient, conflicting accounts as to the exact year of Madelyns high school graduation. Some say she graduated in 1940, others in 1942].
After the war, the Dunhams moved to Seattle where Madelyn became an aircraft inspector for Boeing and, later, a bank vice-president.
SAD moved his family to Honolulu in 1960 (apparently) for a better opportunity in the furniture sales industry; in 1970 Madelyn became a vice-president at the Bank of Hawaii. After enduring their daughters marriage to Obama, Sr., until they became separated and finally divorced circa 1965 or 1966, the Dunhams supported Stanley Ann and BHO for a few years until 1967 when she married Lolo Soetoro, another University of Hawaii graduate student and moved with him to Jakarta, Indonesia, where he was employed by an oil company.
When BHO decided to return to attend school in the U.S. at age 10, the Dunhams supported him in their Honolulu high-rise apartment and helped him with tuition at the Punahou School and possibly his Occidental College tuition.Madelyn lives at the same Honolulu high-rise apartment today.