Skip to comments.COMPLETE VETTING OF OBAMA: A CHALLENGE TO MSM
Posted on 09/13/2012 7:00:17 AM PDT by hoosiermama
Many conservative news people have talked about Obama NOT being vet the last election and it appears that even the authors looking into his history have neglected to thoroughly investigate one area.
The Clintons, like good magician assistance distracted with the help of lawyer, Phillip Berg Look over here! Look at his birth certificate! Those who attempted to look into that fact were ridiculed or ignored.
In an attempt to ignite research facts and questions follow. Where did the Dunham family get the money to travel? asked one blogger who listed many on the family trips to and through Asia.
Obama attended expensive school, if you believe the poor mother meme, he must have had a scholarship.
BUT, there is another possible answer. Many freepers have added the expertise and research to the following. Here are some of our findings and questions that have been spurred. Media, authors, fellow freepers use this missive as your jumping off point. It is a foundation to build on. Not a final product/
Lets look at Rolla Charles Payne, his maternal great-grandfather. He is said to be a bookkeeper by profession. (Do you believe his other great grandfather was a goat herder?) True, his 1917 military records show that he was a bookkeeper for a Tulsa Gas company. It has been said that he worked for Standard Oil, but isnt this the same time frame that Standard Oil was forced by the federal government to divide into many smaller companies and took man of their operations off shore?
On the other hand, when we looked for a Tulsa petroleum company, KaiserFrancis (the firm that owns a percentage of Solyndra/ check contributions?) appeared. It was in in its infancy in Tulsa.
Are they connected? Were they connected then? ..1969 George B. Kaiser took over Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., a small family oil firm founded in the 1940s by his uncle and parents, Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, who had settled in Oklahoma. Operations at the time were limited to Kansas. By 2004 the firm had over $600 million in revenues from oil and gas production...... (WSJ, 7/23/04, p.A1) .
The company was in operation and run by a brother and father before the 1940s. It operated entirely in Kansas, mostly drilling.
To believe he was a bookkeeper his entire life would be the equivalent of believing that Mitt Romneys father died a contractor. A bookkeeper is not the same as an agent, although both work with contracts and leases. If you google Payne several articles state he was a agent(at least they did when we did the research).
Several freepers informed me that agents wrote the contract/leases between the oil/gas company and the land owner for mineral rights. Several small parcels of land were often bundled together in one larger contact. This was during the depression. Money was scarce. It was not uncommon for the agent to take a small percentage of future income from the minerals extracted from the wells as delayed income. One freeper tells of a person he knew who, died a multi-millionaire, income was one tenth of one percent of producing wells drilled on the land he had arranged leases.
It is projected in one article that the family lived partly off of the income from wells on their own property. Research showed producing wells named: Stanley D and Stanley A. Are they connected?
Rolla Charles was upset when his oldest daughter eloped with Stanley A. Dunham. He was from the wrong side of the tracts. In other words: He didnt have money. The Paynes did.
Rolla Charles Payne died October 23, 1968. He was retired from an Eldorado Kansas Oil/Gas company. There is a museum in that town. You may want to visit it. It is a tribute to the industry. It may even contain information about Rolla Charles Payne.
Swisher-Taylor & Morris Funeral Home has the records of the Paynes deaths. Leona died on March 22, 1968, and Rolla on Oct. 22. The Courier published Leona's obituary on March 23, 1968, and Rolla's on Oct. 23, 1968
Paynes probate records should be available in the Court House at Augusta, Butler County, Kansas.
Now why is this important? Many of us have dealt with probate. Final distribution usually occurs a couple years after the death of the individual. Notation of family trust might also be in this courthouse.
Madelyn Payne Durham, the elder daughter, and Baracks grandmother, was not just a Vice President of the Hawaiian bank. She was head of the Escrow Department/Trust Department. If Rolla had not established a family trust at the time of his death to avoid probate, there are two reason why it may have been established at his death: Barack, Sr. and Lolo. Articles published in Africa said that Barack Sr. worked for an oil company, while a student in Hawaii. Hawaii has no oil or gas: Natural resources listed are gravel, lava stone and other building materials. Some found reports of SR. working in a pineapple field for a day. Marrying Stanley Ann and sharing in her assets is not working for an oil company, it is receiving profit from an oil company. Their divorce degree was eleven pages long. WHY? They shared no property, didnt even live together. What was so involved, and why did Stanley Anne want to make sure she was divorced, even though no record of their marriage has been found and Sr. was already married in Kenya.
.. After he left Hawaii (spending money touring the country; big talk in the bar in California; paying his brothers bills at an expensive private school etc.) implies that Sr. got money in June of 1962.
It is well documented that Lolo, Stanley Annes second husband, also worked for Standard Oil. Interesting?
Regardless, three years after Rolla Charles death, the family (including Sr. met in Hawaii. The meeting would be Christmas of 1971. Pictures document the visit and most assume the "family business" had something to do with custody of Barack Jr. It was after this pow-wow that Madelyn became Barrys legal guardian (Protecting his assets?). It was after this meeting that Barry was enrolled in the expensive school. It was at this time that the family moved into the penthouse apartment (twelfth floor). Was it at this time that final distribution and/or formation of the Madelyn Payne trust? (Noted in BHOs schedule E tax form on the WH website) was legalized?
Freeper attorneys say that , the reason you do a family trust is to avoid having the document of record anywhere and to avoid disclosing what you have in a probate proceeding".
From the Obama files:
Related: Obama received two inheritances from his grandmother, Madelyn. He made less than $1,000 from the sale of a tax-free trust. A second inheritance -- shares in the Bank of Hawaii where his grandmother rose from a secretary to a vice president -- sold for between $250,000 and $500,000. .
Note the tax free trust was sold, yet another trust is listed in his tax form schedule E, WH web site.
Freeper have wondered why his house in Chicago has an attorneys name listed as owner. If the house was purchased as an investment through the trust, isnt it likely to avoid paying capital gain taxes? BO would not want his name, but the trusted name of his lawyer as agent for the trust on the deed? Research the land: Was it located in the area that was going to be purchased and used for the Chicago Olympic? Good investment?
Profits from gas/oil would not sit pretty with his base. It could also be seen as a conflict of interest: Particularly when he denies the Canadian pipeline and closes drilling in the Gulf. Would these two actions be seen as influencing the value of his assets?
Other questions that have arisen concern Occidental. Is it coincidence that the School was founded by an oil family?
on his From 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) he listed the countries from which he derived income as various instead of actually listing the countries. (If you or I had done that, we would be getting a letter from the IRS wanting an explanation.) He complains that Romney has off shore accounts, but is not forthcoming on his own.
Thats the bait. Time to go fishing! What can freepers find? Which of the bloggers, media, authors, talking heads, will add to the research? Who will expose Barry? Is he really a Trust fund kid? Does he hate wealth, because hes wealthy? Why deny half of your heritage? Why hide it from your base?
Time to do a complete vetting of the President.
Because his carefully constructed persona demands that he appears as an Everyman, whereas he is really a No man.
As Steve Martin once quipped, "I was born a poor black child".
Obama speaks of Payne and his daughter, nicknamed Toot, in his memoirs. Toot was Obama’s grandmother.
“Toot’s family was respectable,” he wrote. “Her father held a steady job all through the Depression, managing an oil lease for Standard Oil.
“The family kept their house spotless and ordered Great Books through the mail; they read the Bible but generally shunned the tent revival circuit, preferring a straight-backed form of Methodism that valued reason over passion and temperance over both.”
Obama’s denomination is the United Church of Christ.
Yes, and I believe that he is all appearance, as you say, with no center and therefore he must absorb from those around him in order to be of any substance at all.
Banality and fullness of pride does not a great leader make.
That also pretty much describes a sociopath.
I once, innocently, had a run in with a sociopath and I was quite puzzled how the person could be so cold, heartless and non-caring. It was like staring into an abyss of nothing. The man in the White House is just like that. He mouths the word "hope," with no context, expecting others to imagine what he might mean by it. So, we are supposed to be garnered into believing whatever we think he means.
As Dirty Harry termed it, the man is the biggest Hoax this country has ever seen.
October 1968 Her father passes
She become head of the Trust Department in 1970
In 1971 "Family meeting" was held. Just in time to finish probating Rolla's will.
After that She become Jr's legal guardian
Somewhere in this time the move to the twelfth floor apartment (penthouse)
They may have sold the “family farm” but kept the mineral rights in their name. No doubt in my mind "big sis' Madelyn was in charge/executor.
Did anyone else check out -0 most recent tax return? Is that a second income? What is it? Where did it come from?
These facts were enclosed in a newsletter, The Daily Reckoning*:
Stunning 2nd Salary Found Inside President Obamas Tax Returns
According to his most recent tax filings, US President Barack Obama collects an average of more than $72,780 PER MONTH in personal income... and its NOT coming from the government.
In fact, its more than DOUBLE his presidential salary.
Where does all this money come from?
* The Daily Reckoning: Now in its 11th year, The Daily Reckoning is the flagship e-letter of Baltimore-based financial research firm and publishing group Agora Financial, a subsidiary of Agora Inc. (Editor, Bill Bonner.) The Daily Reckoning provides over half a million subscribers with literary economic perspective, global market analysis, and contrarian investment ideas. Published daily in six countries and three languages, each issue delivers a feature-length article by a senior member of our team and a guest essay from one of many leading thinkers and nationally acclaimed columnists.
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Pro golf winnings?
Is this income received from the sales of his memoirs?
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I know its along shot but has anyone ever done any DNA comparisons?
Man, I wish someone could do some DNA testing. It should be easy for someone to compare Obama to one of his supposed relatives in Kenya. Short of that we do have the photo comparisons like what Joel Gilbert did on his DVD.