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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | Sept 13. 2012 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 09/13/2012 9:38:46 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller

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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
confirmed on google search

So anything found with Google is confirmed to be true?

151 posted on 09/13/2012 11:30:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

One finds a lot of “weird” statements and conversations at this site. Guess it goes with the territory. But I will second your statement as being accurate.


152 posted on 09/13/2012 11:30:59 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Sine_Pari
I have seen this rationale used in many places and I think it is borne of State Dept corporate distrust of trained young Marines with loaded weapons in volatile situations. The lack of any reports related to dead or injured perps who attacked the Consulate in Bengazi lead me to this conclusion until corroborated or disproved by credible sources; sad.

Yes, that's their mindset. They gotta die to learn.

153 posted on 09/13/2012 11:31:37 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: GoldenPup
Too bad she didn't get a dose of the same "medicine".

Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson was not in Egypt during the unrest. She was safely in DC.

154 posted on 09/13/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: mkjessup

Im still trying to wrap my head around this new fact that our Marines have no ammo ...

I dont live in such a bizarre world...

To me ammo for Marines is as normal as breathing...


155 posted on 09/13/2012 11:33:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: TSgt

Charlie Fox, IMHO. And it will continue. I wish the Marine Guard contingent had surreptitiously carried magazines anyway (”Noted, ma’am”). I know, I know...


156 posted on 09/13/2012 11:34:42 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: PapaBear3625
Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson was not in Egypt during the unrest. She was safely in DC.

By her choice or Hillary's orders?

157 posted on 09/13/2012 11:36:46 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Cliff Dweller

I have been awake nearly all of three days now except for catnaps following every detail of this madness. I have gritted my teeth so hard at times, one actually chipped. We are seeing outright treason from the man who ascended by fraud to decapitate the USA. He has done a damn fine job of it.
obama and his minions are a scourge on this earth. If there was any justice, the earth would open up and swallow them all.


158 posted on 09/13/2012 11:38:28 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: kabar
Thanks for your expertise. Nice to hear facts from someone who knows.
Too many people speculate!
159 posted on 09/13/2012 11:40:37 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: kabar

When I was working at the U.S. Interest Section in Baghdad in 1983, we were in the old embassy building. There were NO MSG. When we secured the building at 1830, there were no humans left in the building. A large number of alarms were activated and our outer perimeter was guarded by Iraqi infantry. We were always shocked to find out when we opened up at 0730 that we hadn’t been penetrated. At the time we were under the aegis of the Belgians. The Belgian flag flew over the mission.


160 posted on 09/13/2012 11:40:46 AM PDT by Ax
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To: thouworm; Arthur Wildfire! March

Thank you, dear thouworm!

GOOD to see you again, Arthur Wildfire! March!!!


161 posted on 09/13/2012 11:41:42 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GoldenPup

She’d have been screaming, “Protect me, you idiots!”. Makes me wanna puke.


162 posted on 09/13/2012 11:41:46 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: MNJohnnie

This has been going on for years, including the Bush administration.

Military can’t even hold rifles when they are patrolling our military bases. They ‘pretend’ to carry guns.

Americans need to start admitting the full level of communist ideology permeating both parties and all of our government.

Then we can start to bring our country back into being.


163 posted on 09/13/2012 11:41:53 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: All

I’’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that the uniformed Secret
Service agents who guard embassies in DC are armed with live ammunition.


164 posted on 09/13/2012 11:45:05 AM PDT by Ax
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To: TigersEye
The sources I've seen, like Time, just say she was in DC at the time.
165 posted on 09/13/2012 11:45:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: mkjessup; Rush Limbaugh; holdonnow
SOMEBODY needs to ask 0bama WHY in a civilized nation like ours, contrasted with the radical goons and thugs in Egypt, Libya, etc., the White House security staff need ammo for their guns, after all: if our Marines are denied ammo in hazardous duty posts, why on Earth would the Secret Service and White House security staff need to have ammo here at home?

When was the last time that a bunch of Islamic terrorists tried to storm the White House? NEVER! So why all the guns, ammo and security?

Indeed!

I wrote on another thread, "disarm his Secret Service."

166 posted on 09/13/2012 11:45:35 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Ax

Given the status of the diplomatic facility, I can understand why. There should have been limitations on what kind of communications equipment and level of classified material could be held at the site. We have similar arrangements at small consulates.


167 posted on 09/13/2012 11:46:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cliff Dweller

Obviously failed History the first time, but now the entire class will have to repeat the course...


168 posted on 09/13/2012 11:51:08 AM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: Cliff Dweller

“Hey, what the hell are we supposed to use, man? Harsh language?” #Aliens #Frost


169 posted on 09/13/2012 11:58:10 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (PSA. As of 9/13/12, 54/130 days 'til we vote out/take out the trash. (11/6/12, 1/21/13))
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To: voteNRA

Perhaps Levin, Drudge, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and/or Savage will try to find out and let We The People know if Hitlery’s orders were to take ammo from US Marines and leave them sitting ducks.


170 posted on 09/13/2012 12:03:06 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Cliff Dweller

That koran burning minister should give Dempsey a ring back and ask him to stop endangering our soldiers by putting them in jihadiland as guards with no means of self defense.

This is outrageous. When the US military sees a mob of murderous jihadists storming US terrority (while chanting they are all Osamas), that is a target rich environment. Bullets and bombs are needed.


171 posted on 09/13/2012 12:06:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tennessee Nana
Willard himself...

Uh, Nana? How about maybe some specifics here, like 'when', 'where', context, etc? I've never been a fan of Mitt, and I'm voting not so much FOR Mitt, as I'm voting AGAINST 0bama, but I've never heard him 'mocking our military' in fact if that were the case, the 'Rats and their leftist sockpuppets would have been beating him over the head with it 24/7, so I remain skeptical of that in lieu of actual hard evidence.
172 posted on 09/13/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in America's panties, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Fox News update on this:

**UPDATE**

Further Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:

“The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo.”

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/us-embassy-attack/2012/09/13/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo#ixzz26NVluxgG


173 posted on 09/13/2012 12:09:18 PM PDT by procrustes
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To: ilovesarah2012

We all say this, but seriously, is ANYONE HERE ON FR actually surprised to hear this?

Seriously?

I am not surprised.
Disgusted, yes.
To the Nth degree.

But not surprised.


174 posted on 09/13/2012 12:09:22 PM PDT by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: GoldenPup

TRUTH!!!


175 posted on 09/13/2012 12:10:08 PM PDT by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Hopefully they will. I sent Rush an email through my 24/7 account (he supposedly reads more of the "paid" emails) asking for his thoughts on if the no ammo policy could have been leaked to the MB prior to the attacks.

Maybe he will follow up on it tomorrow

176 posted on 09/13/2012 12:13:06 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Cliff Dweller

This makes me sick.

~a Marine mom


177 posted on 09/13/2012 12:26:59 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: littleharbour
No American soldier should ever be put in a place of danger without being properly armed. If Obama wants to staff the embassy with tour guides, let him recruit from the thousands of Democrat staffers getting fat and lazy in Washington. Stop using the Marines as props!

I wonder if anyone in Congress has the brass to initiate a bill to prohibit anyone in the military from being assigned to any overseas posting without being fully armed with loaded weapons and an appropriate number of extra magazines, and grenades. Would such a bill receive the 2/3 votes necessary to override a PResidential veto?

178 posted on 09/13/2012 12:27:21 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Cliff Dweller

Not surprised. I wondered what the RsOE were.


179 posted on 09/13/2012 12:28:13 PM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: Pride in the USA
Thanks for the ping.

More good info at:

post #173

and

post #117

180 posted on 09/13/2012 12:28:55 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Cliff Dweller

To the Obama administration, Marines are expendable.


181 posted on 09/13/2012 12:30:17 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
A strong probability, one would surmise, or at least one paying attention would speculate. The leaks are well known as to the sources. Could go higher than Huma. Nothing is out of the realm of possibilities and probabilities with the crowd in power.
182 posted on 09/13/2012 12:31:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: cork

Nothing... and I mean NOTHING... surprises me anymore. Just think of the most stupid thing that can be done... like Marines without ammo... and there it is.

I personally believe that our ME embassies should have mine fields, too.


183 posted on 09/13/2012 12:37:18 PM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Somebody want to remind me where an apologist ambassador gets the authority to disarm a US Marine? Not on my watch. I can picture a blabby mouthed ambassador learning all about a butt stroke? It used to be considered a good assignment to get posted to an embassy. Now it sounds more like a suicide wish. All these Obamuzzie apologists are going to come to grief. They are clearly seen by the muzzies/’rabs as the “weakest link”. I just hope none of out Marines get hurt humoring these high nosed pieces or work-——————————Semper Fi.


184 posted on 09/13/2012 12:38:42 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: meyer
only the IRS gets live ammo...

hollow- points

185 posted on 09/13/2012 12:44:25 PM PDT by alrea
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To: kabar

At the Baghdad facility, we had a State communicator and our “other” comcen. All crypto equipment and associate documents were locked in safes at night. There about four different levels of security so we would know if there had been any penetration by Saddam’s goons, who were on us like Holy on the Pope.


186 posted on 09/13/2012 12:54:40 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Psalm 144

Oh you mean that divorced hot headed crazy Hollyweird actor??? He will never be president....

He is no Reagan, I grant that, but Mitt did a good job condeming what happened in Libya and Egypt (even by our own embassy ‘staff’) and in support of the citizen’s right to Constitutionally protected freedoms


187 posted on 09/13/2012 1:02:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: TigersEye
I used to work for Anne Patterson at another embassy. She's a former classmate of Hildabeast. With that said, she wasn't a horrendously bad ambassador, but typically liberal. In fact, she has had some challenging assignments, most notable, Colombia. With that said, I wouldn't give too much credence to the reports until they are confirmed. Patterson isn't a total idiot. Or at least, that was my impression of her.

It would be a stretch to suggest Hildabeast "ordered" Anne to take ammo from the Marines. Hildabeast is smarter than that, and knows she doesn't need to open a fight with the Marine Corps, the later being the reigning Olympic Gold Medalist when dealing with the MSM to form public opinion.

Just my take.

188 posted on 09/13/2012 1:02:35 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

>>>and willard doesnt like nasty guns either...>>>

He just gave a very strong statement saying in several different ways that he believes in the 2nd amendment.


189 posted on 09/13/2012 1:08:42 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: cripplecreek

yes sir!.........but, I will match you and raise you a hunerd!...........a young marine should have the “right” written into his contract, to throw down his weapon and quit in the face of such an order.............meaning it ought to be illegal in any event to order a young marine to face imminent and potentially deadly danger with a unloaded weapon! What an insult to these young men!

I despise the liberal bitch that gave this order and the officer that permitted it! When I signed, I signed to”obey all “lawful” orders! This should be an unlawful order!


190 posted on 09/13/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Didnt you recently get your little bot spanked for being cheeky to your elders ???


191 posted on 09/13/2012 1:19:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: TSgt

Charlie Foxtrot


192 posted on 09/13/2012 1:25:43 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: kabar

Two or Three days a week my son pulled the day shift at the front desk greeting the public who would come into the embassy. he was behind glass, but he had his loaded side arm.


193 posted on 09/13/2012 1:29:25 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Cliff Dweller

Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by
that here, obedient to their law, we lie.
— Simonides’s epigram at Thermopylae


194 posted on 09/13/2012 1:32:51 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Thank GOD this is finally seeing the light of day. The WFB had it on their site yesterday at least. I was passing it out as much as I could. I suspect the WH is in full spin mode, conferring with this idiot ambassador and lining up their ducks so they can come out with some seemingly plausible justification about what went down. WE know what went down. Now all that’s left is to see how the left and media bootlickers are going to spin it. You know they will. The Marines are merely props for these people. God it just makes me sick. I’m saying prayers over how sick it makes me. RIP Ambassador Stevens. I hope you are in heaven. God Bless You, Sir.


195 posted on 09/13/2012 1:42:32 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Cliff Dweller

You mean, the host country would know they had live ammo in their magazine? How? By sending a howling mob to rush their position? And if they get shot, instead of consummating their assault, then the host country would be offended?


196 posted on 09/13/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Salvavida
With that said, I wouldn't give too much credence to the reports until they are confirmed. Patterson isn't a total idiot.

You shouldn't have gotten the impression that I think either of those things from any of my posts.

197 posted on 09/13/2012 1:56:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Cliff Dweller

Sorry! My communication skills - via the written word - seem to lately lack coherence! When I wrote “Great idea - not!” it was directed at whoever leaked to this information to the press - not you.

Obviously you are not responsible for the leak.

Thanks for the post!


198 posted on 09/13/2012 1:59:22 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Old Sarge; Cliff Dweller

I wonder what the ROE were for the Marines?? Fix bayonets vs RPG and live rounds? Someone needs to hang.


199 posted on 09/13/2012 2:14:39 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: kabar

Hi, I found some interesting notes related to this Beacon article. It’s from a site called Nightwatch. I’d be interested in your take on it. There are notes from seemingly knowledgable people in the field.

http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/NightWatch/NightWatch_12000175.aspx

Here’s a sample (my apologies for the length, though, it is only a piece of what’s there)

NightWatch Special Comment: Ambassador Anne Patterson’s April Glaspie moment.

Ambassador Anne Patterson, the US Ambassador to Egypt, experienced her ‘April Glaspie’ moment yesterday when she blamed Americans instead of Egyptians for attacking, storming and desecrating the US Embassy in Cairo and the US Flag.

Old hands will remember, April Glaspie, who was a rising star in the State Department’s constellation of diplomats. Her notorious conversation with Saddam Hussein in early 1990 led Saddam to believe that the US encouraged and condoned an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

Having worked closely with US officials for a decade in the struggle and war against Iran, Saddam understood that everything after the Glaspie talk was plausible deniability by US President Bush, 41.

Glaspie misunderstood and misjudged the Iraqi leadership and the situation in Iraq. Patterson’s operations at the US Embassy in Cairo bespeak a comparable misjudgment of the Egyptian Arab situation, its volatility and the depth of anti-American sentiment.

She did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.

In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines


200 posted on 09/13/2012 2:20:26 PM PDT by austinaero
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