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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | Sept 13. 2012 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 09/13/2012 9:38:46 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller

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To: Tennessee Nana

Why didn’t President Empty Chair serve Tennessee Nana?


201 posted on 09/13/2012 2:22:00 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Cliff Dweller

Citizens arrest, Citizens arrest!!


202 posted on 09/13/2012 2:26:01 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

” Romney should make a promise: “My marines will have bullets!””

Obama is utterly destroying the morale and safety of our military.


203 posted on 09/13/2012 2:32:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Cliff Dweller

This isn’t the perogative of an ambassador, this is rules of engagement established by Obama. If this is true every damn Marine officedr in that chain of command should be cashiered and Obama should be impeached. Of course none of that will happen.


204 posted on 09/13/2012 2:34:38 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Travis McGee

” The state dept would rather have dead Marines and ambassadors, then risk a “flap” not under their direct control.”

This much is clear.


205 posted on 09/13/2012 2:36:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: chris37
She looks half decent in that photo.

As we say in my country - she has now "gorn orf".

206 posted on 09/13/2012 2:40:42 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: austinaero
Thanks. I read those comments. No where does it state that Amb Patterson was not in the country at the time. She had nothing to do with the Press Release. Supposedly, according to buck passer Obama, the PR was strictly a product of Embassy PAO Schwartz and was not approved by Washington, only by the Charge' in Cairo. In fact, Obama said that Washington didn't want it released with that language.

When, as I noted previously in a earlier post, this source contains such misinformation, I am skeptical about some of the other statements made without any real sourcing. I want to see more information before jumping to any conclusions.

Based on my personal experience of serving abroad at seven embassies and visiting many more, I have a hard time believing that it is embassy policy not to allow MSGs to carry loaded weapons. If that is the case, then something is very, very wrong.

207 posted on 09/13/2012 2:42:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: mkjessup; Arthur Wildfire! March

” SOMEBODY needs to ask 0bama WHY in a civilized nation like ours, contrasted with the radical goons and thugs in Egypt, Libya, etc., the White House security staff need ammo for their guns, after all: if our Marines are denied ammo in hazardous duty posts, why on Earth would the Secret Service and White House security staff need to have ammo here at home? When was the last time that a bunch of Islamic terrorists tried to storm the White House? NEVER! So why all the guns, ammo and security? “

Perfect!


208 posted on 09/13/2012 2:44:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: mmichaels1970

You are correct, but I was referring to the Mariens not being allowed to carry ammo. And the “rules of engagement” that they are under is ridiculous. I suggest reading “No Easy Day” it was written by a former SEAL that was involved in Bin Laden capture. He makes it very clear how these current ROEs are severely handicapping our troops.


209 posted on 09/13/2012 2:44:39 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Nifster

“He is no Reagan, I grant that, but Mitt did a good job condeming what happened in Libya and Egypt (even by our own embassy ‘staff’) and in support of the citizen’s right to Constitutionally protected freedoms”

And in that he did well. It is appalling that such a baseline response now comes across as bold, not that a nominee can actually do much beyond that, but the relative silence over these simultaneous and widespread outrages is disgusting.


210 posted on 09/13/2012 3:01:25 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Cliff Dweller.


211 posted on 09/13/2012 3:02:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Salvavida

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- Ware they armed on the USS Cole

- under President Bill Clinton?

- or were their firearms empty?

- or couldn’t they hit a target?

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212 posted on 09/13/2012 3:03:01 PM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------------GO_AHEAD---MAKE_MY_SPAGHETTI-------- ----------------------------)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Hmmmm.. I wonder if she leaked it to the bad guys..

...no need to, the average donkey driver in Egypt knew more about Military procedures at the Embassy than the average American........telling the American voter that Marines will protect you with no bullets while being constantly surrounded by cut throats would have looked bad for the little boy king

213 posted on 09/13/2012 3:10:05 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: cripplecreek; Sgt_Schultze; Cliff Dweller; meyer; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; hal ogen; MNJohnnie; ...

>>SOMEBODY needs to ask 0bama WHY in a civilized nation like ours, contrasted with the radical goons and thugs in Egypt, Libya, etc., the White House security staff need ammo for their guns, after all: if our Marines are denied ammo in hazardous duty posts, why on Earth would the Secret Service and White House security staff need to have ammo here at home? When was the last time that a bunch of Islamic terrorists tried to storm the White House? NEVER! So why all the guns, ammo and security?

Amen and Amen.

The Buck stops with YOU, Zippy.

Remember how quick you were to lay blame on Bush for everything that happened during and after his administration, even if it was ramrodded through by the Democrat Congress? Well, this one is wholly owned by you. Not the previous administration. Not the Congress. Not the Tea Party. Not obstructionists. YOU. Your policy. Your decision. Your pick for Ambassador. You - the Commander in Chief. Mr. “Lead from Behind.”

Better get busy on your blame game plan, Zippy. This is gonna take some serious work to try to spin it as someone else’s fault.

If it were anyone else but Zippy, I’d say get off the golf course and lead. But I think Zippy does less damage when he’s on the golf course.

Please, dear God, preserve our Republic and the good citizens in it until we can get rid of the Marxist in the White House and replace him with an honest man.


214 posted on 09/13/2012 3:14:38 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Heard this on Rush too. Have been wondering 'why' since this happened; there had been no questions as to why we were not able to defend ourselves; much less; kill even one perp/terrorist. (Was sure thi Admin had told them they could not shoot their guns or somesuch; but no answers; until Rush.

This Administration; CIC Obama should be charged with TREASON and dereliction of duty; inasmuch as he stationed our Military; our Embassy personnel/Ambassador ET AL in the most dangerous of locations/situations; and in complete jeopardy and vulnerability to our worst enemies - without the ability to defend themselves! OUTRAGEOUS! This goes to Hillary and onto Obama. It speaks to the dangers of having Military hating Leftist in charge of Natioal Security for our Nation and those who protect it. .

Waiting. . .waiting; for at least howls from Fox News; but as well and critically from Mitt Romney and REubs; all.

Political? You betcha. How much worse, can a Commander-in-Chief get. Short of donning the enemy jacket; which for all intents and purposes; is precisely what Obama does; every day; upon arising.

Scream it folks. . .

Ex SEAL included in this deadly debaucle as well.

215 posted on 09/13/2012 3:15:21 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Psalm 144

exactly


216 posted on 09/13/2012 3:19:40 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: generally

Amen!


217 posted on 09/13/2012 3:34:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Just heard on Focx News that the Pentagon denies that Marines are not allowed to carry loaded firearms.


218 posted on 09/13/2012 3:40:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Churchillspirit

Regrettably, I must disagree. Even in pictures of our "leaders" looking their most intelligent, I cannot buy what the picture is trying to sell.

When I look at the picture of Hillary that I posted, even though I see that she is younger and looking most inquisitive with her eye wear, I see an absolute failure of a woman. I see quite possibly the dumbest woman in the world. I see someone who is a clear and present danger to freedom.

Similarly, when I look at the picture of Obama here, despite the photo's best efforts to portray a thoughtful man, I see just the opposite. In fact, when I look at pictures of Obama, I see something so much worse than a stupid man. I see Evil. Honestly, sometimes in some photos of him, I see something that is not human.

I don't know, perhaps my eyes are too jaded now.

Also, Churchillspirit, please let me say, God Bless England and her people. May our two countries always be both friends and allies. I am very sad how our president has treated Israel. Good friends are not made easily, and how quickly we have tossed Israel aside just disgusts me.

I think western civilization is at great risk. I think a time may come very soon where we must stand together against great evil as we have done in the past. Sadly, this time some of that evil eminates from America.

219 posted on 09/13/2012 3:59:30 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: austinaero

FWIW,,there are some reporting they do not believe the statement put out by the State Dept about the ammo.

I guess I’m too old for this board...I remember the same correction coming from the Pentagon regarding the US Marines in Beirut back in 1983 when their barracks were bombed at Beirut’s airport...The reports coming out of Beirut said that the Marines in Beirut were not even allowed to put empty magazines into their M16s, let alone lock and load live rounds...The Pentagon “corrected” that initial report...Later it was found that the initial reports were true...

So let me think...A Marine officer says that the postings of individual soldiers are incorrect...From what I remember during my time in uniform, the enlisted-ranks told the truth, and the officers said what their higher ups told them to say..

I’m going to believe the enlisted-ranks over the press releases from the officer corps...Call me crazy, but experience is a better teacher than wishful thinking...

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/us-embassy-attack/2012/09/13/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo#ixzz26OSH1e7S


220 posted on 09/13/2012 3:59:52 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: kabar

Thanks for your notes Kabar,,I am reading some of the posts on the Fox site,,,and not everyone is convinced,,just saying. The one thing this WH is good at is mucking up communication so that they can go back later and control the message based on the outcry/reaction...they just issue one of those famous clarifications. Makes me sick.


221 posted on 09/13/2012 4:02:52 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: austinaero

Clarification to all
I did not serve.
My previous post was a little sloppy. The note in it was from a former soldier that was in Beirut. I hope I didn’t mislead anyone.


222 posted on 09/13/2012 4:05:06 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Cliff Dweller
Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

That would be fine if she sent the Marines home. Forcing them to be at risk is beyond incompetence, more like something criminal.
223 posted on 09/13/2012 4:16:42 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: hedgetrimmer
Military can’t even hold rifles when they are patrolling our military bases. They ‘pretend’ to carry guns.

Absurd. Better to give them white flags. Otherwise enemies will assume they are armed and they will be sitting ducks.
224 posted on 09/13/2012 4:16:56 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Cliff Dweller

Tried to tell others about Marines and soldiers doing such duties without ammunition, but others obfuscated the matter and issued false reports. There’s a generalized hatred and fomented distrust against men (i.e., men) and real families in the USA, and it’s been constructed by all political sides for decades. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


225 posted on 09/13/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: chris37
Thank you for your kind words, Chris.

Hopefully, under President Romney, the "special relationship" will have meaning again.

226 posted on 09/13/2012 4:47:36 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: kitkat; Tennessee Nana

FYI Tennesse Nana: Mitt Romney had an extensive interview in my latest NRA magazine. He is absolutely in favor of the second amendment.

Anyone who wants to know the truth can get it from the NRA.


227 posted on 09/13/2012 7:27:56 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (Hey Obummer...Get Off Our Lawn.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

>>>>>>Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.” If true. . . .
If true, this is absolutely unbelievable. Correction: Unfortunately, with the Obama administration, this is all too believable.>>>>>>>>

The truth is a few marines with or without live ammo can’t do a thing to calm a rioting mob of ten thousand crazed muzzie nutjobs.
At the same time a few rounds fired into a crowd will make a huge PR for these idiots.
Not to mention a crowd will take it as an excuse to murder all the ambassy stuff.


228 posted on 09/14/2012 12:56:56 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: Cliff Dweller

This is not new, Carter did the same back in the 1970’s.


229 posted on 09/14/2012 1:23:17 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: kabar

I’ll bet right now those shredders are smoking throughout the middle eastern missions. Barbarian heathens!


230 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:09 AM PDT by Ax
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To: kabar

I’ll bet right now those shredders are smoking throughout the middle eastern missions. Barbarian heathens!


231 posted on 09/14/2012 8:07:21 AM PDT by Ax
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To: devolve

Not sure what your point is...uhhhh....there were no Marines on the Cole. The failure of the Cole to protect herself fell on the culture within the Navy and the Pentagon: and the inability of DoD, Congress, and the American people to get their heads around Salafist Islam. They Navy blamed the Captain of the Cole, but ignored the prevailing mindset.


232 posted on 09/14/2012 10:42:29 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

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You are correct

— There were no US Marines (0) on the USS Cole - I was and still am caffeine deprived.

- Today I am seeing/hearing Jay Carney and Hillary Clinton do a complete 180• and now again blaming a dumb video and denying the attacks, atrocities, and murderer in Libya had any relationship to 9/11/2001 and planning by Al Quaida or any of their cowardly little buddies - here or abroad.

- The useful idiots in “tuh” White House are also denying they were warned 48 hours before of the planned attacks by terrorists on 9/12/2012.

- Over 100 rounds of lousy golf and fundraising in Las Vegas as our US Embassies are burning are the real priorities now.

- As my daughter would say:

“What good is my Ruger if it is not loaded!”

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233 posted on 09/14/2012 4:04:02 PM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------------GO_AHEAD---MAKE_MY_SPAGHETTI-------- ----------------------------)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

It reminds me of a Lynnard Skinner song: “Gimme back my buullets!”


234 posted on 09/16/2012 7:30:03 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Ax

Busted!… State Department Scrubs Damning Memo From Website Following Deadly 9-11 Consulate Attacks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2931738/posts

Netanyahu On US Embassy Attacks: ‘You Want These Fanatics To Have Nuclear Weapons?’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2931839/posts


235 posted on 09/16/2012 7:31:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Strategerist; Arthur Wildfire! March; justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; ...

It wouldn’t surprise me it was true (The Examiner reported it, there are many FR threads about it). Those people love raping so much they don’t care if their victim is even a woman. 13th century mentality.

There are also reports that the rape of Lara Logan in Egypt was much worse than reported.


236 posted on 09/17/2012 5:06:06 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; Impy; justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

” Netanyahu On US Embassy Attacks: ‘You Want These Fanatics To Have Nuclear Weapons?’”

Apparently so.


237 posted on 09/18/2012 7:45:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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