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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | Sept 13. 2012 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 09/13/2012 9:38:46 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller

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To: Cliff Dweller

Ambassador Patterson was in Washington during the demonstrations. The link has it wrong, which raises questions about the assertion that the MSGs were not allowed to have live ammunition.


51 posted on 09/13/2012 10:02:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: hal ogen
Great strategy there, you pinheaded nincompoop ambassador.
Like the Marines are planted pots...just for show. Disgusting.
You gotta wonder; are they now?...
or are they just hoping to "ride it through"?

52 posted on 09/13/2012 10:03:18 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Cliff Dweller

I said yesterday there was a reason she or whomever were afraid of the Islamic terrorists and said they were nice...


53 posted on 09/13/2012 10:03:28 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Cliff Dweller


54 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:00 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Nifster

“I am in living in an insane time warp....Is it 1979 or is it 2012??? I can no longer tell with certainty’

There is no Reagan in sight. It is 2012.


55 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: Cliff Dweller
Ambassador Anne Patterson ...
Got the same Pelosi-style KrazyEyes goin' on


56 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in America's panties, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: Cliff Dweller
No live ammo for Marines protecting overseas Embassies, BUT NOAA, DHS, and SSA (who have no overseas installations) are purchasing ammo like it is going to obsolete in the next 30 days???? WTF
57 posted on 09/13/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: kabar
The link has it wrong, which raises questions about the assertion that the MSGs were not allowed to have live ammunition.

Following the link, the sourcing on this accusation is dubious to almost non-existent. It's certainly worth the media asking the question, but for Romney to go off half-cocked on this right now would be a really bad idea.

58 posted on 09/13/2012 10:05:18 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Cliff Dweller
The little Muslim knows if he gives ammo to the brave soldiers they might do something with it he doesn't like..
59 posted on 09/13/2012 10:07:01 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Cliff Dweller
ANOTHER blunder by Obama and SecState Hillary(!) Clinton. First, Benghazi, Libya, and now Cairo, Egypt. These flippin’ morons are pretty free with other peoples’ lives. Where's the outrage? Crickets.
60 posted on 09/13/2012 10:08:39 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: hal ogen

If I was a marine, stationed at a hostile post, not allowed to carry ammunition, I would be putting in transfer papers every other day until they got rid of me....

If this was to start happening, maybe.......


61 posted on 09/13/2012 10:08:42 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: mkjessup
Ambassador Anne Patterson ... Got the same Pelosi-style KrazyEyes goin' on

I noticed the same thing the other day and posted it as well as post #40 and #50 in this very thread.

62 posted on 09/13/2012 10:09:11 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Strategerist

Sources USMC Blog posts - True hard to validate (read near impossible)


63 posted on 09/13/2012 10:10:19 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller (No such thing as a threat... just targets)
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To: AU72

I hada Marine tell me they keep marbles in their pocket and chuck them at people who mess with them. Honestly!!!


64 posted on 09/13/2012 10:10:19 AM PDT by Texas4ever
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To: Cliff Dweller

They were not allowed to have loaded weapons or carry live ammo because no one trusts a grunt upstairs with something that could have world changing ramifications. However it was right there in case they needed it, and would have been issued at the command of the CO if certain events happened whether or not word came down from On High is what I was told.

I was speaking to an old friend yesterday who was a former marine about this, he told me that one time a petition was circulated asking if they could be issued baseball bats instead of their weapons in these cases, also if they could fix bayonets as a deterrent.

Nope.


65 posted on 09/13/2012 10:11:32 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Marines with no ammunition? What did she think they were there for, collecting Toys for Tots?


66 posted on 09/13/2012 10:11:41 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: chris37
Nice picture of the Arkansas Broadbeam you found there ...


67 posted on 09/13/2012 10:12:06 AM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favorite tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
...and willard doesnt like nasty guns either...

5 September 2012

NRA-ILA's Chris Cox:
"First, let me start with the most basic question of all. In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, and in the 2010 case McDonald v. City of Chicago, the U.S. Supreme Court—by a 5-4 majority—held that the Second Amendment guarantees the fundamental, individual right of all law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms. Do you agree that the Second Amendment protects a fundamental, individual right to own and use firearms for all lawful purposes?"

Gov. Mitt Romney: "Absolutely, and I was pleased when the Court finally rendered a clear and concise decision on this critical issue. The Second Amendment is essential to our free society. I strongly support the right of all law-abiding Americans to exercise their constitutionally protected right to own firearms and to use them for lawful purposes, including self-defense; the protection of family and property; hunting and recreational shooting."

Doesn't sound like he dislikes guns as much as you think he does Nana.
68 posted on 09/13/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in America's panties, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Even Barney was allowed one bullet.


69 posted on 09/13/2012 10:12:34 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Cliff Dweller

This is my synopsis of the Libyan Consulate fiasco gathered from on-line reports.

Would y’all look it over and tell me what I have wrong (or add to it)? Trying to get a handle on what is actually true, or known.


The Benghazi, Libya Consulate (with no Marine contingent or reinforced building protection) is warned on Sept. 4th that a mob protest will be held on Sept. 11th at its location. No additional Marine personnel are moved to the location from Tripoli. However, for reasons unknown, the Ambassador is on-site with 1 USAF Communications Specialist, 2 lightly armed Marines, and an undetermined number of Libyan security personnel.

The mob protest was actually a cover for a well-planned and organized assassination attempt by a team of 15-20 AQL (Al Qaeda Libya) fighters who were there to kill the Amb. in revenge for our killing an Al Qaeda leader in June.

At 10PM, AQL opened fire and attacked in two waves. A running gunfight ensues and it lasts until 2:30AM. For reasons not explained, no attempt is made to reinforce the Marines during this 4.5 hour battle. For me, that seems like mis-reporting because it does not make any sense.

The fight began when a volley of RPG is fired at the Consulate from the crowd and either those rounds set fire to the building, or the building is set on fire. After the volley, one team of AQL moves to breach the Consulate, but comes into contact with Libyan security and is supposedly repelled. During the fight, the Amb. becomes separated in the dense smoke and dies of smoke inhalation, however, for some reason the post-mortem report confirms that the Amb. was sodomized shortly before his death.

The USAF Coms. spec., and 2 Marines move to a Consulate car to link up for extraction at the safe house, but come under close small arms fire. The 2 Marines are killed on site after volunteering to form a rear guard to protect the car in its escape. The remaining USAF Coms. Spec. attempts to drive away, but is ambushed by a blocking AQL force that was waiting for him and was assuming that the Amb. was in the car.

No mention of what happened to the on-site Libyan Sec. Force, but it’s suspected that at least one of them handed the address of the safe house over to AQL.

As this is happening a 6-man ex-fil team from Tripoli is helicoptered to the safe house. Upon landing they take heavy weapons fire from a neighboring farm house.

A Marine(?) sniper moves to the roof, but is hit by an RPG round and falls to the street. One soldier is killed on the ground after landing. (That makes 6 casualties. The media refers to only 4.)

As this fight is on-going at the safe house, Libyan security forces are arranging several unarmed pick-up trucks to get the Consulate staff from the safe house to the airport, but the on-site commanding Libyan officer was told that there would be only 10 people. There were close to 37. At some point the safe house catches fire.

In the confusion, more trucks are gathered up from what has been referred to as “friendly Libyan forces” and all of the remaining staff, Marines, and the casualties are moved to the airport. One report noted 15-17 casualties at the safe house (+2 KIA), but I do not know where that came from.

Somewhere in all of this some friendly Libyans take the dead Ambassador to the hospital, but first parade his dead body around.

There has been no mention of the names (or where the bodies are) of the 2 Marines and the USAF Coms. Spec. killed at the Consulate.

It has been reported, but not confirmed, that Obama was informed that the Consulate was being attacked and he then went to sleep. He does not appear to ask about the outcome until the next morning which left him unprepared to make a statement. Romney beat him to that statement and condemned Obama. The Media at Romney’s press conference realized how badly Obama had messed up and co-ordinated their questions to put Romney in a bad light and put their story on him and not on the actual story. Obama makes a statement in the afternoon and then flies to Las Vegas for a fund raiser.

Also, on Sept. 11th, the Egyptian Embassy was breached by a mob and no effort was made by the Marines on duty to stop or remove them from the Embassy walls. As it turns out, the Marines at the Egyptian Embassy are not permitted to carry live ammo. Oops.

“U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.” If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S. interests.”


70 posted on 09/13/2012 10:13:18 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Blue Highway

Great minds my FRiend, great minds. ;)


71 posted on 09/13/2012 10:13:37 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in America's panties, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: _Jim

"I'm crushing your head....I'm crushing your head...Crush...Crush...Crush...."

72 posted on 09/13/2012 10:13:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: JudyinCanada

Oh, how times have changed. When I was a Marine Security Gaurd in Jordan and Austria, I had a 9MM as my side arm. At the ready was an 870P Riot Shotgun, Mini 14, Uzi, several different caliber pistols all within arms reach for any given moment with enough Ammo to take care of business on multiple fronts. And that was just inside the secure booth within the embassy doors. My fellow Marines always at the ready with as much at their disposal.

Someone better Court Martial me if I am told to stand down under the threat of violance or incursion.


73 posted on 09/13/2012 10:14:09 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: Cliff Dweller
Hillary was the one that banned military assigned to the White House wearing uniforms.

I have no doubt that what happened in Liberia happened for the same reason. No ammo and they couldn't defend anyone.

74 posted on 09/13/2012 10:14:36 AM PDT by Flint
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To: Cliff Dweller

Marines who were sent in [at the last minute] were *set-up*.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/libya-ambassador-battle-idAFL5E8KCMYB20120912?sp=true


75 posted on 09/13/2012 10:16:17 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: AU72

Amen. Romney and/or his PAC’s better run ads with this.


76 posted on 09/13/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Cliff Dweller

Washington DC = Mordor = FUBAR


77 posted on 09/13/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: mkjessup

If that no ammo decision was hers shes responsible and should be removed at the least..,.

I wondered how the Islamic terrorists could get anywhere near the wall and even on top and over into the compund without one of them getting a bullet or 10...

Its US soil...

Its like someone breaking into the White House grounds...


78 posted on 09/13/2012 10:18:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Cliff Dweller

Un-freakin-believable...
No..wait!


79 posted on 09/13/2012 10:19:22 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Romney has made it clear he would strengthen the US Military, not gut it as Obama is doing.

But I know you "Conservatives to Reelect President 0bama" (CREEP0) members don't like the inconvenient truths about your god 0bama being made public.

80 posted on 09/13/2012 10:21:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Braak
He's killing Americans through stupidity.

I think soetoro is killing Americans by design.

81 posted on 09/13/2012 10:21:33 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Nifster
I am in living in an insane time warp....Is it 1979 or is it 2012??? I can no longer tell with certainty

2012. We have iPhones.

82 posted on 09/13/2012 10:21:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: joe fonebone

I’d rather be in Leavenworth.

You put me in that third world piss hole surrounded by people who HATE me and want to KILL me then give me what amounts to a baseball bat to protect myself?

I’ll refuse to take my post.

Maybe that is why I never joined the military.


83 posted on 09/13/2012 10:22:20 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Tennessee Nana

“...and willard doesnt like nasty guns either...”

You really think that Romney would disarm the military?

Idiotic and predicted response from you, as always.


84 posted on 09/13/2012 10:23:02 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Throughout the world, United States Marines are known for their fighting ability. Everyone in the world knows that you don’t try to take on US Marines with a wet towel. To take away the ammunition from Marines in a foreign country and in a dangerous situation is to take American warriors and reduce them to nothing but targets. This Ambassador should immediately be fired. Our chairman of the joint chiefs of staff will call a Pastor about his thoughts on a movie, but he doesn’t have the guts to tell the Secretary of State that an Ambassador is an idiot? They must cut off their testicles when they make them a general.


85 posted on 09/13/2012 10:24:36 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Cliff Dweller

I kept skipping over this article because I couldn’t bring myself to believe that our ambassador could be so naive and foolish.

Reminds me of my friend who was in the Army under Carter. He was supposed to guard a communications facility in Germany, during the time of the Baader/Meinhoff gang/Red Brigade era. He was issued three bullets and had to go out on a patrol of four people, if I recall. He gave the bullets to the other soldiers and he went without. While they were patrolling, a car drove up to the fence and people got out with tools and appeared to be ready to go through the fence and sabotage the communications facility. He and the other soldiers approached, and the people in the car saw them and quickly left. My friend looked at his guys and one of the soldiers immediately apologized for not firing, saying he blew it because he was just surprised and scared. Then he said, “but why didn’t you fire?” My friend had to tell him it was because his gun was empty.

A few weeks later, Reagan became president. There was never a lack of bullets again.


86 posted on 09/13/2012 10:25:21 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Noamie
looks...seems very plausible..

87 posted on 09/13/2012 10:26:36 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Yet another "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" ping...

>:-(

88 posted on 09/13/2012 10:26:51 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: "ABO"/Ryan 2012)
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To: Tennessee Nana
... I wondered how the Islamic terrorists could get anywhere near the wall and even on top and over into the compund without one of them getting a bullet or 10...

Its US soil...

Its like someone breaking into the White House grounds...

White House gaurds *may* not be equipped with live ammo either ... we really don't know ...
89 posted on 09/13/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favorite tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Tennessee Nana

“Conservatives to Reelect President 0bama” (CREEP0)
_______________________

BINGO, Johnnie!


90 posted on 09/13/2012 10:27:46 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: Cliff Dweller
U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

Will the 50 members of Fleet Anti terrorism Security Team that are being sent to guard the consulate be allowed to have ammunition and to open fire under attack or are they being sent to be sodomized, murdered and dragged through the streets as it was done with our ambassador?

IMHO, the SoS and any ambassador who prohibits use of arms by those who are charged with the responsibility to protect life and property and those individuals are killed during discharge of their duty, the Sos and ambassador should be charged with murder or accessory to murder.

91 posted on 09/13/2012 10:28:14 AM PDT by varon (I remember when America was American.)
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To: Blue Highway
The look of a grade school librarian: Photobucket
92 posted on 09/13/2012 10:28:32 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Lazamataz

Rage Monkey needs to read this post.

I think Rage Monkey would be enraged by the fact that the GubMint just ordered 1.2 Billion rounds of hollow point .357 Sig for DHS, TSA, The Social Security Administration and the National Weather Service while leaving Marines overseas with no bullets.

(A rifle without ammo - It’s just a fancy stick.)


93 posted on 09/13/2012 10:28:43 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lonevoice

If true, this might be the reason the embassy had no marine protection. You can’t go into a violent mob without a loaded gun unless you are suicidal. This is more than shocking.


94 posted on 09/13/2012 10:30:13 AM PDT by Pride in the USA (With Romney - Ryan you get change back.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

re: “and willard doesnt like nasty guns either...”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Your reaction to the story is so Tennessee Nana. They were not allowed to have live ammo, which was a horrible and deadly policy for our side. What do you do? You use the Obama/Clinton failure to take a shot at Romney. You are obsessed. Or possessed. Well, Nana, Romney would not do the same. Is your world going to collapse if a dreaded Mormon actually sits in the Oval Office? Do we need to put you on suicide watch?

What really irks me is that I do not particularly like Romney but sometimes have to defend him from the likes of you. He was next to last on my list, just above Ron Paul. Until the end, I was hoping another Republican would take the nomination.


95 posted on 09/13/2012 10:32:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (I don't like RINOs, but I love my country more than I hate Romney...Muslim marxist, get out!)
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To: Cliff Dweller

So what good are marines without bullets? Maybe they used the marines to serve them drinks?


96 posted on 09/13/2012 10:32:40 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Noamie

Sounds pretty good to me. Mind if I barrow it? With full credit given to you of course.


97 posted on 09/13/2012 10:33:03 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Cliff Dweller

Unacceptable. How many Marines would stay on the job if they were denied a weapon to defend their objective or themselves?

It would be an honorable awol for any Marine to walk away from that BS.


98 posted on 09/13/2012 10:34:14 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Never on my watch
"The look of a grade school librarian"

Deja Vu;

Who was ambassador to Iraw prior to the Gulf/Iraq war? From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

April Catherine Glaspie (born April 26, 1942) is a former American diplomat and senior member of the Foreign Service, best known for her role in the events leading up to the Persian Gulf War of 1991.

99 posted on 09/13/2012 10:35:50 AM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favorite tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Cliff Dweller

This doesn’t surprise me in the least and has a long history. On many deployments embassy procedures seem to be: “No guns.” My CA team was deployed to the Comoros in east Africa with no weapons.

A friend who was deployed to Liberia for civil affairs was even forbidden to carry a weapon. In Liberia. In a country where every 12 year old had an AK. The level of stupidity is mind-blowing.


100 posted on 09/13/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by jjm2111
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