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Fishery disaster declared in New England-Industry is devastated by federal regulations
WPRI.com ^ | 9/13/12 | Non-attributed AP

Posted on 09/13/2012 1:07:59 PM PDT by j_tull

BOSTON (AP) - Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee is applauding the U.S. Commerce Department's decision to declare a national fishery disaster in New England. The move opens the door for tens of millions of dollars in relief funds for fishermen.

U.S. Sen. John Kerry said he's secured a commitment from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to include $100 million for fishermen and fishing communities in emergency assistance legislation. He said the job after Thursday's declaration is to fight for the money in a potentially reluctant Congress.

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The government is providing $100 million in "relief" from ITS OWN REGULATIONS, if it passes.
1 posted on 09/13/2012 1:08:07 PM PDT by j_tull
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To: j_tull

Productive workers are now forced onto welfare.

Pray for America


2 posted on 09/13/2012 1:09:54 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: j_tull

that figures


3 posted on 09/13/2012 1:10:19 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: bray
I heard Rand Paul talk about the loss of freedom in the States as a result of bureaucratic interventions and laws. I will follow him closely, for this is how our freedoms are being usurped.
4 posted on 09/13/2012 1:12:15 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: dalebert

NOAA rigged the numbers to shut it down. Scott Brown wants to change that.


5 posted on 09/13/2012 1:13:10 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: j_tull

oh wait..Its JOhn Kerry ..better check this out a little more.


6 posted on 09/13/2012 1:14:14 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Chickensoup
...for this is how our freedoms are being usurped,

I would add, "and votes are being purchased!" Will it pass the House?

7 posted on 09/13/2012 1:14:27 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull

This only makes sense to retarded democraps.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 1:14:33 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: j_tull

Government destroys viable productive industry with regulations.

Causes financial ruin.

Steps in to help by taking money from other productive industries thereby destroying them.

How can anyone think this is anything other than insanity. What are they counting on to make it work? What will they do when there are no more healthy industries to destroy in order to prop up the already destroyed? It’s not possible they don’t see what will happen so it has to be intentional.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 1:24:16 PM PDT by albionin
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To: j_tull

That photo looks like the breachway in Galilee. Spent many a summer there and love the area. This sucks on so many levels.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 1:30:59 PM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: dalebert

Wait... the John Kerry who was in Vietnam, or some other John Kerry?


11 posted on 09/13/2012 1:31:48 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

... the HAUGHTY John Kerry, who, by the way, served in Vietnam ...


12 posted on 09/13/2012 1:36:47 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: SueRae
This sucks on so many levels.

Indeed. I don't think there is any doubt the supply is dwindling. I know a lobsterman out of Westport. He is considering giving it up. So the question is, is there a case to be made for catch limits/or other regulation? (Just a question, not a position statement).

13 posted on 09/13/2012 1:39:16 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull

it said, fishing stocks have been declining for years,
even with catch limits.
it seems to me, in this case, the catch limit regulations are good.
...in capitalism, when i resource becomes more scarce,
some people will leave the business, and move on.
instead, now, we will PAY fishermen not to fish.
just as we pay some farmers, not to farm.
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the solution, is to get government OUT of things!


14 posted on 09/13/2012 1:49:21 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: massgopguy

Then why spend so much money on it? I hope Brown makes a huge stink over it.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 2:00:30 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Elendur
the solution, is to get government OUT of things!

A universal truth.

16 posted on 09/13/2012 2:02:00 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull

In a free market, overfishing is its own reward. It tells businesses just about how many can be sustained by the fishing industry which does not have a quickly renewable resource.

How does it tell them? Lower catches.

Lower catches result in both higher prices and fewer fishing businesses able to sustain themselves. And if they fish most of the fish gone, then most of the businesses will go out of business.

That in turn will have fewer catching the fish and give them a chance to recover.

So the bottom line is this: the free market is a better controlling force than is the government. Paying fishermen to stay in business is exactly what should not be done.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 2:02:56 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Paying fishermen to stay in business is exactly what should not be done.

Of that, there's no doubt. Just presenting this as a case where regulation may seem like a good idea, (preserve the fishery) but ultimately ends up as another government hustle, and creation of more government dependents.

18 posted on 09/13/2012 2:08:50 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull
Obama wins New England in Landslide!

Headline day after election this Nov.
19 posted on 09/13/2012 2:33:05 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: j_tull; xzins

If the government will pay for my boat and for me to not fish, I would love to sign on.
Make my boat a 55’ Ketch with all electronics so I cant fish!
:^}


20 posted on 09/13/2012 2:47:21 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: Chickensoup
I heard Rand Paul talk about the loss of freedom in the States as a result of bureaucratic interventions and laws. I will follow him closely, for this is how our freedoms are being usurped.

Yeah, I think the younger Paul is worth watching.

And Chaffee doesn't care so much about the loss of industry as he does about being able to tell the unemployed fishermen that he got them some "free" money.

21 posted on 09/13/2012 2:51:44 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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To: Tzimisce

Sadly, I don’t see anything different. Maybe not New Hampshire, but my fellow Massholes, are Dem to the core.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 2:58:02 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull
Yeah, I think the younger Paul is worth watching.

Agreed, but man, is he a terrible orator.

23 posted on 09/13/2012 2:59:57 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: BfloGuy

Pls see post 23, I replied to the wrong one.


24 posted on 09/13/2012 3:01:25 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep Congress Kennedy Free - Sean Bielat for Congress #MA4)
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To: j_tull
Industry is devastated by federal regulations

They say that like it's an accident.

25 posted on 09/13/2012 3:03:09 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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Linc Chaffee and his bosom buddy,Osama Obama,have been doing a bang up job for Rhode Island....10.8% unemployment,second only to California's 12% as the highest in the nation.
26 posted on 09/13/2012 3:23:58 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: xzins

Excellent and clearly reasoned post. Central planning never works, yet people always say, “if you fail to plan, you plan to fail” not realizing that the “you” is an individual, not a committee or a bureaucracy.

Fishing stocks will come back if the government let some fishermen go out of business. Instead you let them keep their livelihood by taxing mine.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 3:34:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: xzins
Lower catches result in both higher prices and fewer fishing businesses able to sustain themselves. And if they fish most of the fish gone, then most of the businesses will go out of business.

Demand remains the same, and higher prices for the catch motivate fishermen to continue to overfish a declining resource.

Unregulated commercial fisheries have repeatedly destroyed stocks of numerous fish species around the world. It's a "Tragedy of the Commons."

This is NOT a case where a free market takes care of itself.

So explain to me why I've never caught a Sturgeon in Chesapeake or Delaware Bay, despite fishing in both bodies of water all of my life?

28 posted on 09/13/2012 4:14:18 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: xzins

On the other hand, there are quite a few species that have been hunted to extinction or irrelevance in modern times for commercial purposes, by industries that weren’t subsidized. The Passenger Pigeon was wiped out in the late 1800s due to the demand for the meat. Many commercial fish species in the Baltic Sea were overfished to the point where they effectively disappeared. The Baltic Sturgeon’s population imploded around 1900, and commercial scale harvests of that species halted - despite that, the species still hasn’t made a come-back, and the governments around the Baltic didn’t subsidize their fisherman to a large degree for the first half of the century.

Subsidies certainly don’t help, but thinking that, if left completely alone, overharvesting of fishing grounds wouldn’t occur, strikes me as optimistic. It’s the nature of the tragedy of the commons.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 5:03:17 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Strategerist
Demand remains the same, and higher prices for the catch

You don't charge more AND have demand stay the same. Demand will go down with higher prices.

I don't know enough about sturgeon to even comment on sturgeon and anyplace.

30 posted on 09/13/2012 7:09:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: JerseyanExile

Would you say there are fewer Baltic sturgeon fishing businesses today?


31 posted on 09/13/2012 7:12:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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