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President Obama's Greatest Foreign Policy Failure: Killing bin Laden
Forbes ^ | 9/13/2012 | Richard Miniter

Posted on 09/13/2012 1:15:37 PM PDT by mojito

....There are three things wrong with the bin Laden raid that suggest Obama is unsuitable as a wartime president: the planning, the execution and most importantly, the aftermath. Let’s examine those in reverse.

Putting publicity ahead of victory.

Obama ran to the cameras and raced to tell the world that bin Laden was dead– just hours after his body bobbed beneath the waves in the wake of the USS Carl Vinson. He was anxious for the credit, not realizing that the credit would keep. He forgot about the military advantage of surprise.

In his hurry, Obama forgot the two trash bags of papers, hard drives and thumb drives that the SEALs had dragged from bin Laden’s lair. Those documents and devices contained a treasure trove of intelligence: the whereabouts of al Qaeda’s senior commanders, the secret sources of funds, its hideouts, its sleeper cells, its pending plots.

With a few weeks to translate and analyze those captured documents, the CIA and other services could have been providing actionable intelligence to guide commandos to the secret locations of al Qaeda leaders all over the world. With the element of surprise and clearly defined targets, nearly every al Qaeda leader could have been killed or captured.

The entire al Qaeda apparatus could have been wiped out. The terror organization could have been eliminated.

If he waited a few weeks, Obama could not have just announced the death of bin Laden, but the death of al Qaeda. This is the best way to end wars, with victory.

Instead, Obama threw it all away for a momentary star-turn before the cameras late on a Sunday night in May 2011.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: binladen; emptychair; obama; obamaiscarter; obamaisclinton; obamaislbj; obamaleaks; opsec
The Muslim Brotherhood is alive and the US economy is dead.
1 posted on 09/13/2012 1:15:42 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Notice that US Troops in Afghanistan continue to die at the same rate as before the killing of Osama.

I don’t think Osama was quite the big fish they made him out to be. Strategically, killing him didn’t mean all that much in the big picture, it served more of a propaganda purpose....That’s why Bush really didn’t care too much about capturing him. It wasn’t the “War on Bin Laden”, it was the “War on Terror”. Sure, I’m glad he’s dead, but Obama has milked way too much out of it than deserved. I’m sure if Bush killed Osama and Republicans cheered as much as the Democrats have, the Democrats would just have accused Republicans of being blood-thirsty yadda yadda.

Remember when Saddam was captured, all they cared about was that he got a fair trial.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 1:21:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: mojito

With a few weeks to translate and analyze those captured documents, the CIA and other services could have been providing actionable intelligence to guide commandos to the secret locations of al Qaeda leaders all over the world. With the element of surprise and clearly defined targets, nearly every al Qaeda leader could have been killed or captured.
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FORBES is an ignorant idiot.
Obama passed on 4 plans... delaying it for months.
i read that we had a post within sight of Obama,
for MONTHS.
certainly i expect that we gathered intelligence.
(in fact, i would have argued, against killing him...
and instead keeping him under surveillence.
...we could have stopped any big attacks,
as long as we did that... for years...
...just as seemed to happen under President Bush...)


3 posted on 09/13/2012 1:21:13 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojito; Noamie

Great article.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 1:23:47 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: mojito

What makes Forbes think that O didn’t want to warn the other Muslims ASAP?


6 posted on 09/13/2012 1:25:55 PM PDT by expat2
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To: mojito

King Obama, an amateur immature fool.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 1:25:59 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: mojito; pnut22
To lightly paraphrase pnut22:

Barack spends a week bragging that he killed Osama.
People storm an embassy saying we are all Osama.
The media blames a movie no one has ever seen or heard of.

8 posted on 09/13/2012 1:26:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1333 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Elendur

but if Forbes thinks that with modern cell phones, communications, and the support of the Pakistani ISI,
that the death of Osama could be kept secret for WEEKS...
that, is simply foolish.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 1:26:34 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur

Hello?


10 posted on 09/13/2012 1:27:06 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: mojito
Not mentioned in the article is the downed helicopter a few weeks after the Osama event which killed some of the SEALS whsaid to be part of the raid.

Did this happen because Obama/Biden publicized info on the mission?

11 posted on 09/13/2012 1:28:41 PM PDT by what's up
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To: mojito
I'm sorry, but this article is acting as if Obama was the only route by which the other terrorists would know Bin Laden was dead. Those around him who were not killed would have SURELY informed those that needed to know, word would have gotten out anyway.

I get the authors point, but lets not pretend either....

12 posted on 09/13/2012 1:28:48 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: mojito

If he waited a few weeks, Obama could not have just
announced the death of bin Laden, but the death of al Qaeda. This is the best way to end wars, with victory.

&&&
He has not desire to eliminate al Qaeda, as their goals and his are similar. And an American victory is anathema to him.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 1:28:51 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: mojito; All

14 posted on 09/13/2012 1:29:21 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mojito

Great article. Too bad MSM will ignore the real story.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 1:29:33 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: null and void

add that it was on 9-11.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 1:31:28 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: dfwgator

Back during the Iraq war, during Bush’s time, the left was all in a tizzy that getting Bin Ladin was the end-all be-all of the response to 9-11.

They even believed it themselves, though it was just their excuse for hating Bush.

That hatred extended from Fla 2000, and the denial of the “Clinton 3rd term” through Algore.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 1:32:13 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: mojito
"...just hours after his body bobbed beneath the waves in the wake of the USS Carl Vinson..."


18 posted on 09/13/2012 1:32:24 PM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: mojito

> The entire al Qaeda apparatus could have been wiped out. The
> terror organization could have been eliminated.

It can be said that Obama’s failure renders him responsible for each and every death that results from al Qaeda terrorism.


19 posted on 09/13/2012 1:33:13 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: mojito

Killing Osama was bad!?

Did Michael Moore write this article?

Please tell us how we should have announced it. Should we have said nothing?

This argument is cowardly and dishonors those he murdered and so do those of you who have twisted this into pretzel logic.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 1:34:21 PM PDT by sakic
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To: null and void
He wasn't even there!


21 posted on 09/13/2012 1:37:44 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1333 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dfwgator
I’m sure if Bush killed Osama and Republicans cheered as much as the Democrats have, the Democrats would just have accused Republicans of being blood-thirsty yadda yadda.

You mean like island layabout Charlie Rangel's hand wringing over Saddam's raping and murdering sons, Usay and Quday?

"We have a law on the books that the United States should not be assassinating anybody," Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-NY, told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes." "We tried to assassinate Castro and we paid dearly for it," the Rangel contended. "And when you personalize the war and you say you're killing someone's kids, then they, in turn, think they can kill somebody."
Yes, those crazy Hussein kids. Just a couple of pranksters known for dipping girls' pigtails in inkwells and tying cans on car bumpers.
22 posted on 09/13/2012 1:40:25 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: sakic

There should have been a live perp-walk with bin Laden at the end of a short chain-link leash and a steel collar around his f*cking neck.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 1:40:26 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Elendur

but if Forbes thinks that with modern cell phones, communications, and the support of the Pakistani ISI,
that the death of Osama could be kept secret for WEEKS...
that, is simply foolish. . . .

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Perhaps not so foolish.

If no one knows who did it they may have thought that Pakistan did it. In that case Alqueda operatives would have thought themselves safe.

At any rate they surely could have had at least a few days if not for the show and tell of Obama. He surely wanted the Moslem Extreemist to be safe.


24 posted on 09/13/2012 1:42:52 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: mojito
Special Operations OPSEC targets Obama for reckless intelligence leaks (FR thread)

Dishonorable Disclosures (22:00 Youtube video)

Special Operations (OPSEC) (website to get involved)

(Use keywords 'obamaleaks' and 'opsec' for this topic)

25 posted on 09/13/2012 2:03:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: sakic

Did you read the article, or are your really that dense?

Allow me to summarize for you. You can’t interrogate a corpse. OBL had valuable info that could have been used to gut AQ. Or, if Obama had delayed the announcement, the intel captured would have been very useful, before the AQ rats scurried away. The way it was done wasted a great opportunity.

See?


26 posted on 09/13/2012 2:19:36 PM PDT by Lucas McCain (Eat a live frog first thing in the morning, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day.)
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To: Lucas McCain

I see perfectly.

What you clearly cannot see is that Al Qaeda is a decentralized organization. They operate as rogue cells.

To not understand that erasing the man who killed thousands of innocents was a good thing is to declare yourself dense.

Killing Osama does not bring peace, but it does rid us of vermin.

Does it destroy their group? No.

We would have gotten almost no value from keeping him alive. What we would have gotten was lots of hostage situations.

If Bush had killed him you would hail him, as I would have. It is the one good thing Obama has done.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 2:56:26 PM PDT by sakic
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To: Elendur

After months of stalling, Obama finally gave the go ahead to kill Bin Laden, just when he needed to change the headlines from his fake Birth Certificate.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 4:27:46 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Elendur

Maybe, but there is a lot they could have kept under wraps for a while to not signal everything.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 4:42:17 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: dfwgator

So you could almost say obama shot us in the foot. As long as osama was alive, al quaeda was being run by a sick old man, forced to change his hiding places frequently. Not conductive to planning big terrorists attacks. But now with him dead, al quaeda has a new, younger leader who can stand the strain and a bunch of pissed off followers out for our blood for killing their leader.


30 posted on 09/13/2012 5:39:04 PM PDT by DancingMyRainbow
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To: sakic
Please tell us how we should have announced it. Should we have said nothing?

Miniter is saying that the announcement should've been delayed for a few days -- at least until the resultant intelligence could be analyzed and acted upon.

Obama's hasty announcement foreclosed on this potential benefit.

31 posted on 09/13/2012 7:27:28 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: mojito
[Forbes article] Instead, Obama threw it all away for a momentary star-turn before the cameras late on a Sunday night in May 2011.

No, he didn't. He threw it all away for the sake of throwing it all away, to minimize the damage to Al-Q'aeda.

He did it to harm the American People, by minimizing their victory over their dire enemy.

32 posted on 09/13/2012 9:07:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: DancingMyRainbow
But now with him dead, al quaeda has a new, younger leader who can stand the strain and a bunch of pissed off followers out for our blood for killing their leader.

Still, not all is lost; the benefit of so many drone strikes and special operations has been rolling up, so that the new generation of Al-Q'aeda leadership has a broad quality deficit compared with what they had 12 years ago. Mohamed Atta was an architect, and Mohammed Atef was a retired Egyptian policeman. Other than the physician Abu Ayman, they've no people of quality and education like that any more. Most of their senior people now are knuckle-walkers, guys who came up gunslinging, compared with that first group.

33 posted on 09/13/2012 9:12:58 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: musicman
Cute. Needs to be a PAC campaign poster.

Something someone pointed out that I never noticed: Barky has a jacket on, slung over his golfing clothes ..... when they dragged him in off the course to watch the op. The pickle puss says it all, how much he appreciated what the SEALs were doing .... and then a month later, they were dead. Was that a coincidence or not?

34 posted on 09/13/2012 9:17:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: dfwgator
I’m sure if Bush killed Osama and Republicans cheered as much as the Democrats have, the Democrats would just have accused Republicans of being blood-thirsty yadda yadda.

Alternatively, the Dems, with Bin Laden dead, might have turned around and demanded Bush exit The Suck immediately -- and Afghanistan would have reverted to Taliban control after a couple of years -- which the 'Rats could use to berate Bush again, with cover from the MSM for their own role in ending the war prematurely.

35 posted on 09/13/2012 9:36:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

“He did it to harm the American People, by minimizing their victory over their dire enemy.”

He had a choice and the choice Obama made was to martyr bin Laden because he knew bin Laden was never going to martyr himself.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 2:44:27 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: okie01

I understand and disagree with his point.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 6:20:37 AM PDT by sakic
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To: equaviator

Yeah, I’m sure that would have prevented the recent attacks.


38 posted on 09/14/2012 6:25:02 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Paradox
I'm sorry, but this article is acting as if Obama was the only route by which the other terrorists would know Bin Laden was dead. Those around him who were not killed would have SURELY informed those that needed to know, word would have gotten out anyway.

While you are not incorrect, there is a BIG difference between blasting it around the world with the big podium of the American presidency and finding it out as a rumor or through the grapevine. Even a few extra days would have made a big difference.

Supporting your point, though, the current whitehouse staff is comprised of hacks and massive egoists. They couldn't keep a surprise party for a five-year old secret much less a secret of this magnitude. Now that I think about it, that describes the current president as well...unless you asking for his birth certificate, his college records, etc., etc.

39 posted on 09/14/2012 9:57:57 AM PDT by WileyC
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To: what's up

The SEALS killed on the helo were killed because the Rules of Engagement.

“These were the conditions into which Extortion 17 flew. While they were flying under the escort of two AH-64D Apache helicopters and an AC-130 gunship, because of the rules of engagement and the possibility that there were friendlies in the area, the escorts were not allowed to lay down assault fire around the landing zone.

As Extortion 17 was on its final approach to the landing zone, a Taliban crew appeared on top of a two-story qalat (a mud brick house) and fired off at least two RPGs at the helicopter. The second RPG struck near the back rotor of the Chinook, causing the crash.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/15/Seal-Team-Six-Family-ROE


40 posted on 10/23/2012 10:32:23 AM PDT by huldah1776
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