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POLL: OBAMA UP 5 IN D+11 POLL (it's another Blivet Poll! - LOL!)
Breitbart/Big Government ^ | 9-13-2012 | Mike Flynn

Posted on 09/13/2012 3:24:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing

September 13, 2012

POLL: OBAMA UP 5 IN D+11 POLL

Mike Flynn

Today's RCP Average of presidential polls show Obama leading Romney by a little more than 3 points. A big reason for this is the abundance of polls featuring heavily Democrat skews in their samples. Juice the numbers enough and you can show just about any Obama lead you want. Garbage in, garbage out, as they say. A good example of this is today's Democracy Corps poll. It shows Obama with a 5-point lead over Romney. Of course, the sample for the poll is D+11.

Now, I get tired of saying this but the electorate is not going to be more Democrat this November than it was in 2008. And, the Democrats are certainly not going to increase their share of the electorate by 50%. This is just fantasy. But, its a fantasy with a very specific purpose.

If these polls were weighted to reflect realistic assumptions about the electorate in November, Obama's lead would not only evaporate, but Romney would probably post a modest lead. Even in heavily-skewed polls like this one, Romney leads Obama on who can better handle the economy. Only be massively over-sampling Democrats can Romney's advantage on this be partially obscured.

Since the end of the DNC convention and the dismal August jobs report, the media have been rushing to declare Obama the certain winner of the race. Joe Weisenthal at TheBusinessInsider even hilariously declared that the "election is over." It is a conscious effort to deflate GOP voters and drive down their turnout. It could also be a bit of self-medication. Maybe they soothe themselves by thinking if they just say "obama is winning" enough times it will prove to be so. ....

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012electionbias; 2012polls; blivetpoll; collusion; dnctalkingpoints; lietothekufir; polls; zogbyism
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Great comment from Brietbart poster "NEEDSLEEPE"

"Thanks again, Mr. Flynn, but enough with the polls, please!

You may wish to refer to improperly weighted polls as "blivets', A blivet is defined as ten pounds of horse manure in a five pound bag!

Save some ink, write a single line ie; Gallup released another blivet today! We Breitbartians will know exactly what you mean!"

1 posted on 09/13/2012 3:24:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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The only hope the MSM and Team Bambi has is to depress GOP turnout by making them think Romney is going to lose.

Romney and Ryan have to keep them motivated to deny Obama 4 more years, but a side benefit may be that dumb as a brick leftist voters might stay home thinking O has it in the bag.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 3:28:11 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: smoothsailing
I actually got a call from a polling company today while I was at WORK so I didn't have time to answer their questions. They obviously oversample the ghetto slugs that don't work but usually vote Democrat.
3 posted on 09/13/2012 3:31:44 PM PDT by tobyhill (Obamacare, the final nail in the US coffin.)
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To: smoothsailing

This is just the start. This group of debris is going to pull out every corrupt, filth, thuggish, unethical lying, and evil trick possible to get Obama reelected.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 3:33:30 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: smoothsailing
“Blivet Poll”...I love it, what a great moniker for these trash polls that have been over polling Dems, we're going to see a lot more of them.
5 posted on 09/13/2012 3:37:34 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

/sigh

The reason virtually ALL the polls have a large Democratic skew is because a lot more people identify themselves as Democrats now. It sucks, but there it is. The pollsters who do the Fox News polling even painstakingly explained this phenomenon with the release of one of the their recent polls. That doesn’t mean that more people will automatically favor the Democrat or Republican generic ballot (Rasmussen has the Democrats leading by 2 on the generic ballot right now), it simply just means when asked a LOT more people identify themselves as Democrats.

Whining about the polls is a waste of time. First, they are likely correct or at least within the ballpark, and second, because it is better to run as if we’re behind anyway.


6 posted on 09/13/2012 3:37:44 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: smoothsailing; All

1) there’s no breakdown of preference by party so they don’t tell you how the Independents voted in this poll...

2) Q 90/page ten; “do you think of yourself as a rat/Republican/or what?” with Indy leaners rats = 40% GOP = 43%...don’t know what to make of it...

3) q 93/page ten; “in political terms are you liberal, moderate. conservative?” libs = 22%, conservatives = 39%


7 posted on 09/13/2012 3:37:56 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: God luvs America; All

bad math on my part...Q 90/page ten 50% rats...


8 posted on 09/13/2012 3:40:43 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Crimson Elephant
but a side benefit may be that dumb as a brick leftist voters might stay home thinking O has it in the bag.

Well, that'll increase our schaedenfreud at his loss.

BUUUUUUUUT...

...think about this: if the Obama campaign and the media (but I repeat myself) drill it into everyone's head that Obama is leading, and the results show a loss, think about how many riots there will be, how easy it'll be to declare a national emergency (especially if there are a couple false-flag "terrorist" bombings mixed in), with Congress not able to meet and validate the results (plus it'll be challenged in dozens of lawsuits). The picture isn't pretty.

Alternatively, it provides plenty of cover for the results of massive voter fraud. Let's say the "polls" show a 3 point lead for Zero, and he wins by 0.5 points - the fact that there might have been 5 or 7 points of fraud would be made irrelevant in practice because the response to such accusations would always be, "how could there have been fraud if Obama won by less than the polls of only a few days before the election showed him with a 5 point lead?"

9 posted on 09/13/2012 3:41:35 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

NBC/Marist jsut did again. They have Ombama up 6 to 7 in FL, VA and OH...


10 posted on 09/13/2012 3:43:21 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Longbow1969

More people identify themselves as DEM but not by 11%. Rasmussen says the margin is very low now. More and more people are identifying themselves Republican. The polls are using older models.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 3:45:31 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: scbison

lol


12 posted on 09/13/2012 3:46:05 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: smoothsailing
At age 84 my father has never (to my knowledge) voted for a Republican Presidential candidate. He will do so for the first time this November. I believe Dad represents a significant number of Dems who will be doing the same.
13 posted on 09/13/2012 3:47:37 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: smoothsailing

This pollaganda could backfire on the Obambi Media. The Silent Majority wants Obama gone. They’ll be doubly sure to vote if the think Obama has a chance.

The possibility that Obama might be ahead (these polls are skewed but they are not totally 180 off from reality, Obama is not behind), motivates me and I hope motivates other patriots to pitch in and pitch Obama OUT.

REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!


14 posted on 09/13/2012 3:51:11 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: snarkytart

I tweeted FChuck Tood to give me breakdwon of D and R and FL and VA are less Dems than 08 exits and OH slightly more Deems.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 3:51:11 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Ancesthntr

“...think about this: if the Obama campaign and the media (but I repeat myself) drill it into everyone’s head that Obama is leading, and the results show a loss”

... the end result is predictable: Unhinged leftists will proclaim the election stolen via voter suppression and fraud, they are already setting up to do that. Voter ID is their scapegoat.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 3:55:38 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: WOSG

I worry that the fake polls are a set up for stealing the election. “See, we told you 0 was “ahead” in the polls, all along.”


17 posted on 09/13/2012 3:59:50 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: snarkytart

You know one sure way to know you are losing election? Your side sits around complaining about polls. Right now that is legion on our side.

Sorry, but the polls are right. The country HAS become more Democratic - partially due to the fact that Americans tend to LIKE Obama and feel comfortable affiliating themselves with his party. This is a serious problem for us, but just because they loosely identify themselves as Democrats doesn’t mean they will pull the lever for Obama and Democratic candidates. But make no mistake, it makes winning elections more difficult.


18 posted on 09/13/2012 4:00:29 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: jazusamo
“Blivet Poll”...I love it,

LOOK, another Blivet Poll! :o)


19 posted on 09/13/2012 4:03:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

“Today’s RCP Average of presidential polls show Obama leading Romney by a little more than 3 points.”

That is just it. With all the garbage polls out there it is going to skew the RCP average.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 4:04:48 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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