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President Obama’s ‘Ally’ Remark on Egypt Was Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
New Yorg magazine ^ | 9/13/2012 | Dan Amira

Posted on 09/13/2012 9:13:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In 1989, Egypt was officially designated as an American ally — specifically, a "Major Non-NATO Ally," a status granting it various privileges — and it has remained one ever since. That is, until yesterday, when President Obama made a surprising remark in a Telemundo interview: Jose Diaz Balart: Would you consider the current Egyptian regime an ally of the United States?

Pres. Obama: I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy. They’re a new government that is trying to find its way. They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident. According to Foreign Policy, Obama had not anticipated the question but was likely trying to pressure Egypt into being a bit more cooperative amidst protests on the American embassy in Cairo, which earlier this week resulted in the American flag being burned and replaced with a black Islamist banner. But apparently Obama went a little further than he would have liked, and the inevitable walk-back soon commenced:

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor told The Cable Thursday that the administration is not signaling a change in that status.

"I think folks are reading way too much into this," Vietor said. "‘Ally' is a legal term of art. We don't have a mutual defense treaty with Egypt like we do with our NATO allies. But as the president has said, Egypt is longstanding and close partner of the United States, and we have built on that foundation by supporting Egypt's transition to democracy and working with the new government."

Meanwhile, the AP reports that the Twitter feeds of the American embassy in Cairo and the Muslim Brotherhood have been sassing each other today:

It started when Ikhwanweb, the Twitter page of the Muslim Brotherhood, retweeted a message in English from the group's deputy head, Khairat el-Shater.

"We r relieved none of (at)USEmbassyCairo staff were harmed & hope US-Eg relations will sustain turbulence of Tuesday's events."

"Thanks," the embassy replied. "By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."

"We understand you're under a lot of stress," came the Ikhwanweb retort, "but still it will be more helpful if you point out exactly the Arabic feed of concern." Maybe Egypt's designation should be changed to "Major Non-NATO Frenemy," after all.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911ii; diplomacy; egypt; factual; foreignpolicy; gaffes; muslimbrotherhood; notfactual; obama; obameltdown; obamgaffes; toallyornottoally

1 posted on 09/13/2012 9:13:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It’s pretty bad when Carter has to come out and Correct Obama


2 posted on 09/13/2012 9:15:02 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

WTH??????


3 posted on 09/13/2012 9:17:57 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: nickcarraway
Oh Brother ! Here we go again! Does it depend on the meaning of the word "is"? Why do the Rats have to go through all sorts of metaphysical gymnastics to explain their improvident pronouncements yet the press doesn't call them on it? Never mid - I know the answer to that question.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

4 posted on 09/13/2012 9:18:49 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: nickcarraway
President Obama’s ‘Ally’ Remark on Egypt Was Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement

Let's be real folks. Nothing Obama says is intended to be a factual statement.

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Ob-la-di Ob-a-ma, lies go on, brah!

Lala, how the lies go on.

5 posted on 09/13/2012 9:19:26 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: nickcarraway

Definition: Lie:Was Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement


6 posted on 09/13/2012 9:19:59 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: markman46

“WTH??????”

A little OJT.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 9:20:36 PM PDT by jessduntno ("President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: nickcarraway

For once Obambi gets something right and the State Department “walks it back”.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 9:21:59 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: nickcarraway

If you believe what I tell you then it’s not a lie. sarc


9 posted on 09/13/2012 9:23:57 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: nickcarraway

DAMN!!!! I just blew coke all over my computer screen. I don’t know whether to laugh, cry, or get drunk. Since it’s Friday, I’ll probably do all three tonight.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 9:24:44 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: nickcarraway
President Obama’s {insert foot in mouth} Remark on {latest victim} Was Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement

There, ready for well, just about any and every day of the week. Nothing hussein says can be taken as "factual."

11 posted on 09/13/2012 9:29:09 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: nickcarraway

Egypt was an ally under Mubarak. The new government is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood. So Obama was right — that government is NOT an ally.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 9:31:03 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Ronin

Sorry, I’m not paying for your screen. Try Obama.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 9:32:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Ronin

Leave the coke on the mirror where it belongs...er...so I hear ;)


14 posted on 09/13/2012 9:37:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: nickcarraway
Major non-NATO ally (MNNA) is a designation given by the United States government to close allies who have strategic working relationships with US Armed Forces but are not members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). While the MNNA status does not automatically include a mutual defense pact with the United States, it does confer a variety of military and financial advantages that otherwise are not obtainable by non-NATO countries.

Nations named as major non-NATO allies are eligible for the following benefits:

entry into cooperative research and development projects with the Department of Defense (DoD) on a shared-cost basis

participation in certain counter-terrorism initiatives purchase of depleted uranium anti-tank rounds

priority delivery of military surplus (ranging from rations to ships)

possession of War Reserve Stocks of DoD-owned equipment that are kept outside of American military bases

loans of equipment and materials for cooperative research and development projects and evaluations

permission to use American financing for the purchase or lease of certain defense equipment

reciprocal training

expedited export processing of space technology

permission for the country's corporations to bid on certain DoD contracts for the repair and maintenance of military equipment outside the United States

The following countries have been designated as major non-NATO allies of the United States (in order of their appointment):

Named by George H. W. Bush

Egypt (1989) Israel (1989) Japan (1989) South Korea (1989)

Named by Bill Clinton

Jordan (1996) New Zealand (1997) Argentina (1998)

Named by George W. Bush

Bahrain (2002) Philippines (2003) Thailand (2003) Kuwait (2004) Morocco (2004) Pakistan (2004)

Named by Barack Obama

Afghanistan

15 posted on 09/13/2012 9:46:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Redcloak

Obama got it very wrong.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 9:48:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: nickcarraway

At least that’s consistent with all the other statements he’s ever made.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 9:53:10 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: nickcarraway

He just wanted to see if anyone in Egypt was listening. Yeah, that’s the ticket!


18 posted on 09/13/2012 9:53:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TBP
Egypt was designated a Major non-NATO ally by Bush 41. See post #15. The change in Egypt's leadership does not change the designation. The President and Congress must change it.

MNNA status was first created in 1989 when section 2350a, otherwise known as the Nunn Amendment, was added to Title 10 (Armed Forces) of the United States Code by Congress. It stipulated that cooperative research and development agreements could be enacted with non-NATO allies by the Secretary of Defense with the concurrence of the Secretary of State. Initial MNNAs were Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, and South Korea.

In 1996 major non-NATO allies received additional military and financial benefits when section 2321k was added to Title 22 (Foreign Relations) of the U.S. Code (also known as section 517 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961), which added MNNAs to many of the same exemptions from the Arms Export Control Act that were enjoyed by NATO members. It also authorized the President to designate a nation as an MNNA thirty days after notifying Congress. When enacted, the statute designated Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, New Zealand, and South Korea as major non-NATO allies.

19 posted on 09/13/2012 9:54:08 PM PDT by kabar
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To: nickcarraway

Must have been intended to be a composite statement.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 9:54:14 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: nickcarraway

You gotta give them credit for consistency.

NOTHING they say is intended to be factual.


21 posted on 09/13/2012 10:14:32 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: nickcarraway

“Not intended to be factual” - does that mean he was just talking out of his ass? A simple bull session? It was to make him appear ‘funny’? No, hell no, a thousand times no. He is simply stupid. Nope, no need for him to go to any intel meetings with his inate knowledge. A regular Einstein.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 10:30:10 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: nickcarraway

“I had my fingers crossed.”


23 posted on 09/13/2012 10:34:25 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: kabar
The following countries have been designated as major non-NATO allies of the United States (in order of their appointment):
Named by George H. W. Bush
Egypt (1989) Israel (1989) Japan (1989) South Korea (1989)

Hey, we're down here - Australia (1989)

Actually until now, I thought the original 5 was the complete list.

And I don't see any of the 10 added since 1989 as meeting both the requirements of "major" and "ally" - JMO

24 posted on 09/13/2012 10:42:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: nickcarraway
"I think folks are reading way too much into this," Vietor said. "‘Ally' is a legal term of art...

Typical of the verbal diarrhea you have to swallow when the masses elect shysters to try to run the government.

25 posted on 09/13/2012 10:50:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: kabar

Obama said that Egypt is not an ally of the United States. That statement was correct; they are not an ally by any stretch of the imagination. Hillary’s State Department then spanked the Community Organizer in Chief and went back to pretending that they are an ally.


26 posted on 09/13/2012 11:09:09 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: nickcarraway

Everytime one of the strings breaks O'Bozo gets into trouble.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 11:44:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: nickcarraway

COMPLETE and TOTAL AMATEUR HOUR at the WHITE HOUSE.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 11:52:14 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: TBP

The State Dept. flack today was trying not to contradict Zero, and claimed that Egypt was not an ally because we don’t have a treaty of alliance with them. Then she tried to pawn it off to the White House for clarification. One reporter pointed out that Egypt has offically been declared a Major Non-Nato Ally for decades, which lets them fast track arms purchases, and have those priveliges been revoked? She had to admit, no, they haven’t. So they are still an ally? Er, well yes, they are an ally.

Priceless.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 2:45:54 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: nickcarraway

Wsas it intended to be a non factual lie?

LLS


30 posted on 09/14/2012 4:36:45 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: nickcarraway

Wsas it intended to be a non factual lie?

LLS


31 posted on 09/14/2012 4:36:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Hugin

——She had to admit, no, they haven’t.——

She usually looks serene. During this encounter she was visibly uncomfortable and perhaps chagrined when she was outed with the truth. She could never play poker.


32 posted on 09/14/2012 4:51:51 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Redcloak
It depends on what the meaning of the word "ally" means. Congress and the President have officially designated Egypt as a major non-NATO ally, which entitles them to certain benefits and considerations that I have listed.

Obama was wrong and no amount of spinning will change it. It will take Congress and the President to remove this designation from Egypt. Words and laws do have meanings.

33 posted on 09/14/2012 5:03:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Obama was wrong and no amount of spinning will change it. It will take Congress and the President to remove this designation from Egypt. Words and laws do have meanings.

That is clearly racist thinking.

34 posted on 09/14/2012 5:09:26 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: nickcarraway

Of course he can’t be taken seriously, he’s not the president of the US, he’s a popstar. Ruling over the huddled masses is something he does when he’s not on the Letterman SHow.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 7:11:04 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: nickcarraway
Hillary must be purple with rage...her and bill have real political savvy...her having to fix his incompetence must really get under her scales
36 posted on 09/14/2012 7:14:20 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Hattie

Well Barry used up the phrase that “his decision is evolving” to be able to test the winds of reaction on this one.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 7:17:32 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Guilty but not prosecuted? Sounds like a liberal to me.)
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To: Hugin

Not anymore, they’re not. Not with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge. With the Muslim Brotherhood in charge, they may be Obama’s ally, but they’re not America’s.


38 posted on 09/14/2012 7:34:33 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: nickcarraway

“‘Ally’ is a legal term of art.”

What kind of airy-fairy crap is that? A term of art?!?


39 posted on 09/14/2012 7:39:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Ronin

...I just blew blow...


40 posted on 09/14/2012 7:58:52 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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