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3 GOP Electoral College members say they may not vote for Republican ticket of Romney/Ryan
Washington Post ^ | September 13, 2012 | AP

Posted on 09/13/2012 10:03:08 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party’s presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the next president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.

The electors — all supporters of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul — told The Associated Press they are exploring options should Mitt Romney win their states. They expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul’s conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters.

“They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that. I’d like to show them how disgusted I am,” said Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa mother of three who was selected as a Republican elector earlier this year. She said Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.

The defection of multiple electors would be unprecedented in the last 116 years of U.S. politics. It also would raise the remote possibility that the country could even end up with a president and vice president from different parties.

Because so-called faithless electors are rare, the position of elector is largely viewed as symbolic. Each party chooses people to serve as electors in the 50 states, and electors from the winning party convene in each state capital in December to officially select the president and vice president.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: Nevada; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012election; electoralcollege; electors; larouchies; lyndonlarouche; paulestinians; paultards
I just checked on the state laws - Nevada electors are bound by law to cast their votes for whoever wins the state general election, so the threat by Eastman is empty. Texas and Iowa, on the other hand, have no such laws.
1 posted on 09/13/2012 10:03:16 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

The clown from Iowa has been replaced. Funny how nakedly Fascist the Paul bots are. “Screw what the voters say, I am voting for who I want”.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:53 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: JerseyanExile

There is NO Ron Paul conservative movement, Ron Paul is not a conservative.


3 posted on 09/13/2012 10:04:56 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: JerseyanExile

The Ron Paul cult is nothing but liberals who have no friends.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 10:06:33 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: svcw

Really an empty grandstand play. Even if the election was close enough for this to matter, all it would do is throw it to the GOP controlled US House.


5 posted on 09/13/2012 10:06:44 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: JerseyanExile

The Iowa Paul-bot is gone, and the Texas guy needs to be removed quickly. I will NOT let Ron Paul-tards give Obama another four years


6 posted on 09/13/2012 10:07:19 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: JerseyanExile

Throw their goatsmellin’ ‘RAT asses back across the aisle with their ‘RAT comrades. Now is no time for moronic and childish antics. We have an election to win. America cannot afford four more years of Soetoro.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 10:08:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: JerseyanExile

PaulBots are agents of Code Pink.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 10:08:52 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: svcw

True, but neither is Romney.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 10:09:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: JerseyanExile

Ron Paul has an uncanny ability to attract some outhouse rat crazy folk around him.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 10:11:46 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: nickcarraway

With the state things are, the only thing that matters is that Romney isn’t Obama.

Sometimes your only choices are the bad choice, and the even worse choice, Romney is the bad choice.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 10:12:56 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: JerseyanExile

We must work to get Republican members of the Electoral College from Blue and Swing States to vote against Obama even if their states vote for Obama.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 10:13:13 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

That would just add ammo to the claim that the Republicans stole the election if Romney wins. And they’ll be crying that from every rooftop.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 10:15:37 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

R-U-N Paul a conservative? Not! He is, however, a joke!


14 posted on 09/13/2012 10:16:40 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: JerseyanExile
Nevada electors are bound by law to cast their votes for whoever wins the state general election, so the threat by Eastman is empty.

There's no penalty to back up that law...
15 posted on 09/13/2012 10:24:48 PM PDT by verum ago (Be a bastard, and Karma'll be a bitch.)
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To: JerseyanExile

great..that means they elect obama and the next few supremes are left wing ..


16 posted on 09/13/2012 10:30:49 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: JerseyanExile

They are just angling for pay offs.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 10:31:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Uncle Slayton

how do you plan that?


18 posted on 09/13/2012 10:32:08 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: svcw

Limited Constitutional Government? Can’t get more Conservative than that.


19 posted on 09/13/2012 10:32:43 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Uncle Slayton
There will be no Republican electors from the states which vote for Obama--all the electors will be Democrats. The only possible exceptions are Maine and Nebraska and Nebraska is more of a danger of the Republicans losing one electoral vote in a state they carry (since electors are chosen by Congressional district with two to the party that carries the state as a whole).

If the outcome is really close, a Paul supporter could vote for Obama instead of Paul. But if Romney wins by just a few votes, expect the Democrats to try to bribe or blackmail Republican electors into switching their votes.

20 posted on 09/13/2012 10:36:25 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Proud2BeRight

Ron Paul people are Occupy Wall Street people who know the Constitution.


21 posted on 09/13/2012 10:45:28 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: JerseyanExile
Why do we never hear about disloyal Democrats? I remember there was an effort to get faithless electors in 2000, maybe 2004 as well.

I can't write what I'd like to do to these Ron Paul people if they throw the election to Obama.

22 posted on 09/13/2012 11:30:18 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 53 days away.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Give them to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Tell the hood they made the movie.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 11:33:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Republican pizza man who only votes for democrats - what's his Freeper name?)
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To: JerseyanExile
"They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that."

What does that even mean? Paul had the same shot in the primaries as everyone else.

24 posted on 09/14/2012 1:12:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: verum ago
There's no penalty to back up that law...

Let me propose one. Tar and feathering.

25 posted on 09/14/2012 2:01:30 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: JerseyanExile

They should be tarred and feathered.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 2:18:17 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.yoututbe.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28)
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To: NoLibZone
Give them to the Muslim Brotherhood.

That would be entirely appropriate, considering that the person they follow has, on Iranian TV, apologized for terrorist bombers and has condemned Israel for operating what amounts to concentration camps. If Paul is right, then they have nothing to worry about.

27 posted on 09/14/2012 2:23:35 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Uncle Slayton

You need to study the Electoral College and how its members are selected.


28 posted on 09/14/2012 5:07:47 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: MNJohnnie

It’s certainly not unprecedented.

A Nixon elector voted for the libertarian ticket in 1972.

I suppose what is meant is that the faithless elector voted for the opponent rather than a 3rd choice?

In 1892, North Dakota cast one vote for Weaver-Field (49.0% popular), one vote for Harrison-Reid (48.5%), and one vote for Cleveland-Stevenson (0%). I don’t know what the law was at the time — whether that was one faithless elector or two.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 5:31:52 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: JerseyanExile

I will never respect Ron Paul until he comes out and tells his supporters, “I won’t defeat Obama. You need to support the person who can.” He can put a stop to this, and if he doesn’t he is just a grandstanding attention whore.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 5:34:57 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: TN4Liberty

the republicans need to unite behind one candidate. romney is not perfect, but we need to get behind him.


31 posted on 09/14/2012 5:36:34 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: MNJohnnie; svcw
all it would do is throw it to the GOP controlled US House

IIRC, it only goes to the House if the electors don't have a majority for any one candidate.

32 posted on 09/14/2012 7:05:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Sporke

I stand by my statement.


33 posted on 09/14/2012 7:09:24 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: JerseyanExile

Certainly not a Ron Paul supporter or booster but just gotta love it seeing the Romneybots get their panties all in a bunch over such nonsensical BS as this article. They’re such a riot.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 7:22:18 AM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: MNJohnnie

That is their right as Electors. In fact, that is part of the reason for the Electoral College.
Fortunately, they CAN be replaced.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 7:25:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TN4Liberty
he is just a grandstanding attention whore.

That is all Ron Paul has ever been!
36 posted on 09/14/2012 7:31:07 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: JerseyanExile
Wasn't the entire point of creating the electoral college to prevent the presidential election from exactly mirroring the popular vote? What is the point of having an electoral college if the electors aren't actually free to vote?

The founders despised pure democracy because it inevitably leads to dictatorship and a loss of freedom. That's why they created the electoral college to prevent the direct popular election of a president. However, despite these efforts, the current electoral college system has been essentially reduced to a slightly skewed form of pure democracy since the college members have to vote exactly as the people do. You may as well not even go through the motions of electing electoral college voters. You may as well, just assign each state a point value and say, whoever carries the most points wins the presidency outright without any need to have the Electoral College vote. The electoral college electors don't play a role in the election anyway if they're forced to vote in a predetermined way.

At this rate, the electoral college may as well be abolished. The difference from pure democracy is almost negligible under the current system.

37 posted on 09/14/2012 11:03:02 AM PDT by old republic
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To: JerseyanExile
Nevada electors are bound by law to cast their votes for whoever wins the state general election, so the threat by Eastman is empty.

Is there a statutory penalty in that law? A law without an enforcement mechanism is only a suggestion.

38 posted on 09/14/2012 11:05:55 AM PDT by old republic
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To: MNJohnnie
The clown from Iowa has been replaced. Funny how nakedly Fascist the Paul bots are. “Screw what the voters say, I am voting for who I want”.

Read Federalist Paper 68. The entire point of the electoral college is to prevent the popular vote from electing the president. The people are supposed to elect people whose judgement they trust to be electors with the independence to cast a vote for whomever they think best suited to the presidency. The Founders did NOT want the people to elect the president directly. By forcing duly elected electors to mirror the popular vote, we are basically allowing direct democracy which the Constitution sought to prevent. However, the progressive media and schools have taught children to worship pure democracy and direct election of EVERY office in the land as an unquestionable dogma, and it is political heresy to teach otherwise.

You may disagree with the Founders design of our Constitutional system and you are free to advocate to change it in anyway you want, but it is not fascism. Fascism is forcing an elected elector to vote for someone for whom they do not wish to vote. Binding the electoral college electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote in each state subverts the Founders vision for our republic and the constitution they designed to protect our liberties. You may as well abolish the electoral college entirely and let the popular vote rule the day. There is almost no significant difference between direct election and the current structuring of the electoral college any way.

39 posted on 09/14/2012 11:26:24 AM PDT by old republic
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To: MNJohnnie

Apparently the last time there was more than one faithless elector was in the 1896 Vice Presidential vote. Four electors pledged to Bryan-Watson instead voted for Bryan-Sewell.

Furthermore, the 1892 result is not mentioned among the faithless electors. So it would appear that North Dakota chose its electors differently back then — not by popular vote. Also that year, 1 Oregon elector voted for Weaver and 1 Ohio elector voted for Cleveland (with Harrison winning the popular vote in both states).


40 posted on 09/14/2012 4:08:30 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: JerseyanExile
They expressed frustration at how Republican leaders have worked to suppress Paul’s conservative movement and his legion of loyal supporters.

Ain't nothing conservative about Paul's "movement".
41 posted on 09/14/2012 4:16:56 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus

I was thinking the exact same thing, there is nothing conservative about the Ron Paul movement. Their goal is to destroy the Republican party, if Obama wins re-election in the meantime, so much the better, as far as the Paulers are concerned.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 4:20:04 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: Eva

There’s not much conservative about the Republican party either, so how can it be all that un-conservative to destroy it? Please don’t confuse “Republican” with conservative.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 4:21:37 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JediJones

You won’t just destroy the Republican Party, you will destroy the country. There is nothing conservative about Ron Paulers. Paulers hate the social conservatives as much as they hate the Republican big spending elite. Paulers are closers to George Soros on foreign policy than they are even the big spending Republicans and no where close to the conservative Republicans.


44 posted on 09/14/2012 4:26:57 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: Eva

Libertarians, including Ron Paul supporters like John Stossel, are ultra-conservative on economics and states’ rights, far moreso than the Republicans. On foreign policy they are isolationist. Where they stand on social conservatism probably varies and depends on the point-of-view. They’d be for repealing Roe vs. Wade and returning the abortion question to the states. But they might not support banning abortion in their own states.


45 posted on 09/14/2012 5:12:01 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JediJones

The Libertarians have no set agenda other than destroying and taking over the Republican party. The Libertarian/ Republicans in WA are more interested in legalized marijuana than anything else. A good percentage of the so-called libertarians in WA are union members, public union members. Reconcile that with being a libertarian, if you can.

They stand for nothing and have no set ideology, other than anti-Republican establishment. John Stossel and a few others might know what they are all about, but not the rest of the supporters.


46 posted on 09/14/2012 9:48:37 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: Eva

Our Nevada electors will not embarrass us again.

We keep putting them in the box, but like rats, they chew through the cardboard.

The fact that someone would even say they would disenfranchise the votes of the people is not Battle Born thinking.


47 posted on 09/16/2012 6:27:15 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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