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3 GOP Electoral College members say they may not vote for Republican ticket of Romney/Ryan [IDIOTS]
Washington Post ^ | September 13, 2012

Posted on 09/14/2012 4:51:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party’s presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the next president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.

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KEYWORDS: 2012; paultards
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Complete asses.
1 posted on 09/14/2012 4:51:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

So Romney wins 497 electoral votes instead of 500.


2 posted on 09/14/2012 4:52:00 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Name them a post their e mails


3 posted on 09/14/2012 4:53:46 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: reefdiver

They heard about all the cash and prizes that were available to Obamacare holdouts and “maverick” Republicans.


4 posted on 09/14/2012 4:55:55 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is BS

Until November 6, there are no electoral college electors. The election decides who the electors actually are. Until the election, there are no electors


5 posted on 09/14/2012 4:56:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SoFloFreeper

Our Framers set up a good system for Presidential elections. If nothing else, it drives the rats crazy.

BTW, the Framers thought most elections would end up in the House of Reps. In their view, the state electors served more as a nominating committee.

There is no crisis when an election ends up decided as per the Constitution.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 4:59:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There was no way in hell I was going to vote for mcromney.... until 1979 redux happened.....

carter was bad enough... this guy is a joke...

fubo has done what others could not possibly do, made me WANT to vote for mcromney...


7 posted on 09/14/2012 5:00:16 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Name them an post their e mails


8 posted on 09/14/2012 5:01:43 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is a “hope and change” story from WaPo.

By planting this disingenuous item, they “hope” to “change” your mind about voting for the Republican ticket.

America will begin to rise from the ashes on November 6th!


9 posted on 09/14/2012 5:07:24 AM PDT by Walrus (Restoring America starts today! Let's roll!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
And the Washington Post loves it!!!! While reading this I'll bet that Osama Obama,Alexrod *and* Valerie Jarret climaxed in their pants.And as for Ron Paul and his robots...GO FORNICATE YOURSELVES,YOU LOSERS!
10 posted on 09/14/2012 5:08:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: bert
Until November 6, there are no electoral college electors.

I think they're chosen by the candidates *before* the election.It's after the election that they're empaneled or seated.

11 posted on 09/14/2012 5:10:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is why Paultards need to be ejected from the party. This is precisely why the GOP rewrote the rules at the convention. It wasn’t aimed at the Tea Party or grass roots, it was an effort to purge these Paulbots from the party.

Paultards never, ever had an intention of voting for the eventual nominee. They are in fact working against R/R. And these people hate social conservatives as much as they do Willard. They are part of the reason the convention lacked fire. The floor was divided because these Paultards and their invited guests were not supporting the speakers and doing things like inviting other Ron Paul supporters like Code Pink in.

Paultards should be banned from every conservative forum and completely removed from the party at all levels. Let these conspiracy mongers go try to take over the Democratic party.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 5:12:38 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Jacquerie

Agreed! Didn’t it take something like 36 votes in the House to elect Jefferson President?


13 posted on 09/14/2012 5:17:55 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Gay State Conservative

OK, I’ll buy that but doubt they would be chosen if they defect before the fact


14 posted on 09/14/2012 5:18:11 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

There are electors. You vote for them, not the candidate per se.
And they’re not obligated to actually vote for the candidate in turn.
A big check and a baseball bat should ensure enough vote for the Obama


15 posted on 09/14/2012 5:18:11 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Jacquerie

Sadly, NOTHING has been “...per the Constitution” since Obama has been in office.


16 posted on 09/14/2012 5:18:20 AM PDT by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: Jacquerie

Sadly, NOTHING has been “...per the Constitution” since Obama has been in office.


17 posted on 09/14/2012 5:18:29 AM PDT by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: Madam Theophilus

I meant, 36 rounds of voting


18 posted on 09/14/2012 5:19:07 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: SoFloFreeper
Complete asses.

More like clowns.

19 posted on 09/14/2012 5:27:13 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local Republican candidates. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Election officials said they may turn to the courts to enforce the law if an elector strayed.

They may be able to jail a faithless elector, though even that isn't certain. I very much doubt the courts can go back and order his vote changed. Nor should they be able to.

The whole tenor of the article is weird. The GOP electors were elected on the basis they would vote for the GOP candidate, not a person of their choice. If they decide that can not in good conscience vote to Romney, the honorable thing to do is resign, not violate their agreement.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 5:29:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What happens if they do this? How could they be sanctioned?


21 posted on 09/14/2012 5:32:09 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: bert

Bingo... More of the manipulation of even republicans will vote for obama... Just the propogandist taking advantage of a dumbed down country.

The electoral college members are anointed by the campaif after the election is won


22 posted on 09/14/2012 5:52:01 AM PDT by Vlaxo
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ron Paul and some of his supporters, are, in their own way, a bunch of maniacs. Listen to Paul talk foreign policy is like listening to a fifth grader.

He’s nuts.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 5:57:34 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.yoututbe.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28)
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To: SoFloFreeper
She said Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.

Yeah, it's much better for an elector to ignore the will of the state they represent. Which part of "represent" do you not understand?

24 posted on 09/14/2012 6:04:17 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I suspect this will be a far more serious problem for the Dufus. If I recall correctly, there have been several anybody but that idiot candidates who have done very well in Rat primaries ... mainly in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee ... but conceivably they could spring up just about everywhere.

25 posted on 09/14/2012 6:08:16 AM PDT by Zakeet (Calling the Obozo/Bernack economy sluggish is an insult to slugs)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Can you say Ron PaulBots. GOP has been infested by this group.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 6:13:45 AM PDT by elephant
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To: SoFloFreeper
For what it's worth...............

What is the Electoral College?

Who Selects the Electors?

The process for selecting electors varies throughout the United States. Generally, the political parties nominate electors at their State party conventions or by a vote of the party's central committee in each State.

Electors are often selected to recognize their service and dedication to their political party. They may be State-elected officials, party leaders, or persons who have a personal or political affiliation with the Presidential candidate.

Then the voters in each State choose the electors on the day of the general election. The electors' names may or may not appear on the ballot below the name of the candidates running for President, depending on the procedure in each State.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 6:20:02 AM PDT by deport
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To: Madam Theophilus
Something like that.

Imagine if the 17th Amendment did not exist and State legislatures alone (no popular input) decided whom to nominate for President/Vice Prez?

I know one thing, the welfare state and the fourth branch, the administrative state, would hardly exist.

28 posted on 09/14/2012 6:24:14 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

“BTW, the Framers thought most elections would end up in the House of Reps. In their view, the state electors served more as a nominating committee.”

Can you share a reference for this?


29 posted on 09/14/2012 6:24:24 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: outofsalt
Certainly.

Start here, and I'll look among the embedded citations for the exact date and Framer's comments.

31 posted on 09/14/2012 6:32:35 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Longbow1969

my wife was upset this happened but I tried to explain to her that the Branch Paulianians were using procedural tricks to muck things up and this was an attempt to head them off..


32 posted on 09/14/2012 6:36:41 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Why doesn’t the party replace these electors?


33 posted on 09/14/2012 6:40:32 AM PDT by 21st Century Crusader
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To: freewild

He was my last choice.

However, he is the nominee and he is light years ahead of Obama. For the most part, he has been saying all the right things and he picked a GREAT running mate.

Romney DID run a successful buisness and a state while BO never ran anything at all.

And if you are following events in the Middle East, BO and Hillary’s mishandling of foreign affairs is eclipsed only by their miserable performance in the economic sphere.

We need a change from a Marxist Muslim and ROmney is it.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 6:42:44 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.yoututbe.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28)
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To: outofsalt
At my link in post #31, go to September 5th and scroll down to the comments by Charles Pinckney John Rutlidge and George Mason.

>>Mr. PINKNEY renewed his opposition to the mode, arguing 1. [FN8] that the electors will not have sufficient knowledge of the fittest men, & will be swayed by an attachment to the eminent men of their respective States. Hence 2dly. the dispersion of the votes would leave the appointment with the Senate, and as the President's reappointment will thus depend on the Senate he will be the mere creature of that body. 3. [FN8] He will combine with the Senate agst. the House of Representatives. 4. [FN8] This change in the mode of election was meant to get rid of the ineligibility of the President a second time, whereby he will become fixed for life under the auspices of the Senate.

>>Mr. RUTLIDGE was much opposed to the plan reported by the Committee. It would throw the whole power into the Senate. He was also against a re-eligibility. He moved to postpone the Report under consideration & take up the original plan of appointment by the Legislature, to wit. "He shall be elected by joint ballot by the Legislature to which election a majority of the votes of the members present shall be required: He shall hold his office during the term of seven years; but shall not be elected a second time."

>>Col. MASON admitted that there were objections to an appointment by the Legislature as originally planned. He had not yet made up his mind, but would state his objections to the mode proposed by the Committee. 1. [FN10] It puts the appointment in fact into the hands of the Senate, as it will rarely happen that a majority of the whole votes will fall on any one candidate: and as the Existing President will always be one of the 5 highest, his reappointment will of course depend on the Senate. 2. [FN10] Considering the powers of the President & those of the Senate, if a coalition should be established between these two branches, they will be able to subvert the Constitution-The great objection with him would be removed by depriving the Senate of the eventual election. He accordingly moved to strike out the words "if such number be a majority of that of the electors."

On the next day, September 6th, the Framers moved the election from the Senate to the House, where it remains today.

35 posted on 09/14/2012 6:47:26 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: reefdiver

They are named in the article. They are Ron Paul supporters willing to throw the election to Obama if they can because their candidate did not win the primary and the RNC would not put up with their shenanigans...many of the Paul supporters actually believe he legitimately won the nomination but that Romney and the RNC “stole” it from him.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 7:03:02 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

She needs to re-read the Constitution - it was set up to make sure each state had a voice according to their populations, but also so that the smallest states would also have a minimal voice and not be completely drowned out by the larger states. The Constitution also states clearly the Electors are to be chosen in a manner decided by the States - and in her State, the method is to allow the people to choose how their Electoral Votes will be allocated. Her conduct will end up adding fuel to the fire to get rid of the Electoral College altogether. I guess the Paulites want the foundations of our Republic destroyed.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 7:07:58 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: freewild

Do you really believe these Ron Paul supporters would have acted any differently with any nominee other than Paul himself?


38 posted on 09/14/2012 7:29:44 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ZULU
I have made it very clear that I am supporting Governor Romney--Why & How To Support Romney/Ryan--but your comment about Dr. Paul's foreign policy is absolutely ludicrous.

It is Paul, who alone in the debates, has shown an historic grasp of foreign policy considerations--as well as a clear understanding of the strength & benefit of traditional American Foreign Policy--the legacy of General Washington & Thomas Jefferson. It is a policy of strength, based upon treating others with respect--but in Jefferson's words, punishing the first insult--as he did when he sent the Marines to deal with the Barbary Pirates in his first term. (We treat all with respect, so long as we get respect back; if not, you pay the consequences.)

The Bush II foreign policy was not Conservative--it was the policy adopted by the Leftist seeker of World Government, Dean Rusk (the Kennedy/Johnson Secretary of State in the 1960s).

Perhaps the best way to understand the issues is by contrasting--paragraph by paragraph--Bush II's Second Inaugural Address, and George Washington's views on the same points (Washington's Answer To George W. Bush).

It is Washington who showed profound understanding of ageless realities; not the pathetically confused Bush, or the Bush lite, Obama.

William Flax

39 posted on 09/14/2012 7:34:58 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Republican Wildcat

The only one I can see named in the article is Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa Paultard. Where do you find the other two?


40 posted on 09/14/2012 7:54:59 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ZULU

“We need a change from a Marxist Muslim and ROmney is it.”

Unfortunately, Romney is a Marxist non-Christian, too. He may have run a business, but he believes in high taxes and HillaryCare/RomenyCare/ObamaCare and is anti-2nd.


41 posted on 09/14/2012 8:12:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I hope they have big life insurance policies. They would definitely have to move to France.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 8:37:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: outofsalt

You are welcome.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 9:50:12 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

I’m not sure that would be the case. A majority of our state governments have been heavily influenced by the progressive movement for almost 100 years. We may have had even more liberal administrations!


44 posted on 09/14/2012 9:57:41 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Jacquerie

Thank you.. very good (and important) read.


45 posted on 09/14/2012 10:02:28 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Here you go (and this is NOT directed at you..):




46 posted on 09/14/2012 10:06:00 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Madam Theophilus
My point is that if the states were represented in their corporate capacity in the Senate, and the Prez relied on the individual State legislators for his continuance in office, it is doubtful the Senate and Prez would sign off on laws that require the States to spend money on programs they have little control over.

It makes a huge difference that the entire Congress depends on popular elections. Our Senators don't give a rip how much any program costs their States; their job security depends on passing out goodies to their people.

The 17th was a horrid error.

47 posted on 09/14/2012 10:12:47 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Bikkuri

You are welcome. When I read and studied the Constitutional Convention notes of Madison last year, I was amazed how much of what passed for common knowledge just wasn’t true.


48 posted on 09/14/2012 10:16:16 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie
I was amazed how much of what passed for common knowledge just wasn’t true.


So true.. I am wondering WHAT is being taught now in Social Science/Government classes now (and for the last 30+ years).. (hated that class, BTW.. :p the teacher was the basketball coach and he hated me since I totally sucked at basketball.. I had to study hard to pass in his class :\ ).. (was good at track though :D )

Back to the point.. it is also surprising (well, not really anymore) what we THINK is common knowledge is way off the mark (which I think you meant too).

Take care, my FRiend, and PRAY for our Republic to survive and come back again.

Bikk
49 posted on 09/14/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Vigilanteman

They are all three named in the article - the article is a two page article - make sure you are reading the whole thing by clicking the button to go the second page.


50 posted on 09/14/2012 11:09:15 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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