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State panel wants more information before ruling on Obama’s ballot eligibility
Lawrence KS Journal-World ^ | September 13, 2012 | John Hanna

Posted on 09/14/2012 7:03:55 AM PDT by iowamark

Kansas election officials said Thursday that they want more information before deciding whether to remove President Barack Obama from the state’s November ballot.

The all-Republican State Objections Board heard arguments Thursday on a claim from a Manhattan, Kan., resident that Obama is not eligible to be president because his father was from Kenya. The resident, Joe Montgomery, also questions whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.

The notion that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii has long been discredited, and the White House released his long-form birth certificate last year. Hawaii officials also have repeatedly confirmed his citizenship. His mother was a Kansas native.

The state board is led by Secretary of State Kris Kobach, an ardent voter ID proponent who during his successful 2010 campaign suggested Obama should produce his long-form birth certificate to quell doubts about his status. The board’s other members are Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer.

The board, which would have the final say on the ballot absent a court challenge, plans to meet again Monday and may rule then. Time to make changes is running out, however, as ballots to overseas military personnel must be mailed before the end of September...

Montgomery also argued that to be eligible for president, both of Obama’s parents had to be U.S. citizens when he was born, another long-circulating claim that includes citations of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, some more than a century old...

But the board said Thursday it wants certified documents from Hawaii. Kobach plans to have his staff contact officials in Arizona and Mississippi, which also have looked into such issues. Hawaii sent Arizona official verification of Obama’s birth records...

(Excerpt) Read more at 2.ljworld.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; kansas; naturalborncitizen; obama

1 posted on 09/14/2012 7:03:59 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
The notion that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii has long been discredited, and the White House released his long-form birth certificate last year.

LOL. Words escape me.

2 posted on 09/14/2012 7:07:44 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: InterceptPoint
...another long-circulating claim that includes citations of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, some more than a century old...

Stupid, unenlightened hayseeds didn't know what they were doing. To move FORWARD, we must discard all precedent of Western Civilization and just make things up as we go along.

Must have been written by a newly minted "journalism" grad.

3 posted on 09/14/2012 7:11:09 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: iowamark

Keeping my fingers crossed and saying a prayer that these good folks will do the right thing. Obama should have been forced to provide certified copies of his BC long ago. Too many questions...


4 posted on 09/14/2012 7:22:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: iowamark

Hawaii sent Arizona official verification of Obama’s birth records...
///
they did? i thought all they verified,
was that there are some records.
...just as China’s Sun Yat Sen,
had a VALID birth certificate on file,
in Hawaii.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 7:25:32 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: iowamark

They seem to be fighting it from the more “proper” stance of “jus sanguinis” vs. the ‘not born here’ meme.

It says pretty clearly on the “official” BC released by the regime that his father was not an American. He was, in fact, a British citizen, which, by law and longstanding legal precedent, disqualified Obama from holding the office of the president.

I think the problem that a lot of these courts face is knowing that as soon as one of them approves the removal of Obama from a state ballot, SCOTUS will be inundated with calls to vacate every law he’s signed and have him arrested for defrauding the American electorate.

No court in the land, no matter how conservative, wants to bring the sort of Constitutional crisis upon us that this would invite.

Personally, I’m all for it. Out of the chaos that would ensue, I believe we would be stronger as a nation.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 7:32:53 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: butterdezillion; advertising guy

FYI


7 posted on 09/14/2012 7:41:38 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: iowamark

There are so many lies in that article that it reads like a carneyism.

LLS


8 posted on 09/14/2012 7:44:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: rarestia

You are perhaps looking at this from the wrong perspective. The Democrats (and one or two republican’ts) tried several times to change the definition via fiat Congressional ruling, rather than follow the Constitutional means to alter the Constitution. Those efforts failed until McCain sold his filthy soul to be declared ‘eligible’ thus ushering in room for a none Natural Born Citizen to be declared eligible. The proper persepctive is to realize that the Congress critters have manipulated the Constitution into nullity. This has given rise to the pResident ruling via executive rder and a legion of regulators and unelected czars. Such power will not be given back to We The People. The Republic is dead. Long live the Republic.


9 posted on 09/14/2012 7:47:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
The Republic is dead. Long live the Republic.

La République est morte. Vive la République.

Interesting take. I don't disagree. Sadly, without a wholesale disassembling of both chambers and new elections across the board, we're going to be stuck with the same entrenched mentality ad infinitum.

10 posted on 09/14/2012 7:55:29 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: iowamark

Wow- Talk about propaganda. And it is from a local Rag.


11 posted on 09/14/2012 7:59:46 AM PDT by Revel
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To: iowamark; All

If Hawaii does not send THE actual Obama long-form Birth Certificate....then the Kansas board needs to pull Obama from the ballot. Anything else would mean that the board broke the law and knowingly allowed a non-eligible candidate to remain on the ballot.

Unfortunately, GOP and GOP Media have pretty much been Obama Supporters on this issue, so I hold little hope. The GOP and GOP Media, by not pursuing the “Birther” issue, are actively helping Obama get re-elected. Kansas can prove me wrong, though....


12 posted on 09/14/2012 8:09:29 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (The DNC Convention is like the Nuremburg Rallies for non-white folks)
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To: rarestia

‘Guillotines from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure ...’


13 posted on 09/14/2012 8:15:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: null and void

ping


14 posted on 09/14/2012 9:05:21 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: iowamark

Whenever somebody sees yellow journalism like this, you need to let them know that the members of this panel have been served legal notice that any Certification of Nomination for Obama is known to be perjurious now that HI registrar Alvin Onaka has confirmed that Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid.

Two links that will help them realize what this is about and why these guys legally HAVE to leave Obama off the ballot - along with every state in the union - if they don’t want to commit election fraud themselves:

Larry Klayman’s complete letter (and see who all is Cc’ed on it): http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

And an article explaining how verification works and how the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee’s verification request skirted the normal procedures and was tailor-made to allow Onaka to issue a verification EVEN FOR A LEGALLY NON-VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE, which says to me that they understood Onaka as having disclosed that the HI BC is legally non-valid: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf

It’s encouraging to see that they are checking into AZ and MDEC, because if they look into this they will realize that Onaka really DID confirm that Obama’s HI BC is non-valid. Every state SOS and AG has been informed of this fact.

Bob Bauer was also informed of this fact - in a letter delivered to him by courier at 2:27pm EDT on Aug 31 - 4 days before the Convention began. He chose to suborn perjury anyway, and now the world needs to hold him accountable.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 9:24:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: iowamark

I just sent this:

-—— Original Message -——

To: info@ap.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Please forward to John Hanna and all your AP reporters

Re: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

John, you need to fact-check your article. Hi state registrar Alvin Onaka actually confirmed that Barack Obama’s HI birth certificate is legally non-valid, and 2 of the 3 members on the Kansas objection panel have been informed of that fact via a certified-mail letter from Attorney Larry Klayman, which you can see at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

At this point any of those guys who allow Obama on the ballot would be committing election fraud themselves.

And reporters who fail to report correctly on this once informed could be charged with violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.

Consider yourself informed.

Nellie


16 posted on 09/14/2012 9:42:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; Fantasywriter; ...

I spoke with a very nice lady at AG Derek Schmidt’s office this morning. She said they had 60 emails this morning about this issue because of the media reports.

If Derek Schmidt, Kris Kobach, and Jeff Colyer are going to be our fullbacks carrying the heavy weight, we need to do some blocking for them. Specifically we need to hold the MEDIA accountable for telling the truth about what’s really going on here: Alvin Onaka confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the HI BC for Barack Obama is legally non-valid.

I’m pinging you to a post that has an e-mail I sent to AP, with instructions to forward it to the author of this article and to all the AP reporters. I’m not holding my breath that they will do it, though, so as much as possible we need to forward this information to all the news media we can. They need to know about Klayman’s letter and they need to know that failure to correct their errors and/or any misunderstandings once they are aware of them can constitute a violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.

If we can specifically collect proof that these people were informed of the true facts, it can be used to hold them accountable, because the only defense they can stand behind is a claim that they didn’t know the true facts. That’s also the only excuse that the AG’s, SOS’s, Bob Bauer, etc could hide behind, which is why the certified letters were sent. They can’t hide behind those excuses any more. And we need to do the same process for the media personalities who will be trying to tackle our fullbacks.

Have at it, please. We’ve been waiting 4 years for a chance to do something that would make a difference, and now the time has come. Block low, block hard, and give our runners a chance.


17 posted on 09/14/2012 9:54:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: iowamark

KS Dem Party Chair Joan Wagnon needs to watch what she says. We have proof that she received Larry Klayman’s letter on Sept 7th. A week ago.

That image is at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/return-receipt-dnc-chair-ks.jpg?w=450&h=618 (If somebody knows how to insert a jpg into a post we could have it show up here at FR; I’m a moron on remembering how to do that stuff).

There is no excuse for her lying about a legal fact she has been informed of by an attorney. She needs to watch her step. Big-time.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 10:17:34 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

19 posted on 09/14/2012 10:18:38 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

Could you make a post that has the return receipt showing like that? The URL for it is http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/return-receipt-dnc-chair-ks.jpg?w=450&h=618


20 posted on 09/14/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
receipt of delivery


21 posted on 09/14/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: butterdezillion
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/return-receipt-dnc-chair-ks.jpg?w=450&h=618
22 posted on 09/14/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: spokeshave

Thank you! Now everybody can see that Joan Wagnon was informed by Attorney Larry Klayman that the legal presumption at this point has to be that Obama is not eligible and cannot be eligible without a legal procedure to determine the probative value of his legally non-valid HI BC.

She needs to watch what she says.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: timestax

Thanks! You guys are GOOD! =)


24 posted on 09/14/2012 10:40:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Just wait until they get a call to quickly enact a vexious email law. You know Jarrett would it if she could.


25 posted on 09/14/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

The members of the Kansas legislature have all been sent e-mails with Klayman’s letter attached. So if they screw around with this they will also have no legal excuse.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 10:46:34 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you for the information Butter...


27 posted on 09/14/2012 11:08:30 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: rarestia
Sadly, without a wholesale disassembling of both chambers and new elections across the board, we're going to be stuck with the same entrenched mentality ad infinitum.

Or until we find some other means to re-establish popular and individual sovereignty.

28 posted on 09/14/2012 11:59:33 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Elendur; iowamark
Sun Yat Sen
Born in China AND Hawaii.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 12:44:56 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
More specifically, he was Born in China in 1866 AND in Hawaii in 1876.

Pretty amazing feat!

30 posted on 09/14/2012 12:49:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: iowamark; All
Apparently, the guy that filed the complaint seeks to withdraw it due to intimidation/threats:

Kansan seeks end to Obama ballot challenge - Critic notes 'intimidation' in withdrawal request

31 posted on 09/14/2012 2:12:45 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Intimidation??? Is that legal?


32 posted on 09/14/2012 4:05:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: InterceptPoint; All

NO wonder we end jp with idiots lie Obama. We have morons who vote for them


33 posted on 09/14/2012 9:29:58 PM PDT by FARS
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To: InterceptPoint; All

NO wonder we end jp with idiots lie Obama. We have morons who vote for them


34 posted on 09/14/2012 9:30:07 PM PDT by FARS
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To: butterdezillion
Butter, I hope those who have access to the panel are making them aware of the Naturalization Act of 1790, (see
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923368/posts?page=1#1) which states,

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens” – Naturalization Act 1790
As the author of that article said,

You can repeal a law, but you can’t repeal evidence, and the Naturalization Act of 1790 is unequivocal evidence of exactly what the US Congress meant by “Natural Born Citizen”.

I don't see how the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" could be any clearer -- and Øbozo definitely is not one -- if he stands by his BC claims!!!

35 posted on 09/14/2012 10:07:09 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: MHGinTN
See my #35. There was never any rational doubt as to McCain's NBC status...
36 posted on 09/14/2012 10:16:20 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: rarestia
I think the problem that a lot of these courts face is knowing that as soon as one of them approves the removal of Obama from a state ballot, SCOTUS will be inundated with calls to vacate every law he’s signed and have him arrested for defrauding the American electorate.

No court in the land, no matter how conservative, wants to bring the sort of Constitutional crisis upon us that this would invite.

Justice is suppose to be blind. It doesn't care if a just sentence will upset people. For any court to make a false judgment based upon a fear of the consequences, is so wrong that words fail me trying to describe how wrong it is. Courts must do their job, without bending because of possible outcomes to upholding the law.

37 posted on 09/14/2012 10:32:15 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: TXnMA

Well, since the 1794 Act repealed that little clause, why are you trying to push the version which was repealed four years later?


38 posted on 09/15/2012 7:43:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; butterdezillion
Because the 1790 wording re NBC (independent of the "foreign birth" bit) gives clear evidence as to the founders' definition of NBC. As the author stated:

You can repeal a law, but you can’t repeal evidence, and the Naturalization Act of 1790 is unequivocal evidence of exactly what the US Congress meant by “Natural Born Citizen”.

Read the whole article at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923368/posts?page=1#1

Or... don't you give a flip about the "original Constitutional intent" re NBC imposed by Article 2, and defined by 1790 re NBC (which was not repealed by 1796...)? [See

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/naturalization/naturalization_page3.html:

Sec. 3. "And let it be further enacted... ...the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as [mere] citizens [not NBC] of the United States. That the right of [even mere] Citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..."

None of the above modified the dual citizen jus sanguinis requirements for NBC; it merely addresses jus solis (with the further stipulation that, in Øbozo's case, proof of residency of his [alien] claimed father would impart [mere] citizenship [and not NBC] status). Failure of such paternal residency proof would render Øbozo totally alien...

Under the Constitution, 1790, and 1796, there is zero possibility that Øbozo can qualify to be President. And, if McCain were born in a Panamanian (rather than a US. military) hospital, neither can he.

Øbozo may qualify as [mere] Citizen. But, there is NO WAY he can qualify as NBC with the parentage he claims.

39 posted on 09/15/2012 11:24:22 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: butterdezillion

Great response. Will craft my own.

I’m not a lawyer, but of what I just read of the False Claims Act, it looks like it only applies to contractors who make false claims in the course of filing for government reimbursement? Not sure how it would apply to journalists, since if it did, most of the MSM would be in jail.


40 posted on 09/15/2012 12:33:23 PM PDT by CaptainFud
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To: butterdezillion

FReepMail for you...


41 posted on 09/15/2012 2:24:05 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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