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Kansas Weighs Taking Obama Off [2012 Presidential] Ballot
Fox News ^ | 22 minutes ago

Posted on 09/14/2012 11:32:36 AM PDT by drewh

The paths of President Barack Obama and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach are crossing once again.

But this time, it is not over immigration.

It is over the enduring assertion that Obama is not eligible to be president because they doubt he was born in Hawaii.

Kobach, who is an informal adviser to the Romney campaign on immigration policy, heads the all-Republican Kansas State Objections Board, which is considering removing Obama from the state's November ballot.

The issue -- which Kobach made a part of his election campaign in 2010 -- has been reignited by a claim from a Manhattan, Kan., resident that Obama is not eligible to be president because his father was from Kenya. The resident, Joe Montgomery, also questions whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.

"We have to take our responsibilities seriously," Kobach said. "Taking it seriously means that we make a decision with all of the evidence that can be obtained before we decide it."

Kobach, the architect of some of the most hard-line state-level immigration policies in the United States, including those of Arizona and Alabama, has been critical of Obama for what he says is the current administration's failure to address illegal immigration. Kobach also was the force behind a strict immigration component in the Republican party platform that was recently adopted at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla.

The board, which would have the final say on the ballot absent a court challenge, plans to meet again Monday and may rule then.

(Excerpt) Read more at latino.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen

1 posted on 09/14/2012 11:32:43 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

2 posted on 09/14/2012 11:35:49 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: drewh
If if Kansas tries to do it a Federal judge will order a reversal.That's a no brainer.
3 posted on 09/14/2012 11:37:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: drewh

Do it Kansas! Kick the first pebble down the hill.


4 posted on 09/14/2012 11:37:28 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: drewh

Do it Kansas! Kick the first pebble down the hill.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 11:37:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
God Bless ya Joe!!


6 posted on 09/14/2012 11:38:35 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

Is this Kansas SOS the real deal or a blowhard like the Georgia guy was?


7 posted on 09/14/2012 11:40:09 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: drewh

BTTT


8 posted on 09/14/2012 11:40:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Gay State Conservative

On what grounds can a federal court reverse a Kansas ballot eligibility ruling? If that was the case, there would simply not BE any state rules.

(speaking strictly in the legal sense, of course not in the looking glass world of our lawless/dictatorship society)


9 posted on 09/14/2012 11:40:34 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: drewh

Monday, Monday, will it ever come? Nope.

10 posted on 09/14/2012 11:42:00 AM PDT by itsahoot (I'll write in Palin in 2012. That is 1 vote for Palin, 0 votes for Romney and Zer0 votes for Obama.)
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To: drewh
It doesn't matter if Obama is on the ballot or not in Kansas. Either way, he's gonna lose big time here!

Way to go, Jayhawks!
11 posted on 09/14/2012 11:42:57 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: Reily

Kobach is a rising star in the party. I could see him as a veep candidate soon


12 posted on 09/14/2012 11:43:54 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

Love to see this!


13 posted on 09/14/2012 11:44:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yes very likely but the publicity over this will be bad for Zero! It will generate particularly bad PR if the Federal Judge is a Rat appointee.

Again I don’t know where he was born, given the evidence I have seen. However there is something “bad” about his basic documentation. So “bad” he is going to great lengths & expense to hide it. We need to know what it is!


14 posted on 09/14/2012 11:45:08 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Daffynition

This is a loser move. All this will do is create a distraction from the real issues...and garner sympathy for the poser. The LAST thing we need is the media to have yet another excuse to not cover the economy and foreign policy. THOSE need to be the issues...not this. It’s too late for THIS. It should have been brought up and dealt with in ‘08. Doing so now is a bad move.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 11:47:44 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: drewh

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Will-President-Obama-be-off-the-ballot-in-Kansas/9JtrPKz2PEChlQKFhttiEw.cspx


16 posted on 09/14/2012 11:48:22 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Dan in Wichita
Kobach for governor!


17 posted on 09/14/2012 11:49:35 AM PDT by drewh
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To: Reily

Why should the American electorate have to deal with anything hidden about a candidate for high office? Where’s the transparency?


18 posted on 09/14/2012 11:49:43 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: biggredd1

Kansas Republicans: We Need To See Obama’s Birth Certificate
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57513244-503544/kansas-republicans-we-need-to-see-obamas-birth-certificate/


19 posted on 09/14/2012 11:54:50 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh
So, in order to be on the ballot in Kansas, Obama has to prove his paternity.

I like that. I like that a lot.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 11:57:16 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: NELSON111

is the media to have yet another excuse to not cover
///
?
they need an excuse?
they don’t cover it anyway.
or they blame BUSH for the economy,
and ROMNEY for the embassy attacks!
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...i vote for bringing the truth and pressure,
about EVERYTHING possible.
...like Boehner cover up for Obama,
and stopping the investigation about Virginia Sunahara...
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this WILL all come out, in the future.
...will it still garner sympathy for him then ?


21 posted on 09/14/2012 12:01:09 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NELSON111
I agree with you. If Kansas is successful the national media will have a field day making Obama into a sympathetic victim of the horrible Racist republicans. If they can make Romney look bad for commenting on Obama's failures, imagine what they can do with this. Obama will end up being the persecuted savior of democracy and civil rights.
22 posted on 09/14/2012 12:01:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: DesertRhino
On what grounds can a federal court reverse a Kansas ballot eligibility ruling?

Huh...as if those terrorists in black robes (particularly the Rat appointees) need "grounds" to do anything.

23 posted on 09/14/2012 12:03:07 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: drewh

Folks, wherever these articles pop up we need to contact the reporters and send them the link to Larry Klayman’s letter to Bob Bauer - a copy of which was sent to every state Attorney General, every state Secretary of State, every state democratic party chair, every member of the Commission on Presidential Debates, and every member of the DNC Executive Committee as well as Nancy Pelosi. Here’s that link: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

HI state registrar Alvin Onaka confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the White House BC image is NOT “a true and accurate representation of the original record on file” and that Obama’s HI BC is not legally valid. All the above people were informed of that by letters sent via certified mail from Attorney Larry Klayman. Bob Bauer received that letter by courier at 2:27pm EDT on Aug 31 - 4 days before the Convention began. He was warned that any Certification of Nomination swearing that Obama is eligible to be President would be perjurious, since HI has now confirmed that there are no legally-established birht facts for Obama.

At this point any SOS who allows Obama on the ballot based on what is known to be a perjurious Certification of Nomination is him/herself engaging in election fraud.

The whole story needs to be told, and we’re going to have to be the ones to get the real story out, with the help of Klayman.

At this point we need to inform everyone in the media of Klayman’s letter, which will remove any excuse they have for reporting false claims about Obama having released his real BC or Hawaii verifying any birth facts or the existence of a LEGALLY-VALID BC for Obama. None of those things has actually happened, and any reporter who is given Klayman’s letter and still reports those untruths is in violation of the Federal General False Statement Act.

What we need is proof that they were notified of Klayman’s letter. If, after that time, they report lies we have a reason to say that we will report them to law enforcement for violation of the Federal General False Statement Act if they fail to correct those inaccuracies.


24 posted on 09/14/2012 12:03:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: drewh

Don’t Mess with Kansas!


25 posted on 09/14/2012 12:05:00 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: NELSON111

Obeying the rule of law is never a bad move. Not in my world, anyway.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 12:05:00 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: afraidfortherepublic

yeah why should they? /sarcasm!


27 posted on 09/14/2012 12:05:38 PM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Reily
Is this Kansas SOS the real deal or a blowhard like the Georgia guy was?

Kris Kobach is the real deal.
28 posted on 09/14/2012 12:05:58 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: drewh

Won’t happen, but this will drive the KS RATS crazy, especially the newspaper editors and the poly-sci profs they print editorials from. They hate Kobach (and all republicans) with a loud, hysterical, passion.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 12:06:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: NELSON111

As you are assuredly correct...this will go unnoticed by the drive-by media.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 12:14:02 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.<P>)
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To: drewh

If Kobach is tied to Romney’s campaign I am skeptical of his hearing the issue out.


31 posted on 09/14/2012 12:15:38 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: NELSON111

I disagree, his life narrative has to be the most Alinsky-ized issue this country has ever faced. It has been done with a cooperating corrupt democrat media. Just look how they coordinated to try to trip up Romney at a press conference. The democrat media is NOT to be trusted with anything. They are more worried what is best for their party than what is good for the country so that makes them beyond corrupt.

That being said, what Sheriff Joe’s investigation uncovered was Hawaii was handing out authentic birth certificates to foreign citizens like candy back in the day and had over 1,000 examples. Because of that corruption,what this establishes is you CANNOT rely on Hawaiian birth certificates alone to establish citizenship,from the State of Hawaii, without other documentation to back it up. He may or may not have been born here but what’s been discovered is you can’t rely on just the Hawaiian birth certificates to establish citizenship. The corrupt media has conveniently ignored this and the Obama administration has dropped all criminal charges against Sheriff Joe so his investigation will go away. If Obama was not eligible to run in 2008, he definitely not eligible to run now.

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32 posted on 09/14/2012 12:22:53 PM PDT by Salthawk
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To: drewh

It’s time to start a new conspiracy theory. What if the Bomb threat in Kansas city is related to the possible decision by Kansas to remove Obama from the ballot? Hmmm? ;-)


33 posted on 09/14/2012 12:33:40 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: butterdezillion
>>>Obeying the rule of law is never a bad move. Not in my world, anyway.

It's too late to obey the rule of law. That should have happened 4 years ago.

And of course...obeying the rule of law is never a bad idea...but this would backfire...and not have ANY impact other than negative on the outcome of the election. It would allow for the media to spend more time creating a sympathetic figure...and create a diversion. This is a certainty....not a guess...but a sure bet.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY. Too many of you chose to fight and fail to realize you are playing into their hands. Ask yourself...if you were dealing with a president like this...and you have an ignorant public by and large...what would you want them focused on? A failed foreign policy and an economic disaster...or the birther issue? If I'm a dim...I want all of you talking about the birther issue...

34 posted on 09/14/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Elendur
No...they don't need an excuse...but they will devote their time away from the real issues and onto this issue...which even if pursued will not sway 1% of the people. Every KNOWS it...and has made up their mind whether or not it bothers them. The sheeple NEED to be reminded of his job performance. All this does is create sympathy for swing voters. FACT.

Glad some of you aren't in charge of the national campaign...we'd lose by 20. Romney/Rove are already making it difficult enough.

35 posted on 09/14/2012 12:38:11 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Salthawk

Yep...and all of that...while factual...did NOTHING to move the polls. NOTHING. It did not take one % of the undecideds from the UNDEC to the Romney column. FACT. If that didn’t do it...this won’t either.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 12:40:14 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Daffynition

I would rather win the election...and let history be his judge. This is a loser issue and anyone who can’t see that doesn’t know how to win. If it was going to be a game-changer...Hillary’s attack in ‘08 would have done it. IT DIDN’T WORK.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 12:42:02 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: hinckley buzzard

If the American public would vote somebody in out of sympathy because they were caught in perjury, election fraud, and (arguably) treason, then this country is beyond saving and a fast death may be more merciful than anything.

And if that’s how stupid America is, the drug cartels and Hezbollah will burn this country to the ground for the very same reason (we don’t dare catch and stop the crooks because everybody will feel sorry for them...) regardless of who gets elected this time around. At some point a society that is too stupid to exist simply ceases to exist. If that’s where we’re at, all we have to do is continue on the same course and we’ll get there soon enough.


38 posted on 09/14/2012 12:45:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: NELSON111

You act like we can’t multi-task on the issues and just need to focus on one issue or two. If a great injustice happened in 2008, the sooner it’s exposed, the better. The best thing is it exposes the corrupt media for just how corrupt they are. I WILL NOT take the focus off this injustice. No amount of your swaying will accomplish this. IT NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED! PERIOD!


39 posted on 09/14/2012 12:45:39 PM PDT by Salthawk
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To: NELSON111

But what would you want the state SOS’s and state AG’s talking about?


40 posted on 09/14/2012 12:47:05 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: NELSON111

Good Lord. You are so well-versed in this issue that you don’t even know that the 2 people who were going to challenge Obama’s eligibility at the 2008 Dem Convention were each killed successively within the 2 weeks before the Convention.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Voters can do what they please, and campaigns can do what they please, but law enforcement and government officials who have sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution have to keep those oaths. All these voters who will be in sympathy with Obama because he’s kept off the ballots will vote for -— exactly who, again?


41 posted on 09/14/2012 12:50:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: NELSON111

I don’t think Obama wants SOS’s thinking there might be a real problem with his eligibility, one that could entangle them in perjury. Let one state lead the way, and others will feel safer in following. As for the public, rather than pity, many are discreetly looking for any old excuse to get out from under him, but without losing face. Buyer’s remorse is setting in. If he gets kicked off the ballot in even a few places, people will reason that where there’s smoke there must be fire. Only a very narrow demographic will reflexively assign this to racism. We have about reached saturation on that. This could work.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 12:57:43 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Reily

His pro-life/conservative creds are second to none. He is the silent mover behind much of the immigration legislation such as AR and AL.

If KK is the head of the board, its a safe bet he hand picked the petitioner as well as where it was filed to ensure his outcome all the way through appeal. He won’t grand stand and he won’t be pressured by media reaction.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 12:59:54 PM PDT by Rubble Rouser (The Flint Hills of KS....an amazing place!!)
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To: butterdezillion

Any word on what our SOS or AG has to say on this issue Butter? Gregg


44 posted on 09/14/2012 1:03:10 PM PDT by pitviper68
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To: drewh; All

It appears HUFFPO is already reporting that this issue is DOA....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57513244-503544/kansas-republicans-we-need-to-see-obamas-birth-certificate/


45 posted on 09/14/2012 1:27:31 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented; drewh; All

Sorry, wrong link in my last post.

Here is the right one...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/kansas-birther-case-obama-joe-montgomery_n_1884936.html?1347649412&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


46 posted on 09/14/2012 1:29:30 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: drewh
"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

Kan. man drops challenge to Obama on state ballot

http://www.necn.com/09/14/12/Kan-man-drops-challenge-to-Obama-on-stat/landing_nation.html?&apID=dd46f34a4c7b46889f732dee437fb672

Secretary of State Kris Kobach serves as the board's chairman.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me, Montgomery wrote in his email, adding that he doesn't want to burden personal and professional associates with "more of this negative reaction."

Montgomery's plans to drop his challenge were first reported by the Manhattan Mercury. The Objections Board would be the final word on whether Obama appears on the ballot as the Democratic Party's nominee, absent a court challenge. Kobach and its other members, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, are all Republicans, and Montgomery is a registered Republican, according the secretary of state's office.

Kobach said the board still will meet Monday to formally close the case and add whatever additional information is available to the record.

"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

47 posted on 09/14/2012 2:57:27 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: visually_augmented

‘ol Joe musta been given an offer he just couldn’t refuse...


48 posted on 09/14/2012 3:15:23 PM PDT by Texaspeptoman (Even cannibals get fed-up with people sometimes...!)
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To: Rubble Rouser
OK the plaintive withdrew his complaint!
It didn't take long for this to fold like a cheap suit.

So much for this guy being the real deal!

49 posted on 09/14/2012 3:57:43 PM PDT by Reily (l)
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