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Teachers Appear to be the Winner
The Chicago Sun Times ^ | September 14, 2012 | Mark Brown

Posted on 09/14/2012 1:35:29 PM PDT by PBRCat

If the point of going on strike is to get a better deal than you would have received without it, then the Chicago Teachers Union is already a pretty clear winner this week in its confrontation with Mayor Rahm Emanuel and his school board.

If the point of going on strike is to give voice to the frustrations of your members and to allow them to vent their anger, then you’d have to say the CTU was a runaway winner on that front as well.

And if the point of going on strike is to let your employer know you’re not going to be taken for granted in the future, then score another one for the CTU.

Are you detecting a pattern here?

As negotiators worked into the night to put what were expected to be the finishing touches on a contract settlement that union leaders could take to a vote Friday, it’s a tad premature to assess winners and losers not knowing the full parameters of a final deal.

But unless the union totally capitulates on the last major issue on the table, it’s hard to see how CTU President Karen Lewis and her members come out of this week as anything but a decisive winner.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; emanuel; schools; strike
In the end, only the students and the taxpayers will suffer, but Rahm Emanuel's reputation has taken a serious hit.
1 posted on 09/14/2012 1:35:38 PM PDT by PBRCat
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To: PBRCat
Rahm Emanuel's reputation has taken a serious hit.

You mean I'm going to have to find new epithets besides scumsucking hyperflatulent communist butt-kissing suckup toady?

2 posted on 09/14/2012 1:39:10 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: PBRCat

Obama wanted it over!


3 posted on 09/14/2012 1:40:10 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PBRCat

Obama wanted it over!


4 posted on 09/14/2012 1:40:13 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PBRCat

They were smart. They timed this thing to create maximum trouble for Obama in his re-election campaign. No doubt he called up Rahm and told him “whatever they want, just GIVE IT TO THEM and make this go away!” Could maybe have milked it for even more if the Mooslims did not come along and blow them off the front page.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 1:43:19 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PBRCat
Maybe I was wrong. I thought that this would go on a few more days, have a bigger piece of the news, a few more busted heads, and Barry-O would stop fundraising long enough to swoop in, in full regalia, and "broker" a "settlement", followed by a beer summit.

Is my cynicism showing?

6 posted on 09/14/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: PBRCat
"In the end, only the students and the taxpayers will suffer, but Rahm Emanuel's reputation has taken a serious hit."

That is, until the precedent, that a strike will get you anything you want from Rahm is realized. And then there will be more strikes and more people hurt especially tax payers.

Hey but they elected a democrat. What'd you expect?

7 posted on 09/14/2012 1:47:13 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: PBRCat

Of course the government teachers win.

What did anyone expect to happen?


8 posted on 09/14/2012 1:49:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Rahm’s reputation is going to take a serious hit. For all his faults, I always thought him to be a tough negotiator. Not so much anymore.


9 posted on 09/14/2012 1:49:52 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: PBRCat

I am just wondering where the “Amen Chorus” that continually wants to find a way to cut California loose is today? We may have it bad here in California, but Illinois is the clear leader in the looney Left’s destructive acts. I guess it baffles all of you as to how to “carve out Illinois” from the rest of the country because it isn’t on a coast. You all need to get creative all of you who are “huddled in Texas.”


10 posted on 09/14/2012 1:54:51 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: PBRCat
It should say "Teachers UNIONS Appear to be the Winner"

Who would have thought that when the union went to battle with the person that they paid good money to get elected that they would have one? Oh, the irony...

This whole thing seems orchestrated.
11 posted on 09/14/2012 1:55:24 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: PBRCat

Chicagoans deserve this. But they should be made to pay for it themselves.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 1:58:21 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: PBRCat

Condrags Chicago, your worst performing teachers are now the highest paid in the county, good job! Can’t wait to see all the new employers rushing to Chicago to hire all those can’t read, can’t write, can’t think students yall graduate every year. Oh and how many were murdered today in your fare city? Chicago the new Detroit.


13 posted on 09/14/2012 1:59:12 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: PBRCat

The students should go on strike.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 2:02:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: PBRCat

Those teachers are the lowest performing and most overpaid teachers in the country.

Rahm doesn’t mind spending YOUR money


15 posted on 09/14/2012 2:04:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: PBRCat

This was all staged by the Democrats. Rahm appears to be a tough negotiator and the unions go marching around. Then, after considerable soundbites, management capitulates, the stupid teachers getting everything they wanted and the taxpayers are left holding the bag together with their illiterate children. Support the status quo.


16 posted on 09/14/2012 2:05:20 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: blueunicorn6

Then they would offer to pay the kids too. jeesh


17 posted on 09/14/2012 2:06:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: PBRCat
I think it was one big staged event to deliver the rank & file to the democrats.

Union boss: See we would have never gotten this with the Republicans.

18 posted on 09/14/2012 2:08:12 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: PGR88

The reason Obama wanted it over is the teacher’s union was revealing that the real underlying inflation and the real lack of growth is incomes is turning America into a nation of welfare clients.

They were asking for 16% at 3 years of 5%+ each year.

That is about equal to core inflation in July, which was 4.8% annually, and the August numbers of total inflation pegged it at a 20% per year rate.

These teachers were about to reveal that the emperor had no clothes.

And, I’m not sure they even realized it.


19 posted on 09/14/2012 2:13:26 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: PBRCat

Actually, this is how Detroit became Detroit.

The more the Left ‘wins” in taxation and cultural cleansing, the better the guarentee is that Chicago will fall.


20 posted on 09/14/2012 2:31:35 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: PBRCat

Talk of this is racist, since only about 9 percent of the students affected were white. The strike and the whining teachers were racist, and our talking about the striking, whining teachers is racist, and our talking about that fudge stick Rahm is homophobic. So there. Least we want to be investigated by Holder, and terrorized by Muslims, we should speak no more of this.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 2:37:56 PM PDT by pallis
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To: xzins

Really ..?? These teachers in Chicago make between $71 to $75 THOUSAND per year .. and work less hours than most teachers.

I have no sympathy for them .. and their real beef is they don’t want to be held accountable for being lousy teachers, and all those lousy teachers who have already been laid off - SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONES RECALLED.

No wonder Chicago is the murder capital of the world.


22 posted on 09/14/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

It doesn’t matter whether you’re making 20,000 or 100,000. If inflation is taking away 5% per year of your purchasing power, then you are losing ground.

If you’re smart you’ll try to correct it.

Businesses do. They increase their prices when their costs go up. The government does. It has automatic inflation protection in tax lawas.

Why shouldn’t you do the same?


23 posted on 09/14/2012 2:48:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: PBRCat

Heard this on the radio, so I can not vouch for accuracy. Chicago has 35k teachers and 350k students. By simple arithmetic, that’s 10 students per teacher.

I doubt that Chicago classrooms look like that. Suppose there are 20 students per teacher. That would require 17.5k teachers.

So, what are the extra 17.5k teachers who are not teaching actually doing?


24 posted on 09/14/2012 3:01:22 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
I doubt that Chicago classrooms look like that. Suppose there are 20 students per teacher. That would require 17.5k teachers.

There are a lot more than 20 students per class. Some of the teachers are special ed teachers, ESL teachers, etc., who don't have a single full-time classroom.
25 posted on 09/14/2012 3:05:30 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: PBRCat

Saw Kruathammer on FOX the other day. He was alone in predicting the teachers union would win in Chicago.


26 posted on 09/14/2012 3:05:39 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: PBRCat

A real leader would have fired them all on day one of the strike.

To hell with public unionized employees.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 3:10:27 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: PBRCat
was there ever really any doubt about it???
28 posted on 09/14/2012 3:10:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: xzins

I was making $24.5 - in a very expensive locale to live. A 3% increase was all that was available.

Of course, I didn’t have to belong to a union and parade around to get my raises.

Sorry, it’s not the teachers I resent .. it’s the unions who control them. The unions who DEMAND no accountability for more pay and less hours. Not a good plan.

Always had a job .. never had to belong to a union.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 3:10:45 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Izzy Dunne

You forgot ballerina.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 3:12:16 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: CyberAnt

I’m glad you were able to get a 3% increase. I hope you’re able to keep up with inflation as it skyrockets over the next few years.

I hope the same for any employer or employee in America.

I went through the ultra-inflation years of Jimmy Carter and it isn’t pretty.

Obama is the author of it, and the teachers in Chicago almost inadvertently revealed his incompetence.


31 posted on 09/14/2012 3:14:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: don-o

Those numbers are way off.


32 posted on 09/14/2012 3:38:54 PM PDT by PBRCat
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To: xzins

Fortunately, I have retired.


33 posted on 09/14/2012 3:39:21 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Mashood

Word is that Rahm has been nowhere near the actual negotiating sessions since he is both radoactive and toxic to the process.

It is worth noting that both Barack Obama and his neighbor Bill Ayers misspent $298 million dollars from the Annenberg Challenge (funds meant to benefit education in Chicago) and not a red penny (pun intended) spent ended up improving the CPS, but the Commies were pleased with mad money.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 3:43:54 PM PDT by PBRCat
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To: PBRCat
Those numbers are way off.

As I said, from my hearing of a radio report (in the car). What are the right numbers?

35 posted on 09/14/2012 3:48:16 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Actually, this is how Detroit became Detroit.

Excellent analogy.

36 posted on 09/14/2012 3:57:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: don-o

Using older numbers, there are about 400,000 students to approximately 23,000 teachers. The student teacher ratio was about 20-1 for 2010, but that includes special ed classrooms that are much smaller.

The statistics for 2012 enrollment are not readily available. A census should be undertaken for 9/4/2012 in a few weeks.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 4:11:08 PM PDT by PBRCat
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