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More sniper ammunition being ordered by DHS. Who are the targets?
Prepper Podcast Radio Network ^ | September 14, 2012 | James Smith

Posted on 09/14/2012 8:49:15 PM PDT by LucyT

Surprise! The DHS Immigration and Customs Enforcement have requested more ammunition.

However, it is the type of ammunition and not necessarily the quantity that is troubling.

First on the agenda is the .223 rifle ammunition. Just a measly 40 million rounds in the first year, and another 160 million rounds in the following four years. 200,00 million rounds in total. You know, just enough to make you cringe thinking that some government office that is not military has more ammunition than you do.

The .223 caliber round is a decent hunting round, but that is not the rounds to be concerned about.

The .308 rounds should have you a bit concerned. Quite a bit concerned.

Why the .308? Because the same folks at DHS think they need two types of .308 caliber rounds. Blank ammunition and 168 grain hollow point boat tail ammunition.

The blank ammunition will be spread to five different locations in the American south east and in Puerto Rico. The regular ammunition will be spread all over the US in a variety of places.

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KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bloodoftyrants; cw2; dhs; donttreadonme; govtabuse; policestate; threatmatrix; tyranny; waronliberty
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1 posted on 09/14/2012 8:49:20 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

we are the targets.


2 posted on 09/14/2012 8:51:04 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert

If I were expecting and election to be close ....hmmm or a depression and not food ...hmmmm...If I were going to steal an election ....hmmmm. Are they ordering US ammo or chinese.


3 posted on 09/14/2012 8:53:29 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: MestaMachine; KC_Lion; Myrddin; Godzilla; Domestic Church; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; MamaDearest; ...

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Ping.

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4 posted on 09/14/2012 8:53:45 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

These tens of millions of rounds are simply for target practice!

lol...


5 posted on 09/14/2012 8:54:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: LucyT

They’re libs, right?

I’m hoping they’ll be SCARED of those nasty gun-like-thingys that they don’t know how to work.

(Time to start sweating? When they start having classes in firearm use at the gubmint.)


6 posted on 09/14/2012 8:54:50 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: dalebert

Fine they can order it but can they hang on to it? Looking at this Government they are experts at losing just about everything.


7 posted on 09/14/2012 8:55:32 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: dalebert

When Obama ran for office he talked about a civilian police force as strong as the military. Since then, the government has been buying and misplacing military grade weapons and ammunition. My concern is that his brown shirts are arming for a domestic action — an unfortunate electoral outcome or term limits.


8 posted on 09/14/2012 8:56:39 PM PDT by wizwor
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To: dalebert

It could require a lot of rounds to quell some hard feelings if/when 0bummer suspends presidential term limits and declares himself El Presidente for life so “he has time to finish the job he was elected for.”


9 posted on 09/14/2012 8:56:59 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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Hmmm. How many rounds are out there in private hands?


10 posted on 09/14/2012 8:59:52 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: LucyT; Travis McGee
Travis, it looks like they read your article and are trying to corner the market on ammo.

Freepmail.

11 posted on 09/14/2012 9:00:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: dalebert

A gazillion rounds in the hands of idiots like the TSA is of no concern.

McClellans abound in the generalcies of this fed. Can they inspire the troops to take out American citizens?

God help them if they choose that path...

I’m old and don’t much give a damn.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 9:00:43 PM PDT by One Name
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To: wizwor

Bring it. They’ll get hungry quick.


13 posted on 09/14/2012 9:02:30 PM PDT by One Name
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To: LucyT

The Homeland Security office gearing up for war and Obama loves to spend tax payers money faster than anyone in history.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 9:03:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LucyT
What's wrong with this picture?

1)The Social Security Administration requested massive amounts of .357 ammo;

2)the Department of Homeland Security ordered 450 million rounds of ammunition;

3) the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) submitted an order for 46,000 rounds of high powered ammo for the National Marine Fisheries Service,

and 4) DHS wants, in addition to other munition, sniper ammo, as in "two types of .308 caliber rounds. Blank ammunition and 168 grain hollow point boat tail ammunition"

BUT

5) United States BORDER PATROL AGENTS cannot fire upon illegal aliens;

6) Marines were told to disarm before Panetta's speech; and

7) Marines have been disarmed at our embassies in hostile countries?

15 posted on 09/14/2012 9:04:39 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: LucyT
You know, 100 million rounds here, and a 100 million there, and pretty soon, you have a lot of ammo!

/s

16 posted on 09/14/2012 9:04:43 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: MNJohnnie

If that’s what they think they need to do...

I’m sure they know best. Good luck feeding everyone.


17 posted on 09/14/2012 9:04:50 PM PDT by One Name
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To: LucyT
168 gr HPBT is the favorite 1,000 yard round for Camp Perry target shooting. It's illegal for use in combat per the Geneva Convention. Geneva requires FMJ. No hollow points. I don't think there is a big target shooting competition coming up. The targets are domestic. Humans. Us.
18 posted on 09/14/2012 9:09:04 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: One Name

Excellent point!


19 posted on 09/14/2012 9:09:47 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: One Name
Good luck feeding everyone.

Logistics can be a bitch. Food. Water. Fuel.

I'm hoping the .308 is the real SAAMI stuff. That 7.62x51 NATO doesn't fit my chamber well.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 9:12:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: nicmarlo
EXACTLY.

And, No Marines for Libyan Ambassador, Full Security Detail for Valerie Jarrett Vacation

I am so angry.

21 posted on 09/14/2012 9:15:20 PM PDT by cyn
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To: LucyT

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fd7fba040f4617acb8d2947c97a152a5&tab=core&_cview=1


22 posted on 09/14/2012 9:16:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: LucyT
From the article:

"The Public should have complete oversight of the actions of the DHS"

Definite questions that need answers here. BUMP

23 posted on 09/14/2012 9:17:20 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Do it today. Don't wait.)
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To: LucyT
However, it is the type of ammunition and not necessarily the quantity that is troubling....Why the .308?

Because it's what you use to snipe individuals openly carrying their rifles from a range that makes it hard for them to find you and return effective fire.....

24 posted on 09/14/2012 9:17:25 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: wizwor

its yurr October Surprise!


25 posted on 09/14/2012 9:18:14 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: One Name
I'm old too and don't need any training @300m+. Sure wish I hadn't lost my one gun in that boating accident last year in the Gulf.
26 posted on 09/14/2012 9:18:30 PM PDT by Longtooth
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To: MNJohnnie

And I think a log of patriot gun owners will find out where all this ammunition to be used against us is stored...so we can use it against this Commie regime....


27 posted on 09/14/2012 9:19:10 PM PDT by Stayfree (Find products made in the USA by Americans at MadeInTheUSADirectory.com!!)
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To: Myrddin

Hand-ream if you must. keep a few pristine bores for distance but your close-quarter devices should be able to digest multiple fodder.


28 posted on 09/14/2012 9:22:19 PM PDT by One Name
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To: cyn

thanks for posting that, too; I knew there was yet another (and probably still more such examples), but couldn’t recall what it was.

I’m beyond angry. There is evil intent in all this. Evil plans to be perpetrated against Americans. What other conclusion could one possibly make?


29 posted on 09/14/2012 9:26:08 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Longtooth

We are the last ones they should wish to come against. I want this country to survive, and am willing to sacrifice to that end.

When they turn inward, the end is nigh.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 9:26:57 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge

Another ammo requisition PING


31 posted on 09/14/2012 9:28:14 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: wizwor

“When Obama ran for office he talked about a civilian police force as strong as the military.”

There is a civilian police force as strong as the military already...it is us, We the People. And We know how to use what we have...and it will be on our turf, not theirs...these silly commie, leftist, liberal, bastards will get what’s coming to ‘em if they ever figure out how to use that ammo, and then try to do so.

Think about it a bit more...Obama is a lousy Commander-In-Chief...he has proven that many times over...how could he lead a ‘civilian police force’? Leon Paneta is just as bad as pretending to be Secy of Defense...he can’t do it. And that crotcity, bitch from Arizona, the lesbo one, is not to be feared...

They better fear ‘We the People’, just as Yamamoto did in WWII.


32 posted on 09/14/2012 9:29:06 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Stayfree

I will gladly give the Gov’t credit for balance owed on their debt in exchange for several thousand rounds of their ammo.

Something Wicked This Way Comes


33 posted on 09/14/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: LucyT
Does anyone have credible evidence how many rounds are needed for practice and to maintain certification? How many rounds per person per year? How many people total? I don't think it's going to add up to 200 million .223. And the .308, why does a constitutional republic need .308 sniper ammo to be used against it's own citizens?
34 posted on 09/14/2012 9:35:50 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: LucyT

Bump


35 posted on 09/14/2012 9:39:41 PM PDT by blondee123 (Our country is headed for DICTATORSHIP! WAKE UP!)
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To: Art in Idaho
why does a constitutional republic need .308 sniper ammo to be used against it's own citizens?

What makes you think it's going to be "a constitutional republic" doing so?

36 posted on 09/14/2012 9:41:18 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
What makes you think it's going to be "a constitutional republic" doing so?

Good point. . How much more can we take?

37 posted on 09/14/2012 9:44:06 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: papertyger; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

38 posted on 09/14/2012 9:47:09 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1334 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: One Name

“...your close-quarter devices...”

And whether at some distance or at close quarters, our ‘devices’ will out perform theres, ‘cause we know how to use ‘em.

And there is more...when this kind of push comes to shove, the elite military, and civilian Sheriff’s and their deputies will be mostly on our side.


39 posted on 09/14/2012 9:48:13 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: One Name
My chamber has a real tight throat. Real Win .308 works fine. I tried some of the 7.62x51 NATO. The damn thing slam fired when I closed the bolt. Thankfully the muzzle was pointed safely downrange at an indoor range when that nasty surprise occurred. The rest of that box will remain unfired. No big deal.

I haven't tried the NATO stuff in the T/C Encore barrel. It might work fine there. All my toys are out of reach. I'm working in San Diego with a rented room until my contract completes. Not using any of my ammo.

40 posted on 09/14/2012 9:53:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: papertyger

We have seen what Hitler, Stalin and Mao did. It is not likely to have traction here in the USA. The leftists already have no firearms as a grop. I think that more US Patriots have .308 and 30-06 than the brown shirts. And how many .338 Lapua do the brown shirts have vs. Patriots?


41 posted on 09/14/2012 9:55:44 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: Rio
Hmmm. How many rounds are out there in private hands?

Several Hundred Billion, I reckon.

300 Million to 500 Million firearms; at least a 1000-round starter kit of ammo for each one. Should be a bunch of it.

42 posted on 09/14/2012 9:56:15 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: MtnClimber
I think that more US Patriots have .308 and 30-06 than the brown shirts. And how many .338 Lapua do the brown shirts have vs. Patriots?

That may be true, but what they do have is FAR better organized.

43 posted on 09/14/2012 10:01:48 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Myrddin

are civilian authorities bound by the Geneva Convention?


44 posted on 09/14/2012 10:05:43 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: LucyT
7.62mm NATO/.308 is one of my very favorite rounds. Good to know that there will be some around if its needed. Knowing our government... they will store it in a U-Haul storage unit with small Yale lock.

LLS

45 posted on 09/14/2012 10:08:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: dalebert

All Tea Party members will soon be required to wear a U.S. flag on their arm, to make target identification easy.


46 posted on 09/14/2012 10:10:22 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Rio
Billions and billions. Lake City Ammunition factory in Lake City, Louisiana manufactured and sold more that 2.5 billion rounds of 5.56mm NATO in 2010 alone. More than 40% went on the civilian market. Americans shoot up a lot of 5.56mm.

LLS

47 posted on 09/14/2012 10:12:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: LucyT

And why isn’t a Republican Congress having daily hearings about the accumulation of anti-civilian ammunition? Is no Republican curious about why the government needs to be able to kill so many of its own people?


48 posted on 09/14/2012 10:14:06 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: papertyger

I am sure that most of the military will uphold their constitutional oath. The communist insurrection will have enemies from two sides. Invest in Washington, DC underwear cleaners.


49 posted on 09/14/2012 10:15:37 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: Myrddin
"168 gr HPBT is the favorite 1,000 yard round for Camp Perry target shooting. It's illegal for use in combat per the Geneva Convention. Geneva requires FMJ. No hollow points."

That's incorrect. First of all it's the Hague Convention of 1899 that prohibits the use of easily expanding/deforming projectiles. Second, our snipers are issued rounds such as the MK316, which is a 7.62 x 51 featuring a 175 gr Sierra HPBT.

"A 1991 US Army Judge Advocate General (JAG, the Army’s legal arm) decision held that certain hollow point projectiles were not subject to the Hague Convention’s prohibition of such projectiles for use in warfare, as long as the purpose of the “open tip” was to provide better accuracy or ballistic shape, instead of to enhance bullet expansion."

50 posted on 09/14/2012 10:16:30 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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