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Soldiers issued enhanced M14s
Ft. Campbell Courier ^ | 13 Sept 2012 | Spc. Kadina Baldwin, 1st Brigade Combat Team

Posted on 09/15/2012 10:00:47 AM PDT by smokingfrog

Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, became familiar with their new M14 Enhanced Battle Rifles as they trained for Personnel Security Detachment duty for their battalion Sept. 6, at Johnson Field.

The EBR is a magazine-fed, gas-operated, shoulder-fired weapon that also has a Mark-4 tactical scope and cantilever mount with an aluminum billet stock. The M14 EBR also has a new adjustable buttstock, cheek rest and M4-style pistol grip but can also be returned to its original configuration with no permanent modifications.

“Today we are practicing and familiarizing ourselves with our new M14 7.62mm weapon before we go to the range in preparation for our fall deployment to Afghanistan,” said Spc. Daniel Lueptow, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Bn., 327th Inf. Rgt. “Though I understand the need for adjustment for this upcoming deployment, I enjoyed the older model and did well with it on my last deployment.”

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KEYWORDS: 101st; airborne; alltheway; banglist; m14ebr
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1 posted on 09/15/2012 10:00:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

They should have done this back during Vietnam, instead of testing the unimproved and unreliable M-16A1 on our troops.

M-14 is and always was a much better weapon.


2 posted on 09/15/2012 10:03:50 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: smokingfrog

Can I get one?


3 posted on 09/15/2012 10:04:13 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: smokingfrog

4 posted on 09/15/2012 10:05:48 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I couldn’t agree more.

I found one hidden away in the company supply room when I was with the 4th Infantry in 1970. Carried that thing all over II Corp and never had more confidence in a weapon.

Took it with me to the 1st Cav in 1970 and carried it all over the AO there. It really came into its own down south what with more open terrain.

9 mags was a load but small price to pay.


5 posted on 09/15/2012 10:08:17 AM PDT by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: smokingfrog
Springfield AA9626 M1A SOCOM 16 ($1532 - In Stock)
6 posted on 09/15/2012 10:10:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: smokingfrog

So they want to go to war with a .30 cal vs. a .22. Who wouldn’t?


7 posted on 09/15/2012 10:11:25 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: smokingfrog

“their new M14 Enhanced Battle Rifles as they trained for Personnel Security Detachment duty “

But will they let them have bullets?


8 posted on 09/15/2012 10:12:38 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

http://www.armslist.com/posts/484235/minnesota-rifles-for-sale-—price-drop—springfield-m1a-supermatch—w—leupold-mark-iv-6-5-x-20-for-sale


9 posted on 09/15/2012 10:13:30 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks heavy


10 posted on 09/15/2012 10:14:06 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s the one I want, baby! It doesn’t have to have all the fancy stuff, that little bit of rail is all I need.


11 posted on 09/15/2012 10:14:36 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Can I get one?
right here....

http://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-2.aspx


12 posted on 09/15/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
No. You're scum uh, just a citizen.

Welcome to FR, BTW...

13 posted on 09/15/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1335 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: smokingfrog; Hurtgen

When I was with 3-12 Cav in Germany in the 1980s each of our platoons had a pair of M-14s (improved from 1960s issue) as sniper rifles. Several soldiers in each platoon when to a special course for their use and sniper training.


14 posted on 09/15/2012 10:17:43 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: smokingfrog

Tactically, I might not advertise this.


15 posted on 09/15/2012 10:17:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: smokingfrog

The old M-14 is still one of the best guns I have ever shot. I can hit the target extremely well with this gun.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 10:18:56 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Want!!


17 posted on 09/15/2012 10:19:24 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: buwaya

Weight 11.24 lb


18 posted on 09/15/2012 10:21:57 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s a beautiful rifle right there...is it usable for left-handed firers?


19 posted on 09/15/2012 10:24:33 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; null and void; smokingfrog

echoing N&V, welcome to FR. :)


20 posted on 09/15/2012 10:26:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: buwaya
Looks heavy

They're for the base guards (Personnel Security Detachment). They won't be humping them for miles through jungles and mountains. It's good to have something that will penetrate vehicles.

21 posted on 09/15/2012 10:30:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: smokingfrog
Want!!
same here..i have a 30-06/scope...
(brother has "borrowed it" for deer season :)

22 posted on 09/15/2012 10:31:28 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Future Snake Eater
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-278358.html


23 posted on 09/15/2012 10:32:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: skinkinthegrass; null and void
Thanks!

In other news, the specs on the fulton armory piece fall outside of legality for my state :(

Thank God my stay in this state in temporary.

24 posted on 09/15/2012 10:33:12 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: Sacajaweau

The EBR has been “in country” for many years now. It’s no secret. The Army has at least one Squad Designated Markman armed with and EBR per squad. Sometimes it’s two SDMs per squad.


25 posted on 09/15/2012 10:34:17 AM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The M14 is a reliable, hard-hitting weapon. However, there so many other platforms out there which are lighter, just as hard hitting, and more accurate.

I think 6.8 SPC, and 6.5 Grendel round AR uppers and SCAR-L/SCAR-H , and piston-driven, barrel-changing systems are better options depending on the mission and terrain.


26 posted on 09/15/2012 10:34:33 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Future Snake Eater

My experience (a “while’ back) with original M-14 is that if you keep your extractor clean you’re fine.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 10:34:33 AM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: buwaya

I pimped out my ar-15 and it does add alot of weight to them.. But it sure looks perty!


28 posted on 09/15/2012 10:38:58 AM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: JoeProBono

Doesn’t look anything like the M-14 I qualified with back in 1962 (last year in USMC).


29 posted on 09/15/2012 10:39:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: smokingfrog; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ..
The EBR is one strange-looking beast. Wonder how it handles.

I've had a Springfield M1A for many years -- standard configuration. A great drill rifle (when I used one on drill team), but heavy. I don't know if it's real or perceived, but my DSA SA58 (metric FAL) weighs about as much yet feels lighter. In the field all day -- BIG difference. Points faster too, for me, anyway.

Last but not least is recoil -- the M1A beats you up more than the FAL. Don't know why, but it does. That newer compensator makes a difference there on the M1A, though -- works much better than the standard flash hider, although it doesn't look as cool. $;-)

YMMV...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

30 posted on 09/15/2012 10:39:15 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
M-14 is and always was a much better weapon.

I am one Vietnam combat veteran who disagrees. I served long after the ammunition problems were solved and weapons were routinely and properly cleaned. The M16 was very well suited to that war, it was reliable and, most importantly helped solve our serious soldier load problem. Soldiers carried 300 rounds of 5.56 and 100 rounds belted 7.62 in addition to chow, water, grenades, claymores, etc. Carrying 400 rounds of 7.62 would be a big increase and not worth it in my view.

Iraq and Afghanistan represent a different set of conditions. The enemy appears at longer ranges and takes cover behind walls, automobiles, and other substantial cover. The M14 shines in this environment, but it is still not the standard rifle, it serves a specialized role. My nephew used it on two deployments as a designated marksman and sniper, and then used the M2010 on a third deployment to Afghanistan. While the M2010 is becoming the standard sniper rifle, the M14 will remain available to snipers and will be the primary weapon for designated marksmen.

For humping the mountains in triple canopy jungle with many days between resupply, the M16/M4 is the way to go.

31 posted on 09/15/2012 10:41:30 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good info, thanks!


32 posted on 09/15/2012 10:44:45 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

“That’s a beautiful rifle right there...is it usable for left-handed firers?”

Sure, it doesn’t care if they are shooting at you left or right-handed. :)


33 posted on 09/15/2012 10:46:51 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: smokingfrog

M-14 is what I carried....I guess I’m dating myself!!!


34 posted on 09/15/2012 10:47:19 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Jimmy Valentine
M-14 is and always was a much better weapon.
Depending on the situation, maybe, but not for jungle fighting in general.
M16 was smaller, lighter and could switch between semi and full auto with a flip of one switch.
Establishing a base of fire and fire superiority was much more effective with the M16.
The M16-A1 also addressed the reliability issues seen in the M16 with a forward assist, chrome chamber and quite a few other improvements.
35 posted on 09/15/2012 10:47:38 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: smokingfrog

I qualified with a late 60’s era M-14 E2 (full auto with pistol grips) ... three round burst of man profile target at over 1000 ft with iron sights ... It worked quite well - easy to hit the target... even right handed - the blow back was too much for lefties like me. Both the M-14 and M-16 had their place in Vietnam (Marines used the M-14 a lot)... The M-14 could go a great distance accurately and deliver a real punch. The best thing about the M-16 was quick and heavy fire suppression. Get the Cong’s head down and fill the air with lead .. so a squad could regroup. Firing the M-16 on full auto with one hand over a log, berm or around a tree helped a lot to push the enemy back. I loved the M-14 - qualified on the standard unit in Basic Training .. too bad there was not an ample supply of both weapons in the Vietnam war... The Army should not have gone totally with the M16 - we needed both.


36 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:12 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Where you find that old “ Dog”?? I bet you could slip a clip into it and it would be ready to go. Love those old buggers, steel butt plate and all.


37 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:21 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Where you find that old “ Dog”?? I bet you could slip a clip into it and it would be ready to go. Love those old buggers, steel butt plate and all.


38 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:31 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: smokingfrog
Last of the Surviving M-14 Battle Rifles: The M14 Obsolete But Irreplaceable

The standard US military rifle for only six years, the M14 refuses to go quietly into retirement after forty years. It is still seen all over the world today.

Since 1970 the United States military has destroyed or demilled nearly 750,000 M-14s.

While some were destroyed during the Carter administration most survived in arsenal storage through the Cold War. This was because of the fact that keeping an obsolete but still effective weapon will always be infinitely cheaper than producing a new weapon. The end of the Cold War lead to a slaughter of the M-14s that had survived.

No less than 479,367 M14 rifles were destroyed in 1993-94 alone and an unknown number were de-milled (cut with a blowtorch and welded shut) then transferred to JROTC units as non-firing drill weapons.


39 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: smokingfrog
The M14 EBR in 7.62 NATO has been employed in Iraq and Afghanistan for some time (about 2005). The stock (chassis) is made by Sage International. Once the M14 is bolted into this rigid stock, its long range accuracy shines. Here: http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html#m14

The photo shows a standard M14 rifle action in the Sage stock with minimal changes. Other EBR rifles have shortened barrels that can take a quick attach-detach sound suppressor. These rifles will be issued to Designated Marksmen in the unit. The DM provides long range over-watch for those armed with the smaller 5.56 NATO weapons (M16 and M4).

40 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:37 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Vesparado

And don’t dry fire it with out a snap cap or a casing that is already fired, other wise the firing pin will break.


41 posted on 09/15/2012 10:52:54 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: smokingfrog
Looks like the same weapon my nephew was using back in '05 or '06


42 posted on 09/15/2012 10:57:17 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Future Snake Eater; E. Pluribus Unum; USMCPOP
That’s a beautiful rifle right there...is it usable for left-handed firers?

Yep.

I qualified expert with both the M14 and the M1 Garand, which is much more difficult for a left handed shooter.

Generally they prefer that you fire right handed but an adept left handed shoter can handle either rifle with ease.

And, depending on available cover, a left handed shooter is sometimes handy to have around.


43 posted on 09/15/2012 11:03:12 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: centurion316

For humping the mountains in triple canopy jungle with many days between resupply, the M16/M4 is the way to go.


That’s my take. I always found the M-16A1 very reliable and more accurate than an AK. Yes, it requires maintenance. So does the M-14. I would much rather have 600 rounds (sometimes as much as 1200 rounds on my body.

Flipside is range. If I am in a rolling hills environment with engagement ranges out to 5-600 meters possible, obviously the M-14 is more capable. It is a sweet shooter.

That thing looks heavy.


44 posted on 09/15/2012 11:05:30 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: thefactor

Did you guys use these during your last training?


45 posted on 09/15/2012 11:09:22 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

I always preferred to run out of targets before I ran out of ammo.


46 posted on 09/15/2012 11:09:41 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: JoeProBono

Who makes that laser sight in the pic?


47 posted on 09/15/2012 11:11:57 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Iron Munro

I got to carry one around in ‘76.


48 posted on 09/15/2012 11:13:47 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BooBoo1000
Where you find that old “Dog”??

That's not an "Old Dog".

That's a brand new rifle.
You can buy it for $1,532.

Click the link on post 6.


49 posted on 09/15/2012 11:15:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: smokingfrog

7.62 vs. .223. No contest.


50 posted on 09/15/2012 11:19:46 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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