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Santorum: Without church, family, there is no conservative movement
CBS ^ | 9/15/12 | Lindsey Boerma

Posted on 09/15/2012 12:12:11 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton

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To: JCBreckenridge

Yes I agree. I am deeply religious. When I mentioned off-handedly to my then Presbyterian minister that I prayed and spoke with God daily he was very uncomfortable. It was “well that’s very nice but there is the real world.”

Of course there is the real world but when he asked me to send money to communists in Africa claiming some money will “trickle down” to those who need it, I began to object.

Most of the money was going to tyrants like Idi Amin.

Not gonna happen.

There were many other disagreements as well that we don’t have time to cover. Eventually I decided my relationship with God did not depend on my relationship with a church.

BTW the minister I refer to was head of the the Presbyterian church in ...ummm... the middle 80’s IIRC.

He once told me to submit to a local government charge against me and my family. I was unemployed and a “friend” claimed our children were being deprived because all other kids in our community had access to cable, video games and other perks.

At the time my oldest son became an Order of the Arrow and Eagle Scout. We could have cable and games however they were very low on our list. Bills first.

The minister advised that you can’t fight city hall and to let CYS take our children until we were on our feet.

We fought and we won. My one regret is that we didn’t pursue the issue.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 1:45:49 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
virtue comes from God.

Given that dictum, evil must also come from God.

22 posted on 09/15/2012 2:25:01 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Tublecane
The Fluke thing is about freedom of religion only because government is taking over healthcare.

Score!

23 posted on 09/15/2012 2:27:26 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: prisoner6

My father (Baptist), married to an Anglican lady (my mother) decided not to take communion. He would take us every week to church, my mother’s church.

The result? The reverend asked if the communion ‘wasn’t good enough for him’, and made an example of him in front of the entire congregation.

When he passed on, my mother wanted to hold the funeral in the same church. The fat lesbian priestess refused since she didn’t know him (they left long before she came), and that ‘his faith wasn’t strong’. I informed her that the Catholic church was more than willing to host the funeral. She reluctantly agreed (seeing dollar signs).

We got the reverend (not the one who told off my father), but the reverend who was very close to my mother and grandparents who actually attended my Catholic parish to come out. He was delighted to officiate, and thankfully the bishop gave him permission.

The same church that rejected him was absolutely packed with people wanting to pay their last respects. :)

As for me - I left when the bishop started ordaining woman and promoting homosexuality. That’s why I’m Catholic now and very thankful for it.

Glad you did the right thing by your children. :)

As I said, we need more people who have their head on straight.

Peace + Blessings Sir.


24 posted on 09/15/2012 2:29:55 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: OldNavyVet

“Given that dictum, evil must also come from God.”

You believe in free will?


25 posted on 09/15/2012 2:31:24 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You believe in free will?

Beliefs belong in chuch.

26 posted on 09/15/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet
As a potentiality, of course.

If He is the creator of our existence, everything within it springs from Him.

To put it another way, do you think we'd be capable of evil had we never been created?

But do you think God desires us to be evil?

27 posted on 09/15/2012 4:13:12 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: JCBreckenridge

Wonderful story! Exactly one of the problems with contemporary, organized religion.

Peace and Blessings back to you!


28 posted on 09/15/2012 4:17:51 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: OldNavyVet

So you believe in nossink.


29 posted on 09/15/2012 4:34:20 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: prisoner6

I’ll agree with contemporary. Any church that is trying to keep with the world is going to fall by the wayside.

The world does not love us. Christ even says that the world will hate and despise us for loving Him.


30 posted on 09/15/2012 4:36:34 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Iron Munro
Amen

+1

31 posted on 09/15/2012 4:40:31 PM PDT by tomkat
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