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Sudan rejects US request to send Marines to secure embassy (Why are we "requesting"?)
Fox News ^ | 9/15/2012 | staff

Posted on 09/15/2012 4:11:12 PM PDT by tobyhill

Sudan has rejected an offer by the United States to send Marines to increase security at the U.S. embassy in Khartoum, amid protesters and police clashing.

The announcement Saturday follows the United States saying it was sending Marines to Sudan to bolster security at the embassy, where Sudanese police reportedly fired on protestors trying to scale the compound walls.

“Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps,'' Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Karti told the state news agency SUNA, which Reuters reported Saturday.

As a result, the deployment has been delayed and possibly curtailed, said a U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to disclose details on the troop movement.

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KEYWORDS: americainperil; obama4islam; obamatheweak

1 posted on 09/15/2012 4:11:15 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Why are we "requesting"?

It's what you do in rotation with "apologizing".

2 posted on 09/15/2012 4:13:38 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: tobyhill

embassy is the country, so our embassy is out soil and we’re F-IN asking to send marines to protect our soil , our land, our territory?

This admin is a disgrace and this media are covering so uch now for their messiah that the GOP needs to cancel these debates, call them out and name names and what they say.


3 posted on 09/15/2012 4:14:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: tobyhill
Why are we "requesting"?

Because we've been knocked down a few notches... quite a few actually. How much longer of Obama can we take before our troops end up like the Soviet troops, without money and thumbing a ride back to the states from all the places in the world they were stationed?

Iran and North Korea are watching this comedy show.

To the world it looks like - we're done - toast - another Holland.

Thanks Obama

4 posted on 09/15/2012 4:17:05 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: tobyhill

We are requesting because Sudan is a sovereign country. We should just remove our people and not put them at risk. We are already removing non-essential personnel from Sudan. In the past we had an ambassador killed in Sudan. It is still a very dangerous place.


5 posted on 09/15/2012 4:20:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tobyhill

U.S. taxpayers gave them something like $500 million last year. We have been throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into that Muslim rat hole since the 1950s. Time to pull the plug.


6 posted on 09/15/2012 4:24:32 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: kabar

The world is on fire. Lets wait on proper approvals then go in and pick up the bodies. That is the Hillary way.


7 posted on 09/15/2012 4:25:43 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: tobyhill

The Sudanese government may think some of their citizens are planning on seizing the U.S. embassy.


8 posted on 09/15/2012 4:27:31 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: tobyhill

Obama is such an international joke, he has to go begging on his knees to the bug-eating dictators of Sudan in order to keep our personnel safe. It’s no surprise. It’s still fresh in my memory, seeing Obama kowtowing to the tin pot tyrants in Latin America. If the president can be forced to bend to the will of Hugo Chavez and the plastic queen of Argentina, prepare to be told what we can and can’t do by some of the lowest filth Africa has to offer.

Allen West was right. The admin is pathetic.


9 posted on 09/15/2012 4:28:09 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: tobyhill

“Sudan rejects US request to send Marines to secure embassy”

Fine. Pull the embassy contingent. Get the “H” out of there until relations can be restored if they can. We don’t need them.


10 posted on 09/15/2012 4:28:12 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: kabar
Our embassy is sovereign territory too and short of pulling every single American out, our Marines maybe their only defense.
11 posted on 09/15/2012 4:28:24 PM PDT by tobyhill (Obamacare, the final nail in the US coffin.)
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To: tobyhill

So when do the U.S. Marines need an invite? It is time to just send them in and do the job!


12 posted on 09/15/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: La Lydia

My reply on another thread;

“Close our embassy. Kick their diplomats out of the US. Don’t give any of them visas to come to the UN. Stop all flow of our money to them. I don’t care if their kids don’t wear shoes! That’s their problem! None of my tax money should be sent there! I’m losing ground rapidly here!”


13 posted on 09/15/2012 4:29:59 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Obama and Hillary want to send in the Marines to protect the embassy with rocks. No bullets allowed.


14 posted on 09/15/2012 4:33:26 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: RobinOfKingston

Our soil! Our people! Why request? Obozo is a useless piece of whale dung at the bottom of the ocean!


15 posted on 09/15/2012 4:34:32 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: tobyhill

I pray for all the Marines that this administration has put in harm’s way. There was a Freeper a few days ago that said their son was on a team that might be called in to defend embassies in the Middle East. Does anyone know if he is alright? That’s all I have been able to think about since all these riots have broken out.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 4:36:17 PM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Bogus, my dear, we are two hearts that beat as one on this issue. No more money, and all of them — diplomats and otherwise — have to leave our soil. No more of them can enter our country. With all the money we have given them, their kids should have Imelda Marcos-class shoe collections. They and their thieving, corrupt, blood-thirsty country can all go to hell. One of the few places in the world where slavery still exists.


17 posted on 09/15/2012 4:39:37 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: tobyhill

At some point you gotta go Ripley on ‘em.


18 posted on 09/15/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Taranto: "The whole point of the metaphor is that if you can hear the whistle, you're the dog.")
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
We need proper approvals. If we want the Marines to go in and get our people out withot the government of Sudan's approval, you do that but it will mean severing diplomatic relations. The Sudanese government was protecting our Embassy. I watched their military and police beating back the mobs with clubs.

The Marines are sent in to augment host country security, not to replace it. We have to make a decision and say if you don't approve, then we will order our Embassy closed and demand that the Sudanese Embassy in Washington be closed or at least the Ambassador sent home.

19 posted on 09/15/2012 4:42:04 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tobyhill
LOL. Our Embassy exists in Khartoum with the approval of the Sudanese government. We don't force countries to have an American Embassy. It is reciprocal when you decide to have diplomatic relations with another country.

If we pull out completely, it is up to the host government to respect our property. Usually, if we terminate relations with a country, we designate another country to represent our interests or in certain cases we will locate US diplomats in another courtry's embassy and set up a US interest section.

20 posted on 09/15/2012 4:48:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tobyhill

Just send in the Marines! What is wrong with those people? We don’t ask whom to send to our own embassies, we JUST DO IT.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 4:48:45 PM PDT by madison10
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To: tobyhill

Actually, this goes back a long way. Embassies may only use the “Marines” of their country as military guards. Not soldiers or sailors. And the number of those Marines is rigidly fixed by treaty, and can only be augmented with permission of the host nation.

This treaty is so rust proof that countries that don’t even have Marines have to designate some of their soldiers as Marines and give them distinctive uniforms different from their army or navy, solely to use them as embassy guards.

Typically, that is why US Marines have such a strict rotation for embassy duty. If a new one arrives, an old one must leave.


22 posted on 09/15/2012 4:54:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: kabar

I think we get the concept of having to ask. The incredulity is that despite all the aid we supply to these thugs, Obama appears to have zero leverage over them. That’s the point here.


23 posted on 09/15/2012 4:54:19 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kabar

Did you see the police beating back the mob? I saw a single shot that showed an officer in riot gear bash someone with a club then begin to mill around uselessly while the mob tore down a fence and one attempted to smash 10 inch thick windows with his bug-roasting stick.

You can tell when the police are secretly on the side of the mob. As much as I detest Australia’s spineless approach to the Islamization of their country, it was good to see security sicking dogs on these crazies and spraying their faces with pepper. That’s how you do it.


24 posted on 09/15/2012 5:02:40 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: tobyhill
“Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps,

Well if this is true it is a good thing

25 posted on 09/15/2012 5:04:33 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

It was my experience that the host country sets the number of embassy staff is allowed. In most countries, the foreign ministries are reasonable and give us carte Blanche to staff our missions. In some countries, the host ministry says OK, you can have 50 billets. It’s up to the ambassador to decide who fills what billet. Usually the MSGs are included in that billet count.


26 posted on 09/15/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I do not believe that Sudan has anything of material value that we can’t live without.

I do not care one whit about the health or welfare of any citizen of the Sudan.

I do not care for the health or welfare of any person but those of my house right now. Until we can take care of our own I have no regard for any others whatsoever. None.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 5:20:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Sequoyah101

After some digging, I can’t find a single notable thing we trade with Sudan.

Export 2011

14.7 million

Import 2011

6.2 million

It’s a barren wasteland full of Jihadists. We won’t miss them.


28 posted on 09/15/2012 5:25:00 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sequoyah101

We have got to stop throwing away money on people who hate us! It’s incredibly stoopid! My policy for the garbagistan nations would be: We’re outa here. No more money. And if anything, ANYTHING,, comes from your country that damages us or our interests, you have 24 hours to get your citizens out of your cities. Because in 24 hours, you will have no more cities, no gas or electric works, no bridges, no railroads, etc., etc.. It’s past time to stomp on these spiders. < And that period is serious! It’s the only thing these inbred savages will understand!


29 posted on 09/15/2012 5:45:22 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Sequoyah101

“I do not believe that Sudan has anything of material value that we can’t live without.”

Material, no. However, they are strongly Islamist, and centrally located, where it would be very good to get an intelligence heads up what they were about.

For example, Sudan might suddenly get a big influx of Egyptians if its regime goes belly up. Likewise it can make trouble for Christian South Sudan, Ethiopia, Libya and the Red Sea, which is a strategic sea lane.

Bottom line: Embassies do a lot more than diplomacy. They are not terribly expensive compared to what we might get from them.


30 posted on 09/15/2012 6:31:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

And the vital information our embassy in Libya was able to learn that protected it was??

“For example, Sudan might suddenly get a big influx of Egyptians if its regime goes belly up. Likewise it can make trouble for Christian South Sudan, Ethiopia, Libya and the Red Sea, which is a strategic sea lane.”

This I understand but we are going to do what about protecting South Sudan and Libya is? As for the Red Sea, Egypt is a pretty big country all along one side and Yemen isn’t what I would call an enthusiastic U.S. Ally... they pretty much guard the other end of the Red Sea.

I stand by my view that Sudan isn’t terribly material to us.


31 posted on 09/15/2012 6:52:32 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Sequoyah101

The US is very interested in a region of Africa called the Maghreb. This is because al-Qaeda is putting a lot of time, effort, money and resources into moving to this multinational region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghreb

While Sudan isn’t in the Maghreb proper, it is the gateway to the Maghreb via eastern Africa. And since the US has discreetly deployed lots of elite forces to help keep the Maghreb clean, they probably get a lot of command and control from the US embassy in Sudan.

So much of what the US does in Africa is discreet, but we do like to “keep our irons in the fire”.


32 posted on 09/15/2012 7:03:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Viennacon

I watched it live on Al Jazeera TV. We get it here over the airwaves in DC. They have the best coverage of ME events.


33 posted on 09/15/2012 9:58:33 PM PDT by kabar
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