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Report: Obama to meet with Netanyahu, as Naval ships heading for Strait of Hormuz
American Thinker ^ | September 15, 2012 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 09/15/2012 6:52:23 PM PDT by tapatio

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To: Jedidah

Great post!


51 posted on 09/15/2012 9:23:10 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Pining_4_TX

Actually, Obama is dictating to Israel.

Since his country is at risk, Netanyahu just isn’t interested in listening any longer.

Put the shoe on the other foot.


52 posted on 09/15/2012 9:28:20 PM PDT by berdie
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To: wtd
Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.
53 posted on 09/15/2012 9:32:02 PM PDT by wtd
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To: TBP

to keep the shipping channel open


54 posted on 09/15/2012 9:32:21 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Well, that’s the stated reason, anyway.


55 posted on 09/15/2012 9:34:57 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: mass55th
Another do-over for Bambi.

Or he wants to make sure we get involved in a war as an October Surprise to ensure his own re-election.

56 posted on 09/15/2012 9:39:34 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: matginzac

It’s because Bibi will be making the rounds on the Sunday morning talk shows today. It’s just more campaigning by obama and not necessarily an effort to help.


57 posted on 09/15/2012 10:46:40 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Fast Moving Angel; Yehuda
:-) I never get tired of that picture of Bibi ... but the other side, on the other hand ... :b

Regarding those side-by-side comparison photos: Obama is on the other side all right...

sitra achra (lit., "the other side"; Aram.): that aspect of the universe which is opposite to the aspect of holiness; the forces of evil

58 posted on 09/15/2012 11:52:42 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Chode

It is amazing how well that picture still represents things 30 or so years later.


59 posted on 09/16/2012 3:00:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Pining_4_TX
And why should Bibi or any other foreign leader dictate to the US? If Israel attacks Iran, it may very well result in US ships being attacked and many lives lost. The already fragile world economy will implode, and we could descend into depression and anarchy.

So, according to you we need to take a long-term ally and ask her to roll over to expose her belly and throat because the policies of this administration have put her in the deepest peril she has been in for half a century and it would now be inconvenient if she fights for her life? We have counselled restraint for decades and Israel has put up with thousands of rocket attacks and other atrocities to keep us happy and to keep up the facade of hoping for peace with the animals who attack her. The Obama Administration welcomes your support.

60 posted on 09/16/2012 4:11:47 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Pining_4_TX

You are right. We should just tell Israel to allow Iran to gain a Nuclear warhead so they can be blown to kingdom come.
/s/


61 posted on 09/16/2012 4:15:38 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: All

FWIW, ever hurts to fill up the gas tank.


62 posted on 09/16/2012 4:19:19 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“...I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you...” Gen. 12:3

Bibi isn’t God, but Israel is the Lord’s land.

We know who is currently cursing Israel.

Do you really want to be counted with that crowd?


63 posted on 09/16/2012 6:03:59 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: luvbach1
I’m afraid the Bamster will slip the timing of the attack to Iran if Bibi shares it with him.

How much you wanna bet that attack happens while they are meeting? Bibi is there to hold 0bama's hand.

64 posted on 09/16/2012 6:12:12 AM PDT by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Thankfully, I just filled up @ $4.29 a gallon.......lucky me!


65 posted on 09/16/2012 6:12:12 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: uncbob

He’s probably already back on the cocaine and WILL indeed blow a gasket very soon.

I just hope it’s on national tv for ALL to see.


66 posted on 09/16/2012 6:13:58 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: All

So attempting to tap the SPR didn’t work, QE3 didn’t work, the Arab Spring has blown-up in his face and now what does he have left?


67 posted on 09/16/2012 6:21:29 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: tapatio

1) Israel attacks Iran.

2) Egypt, under control of muslim brotherhood, cancels peace treaty with Israel, sides with Iran and attacks Israel resulting in two large, well armed countries at war with Israel.

3) Hezbollah, which fought Israel’s army to a standstill in 2006, attacks Israel from Lebanon.

4) Iran and Egypt manage to sink ships in Straight of Hormuz, cutting off oil supply to the west.

Mayan’s December 2012 calendar anyone?


68 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:08 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: newnhdad

So attempting to tap the SPR didn’t work, QE3 didn’t work, the Arab Spring has blown-up in his face and now what does he have left?...THE RACE CARD!!!


69 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:53 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Bellflower

Here is the message I have sent to PM Netanyahu:

Dear Prime Minister Netanyahu;

Daily prayers are being lifted up for You and Israel. I am an American and a Christian and I am appalled by the behavior of certain persons in my government who have been so disrespectful to you and to Israel, Our ONLY reliable Ally in the Mideast. Please understand that the words and actions of the few do NOT represent the true feelings of most decent Americans.

Am Yisroyel Chai!
Blessings and May you have a peaceful and Prosperous and healthy New Year.
L’Shana Tovah.

Mary-Lou

Thank You for the link!
Happy New Year.


70 posted on 09/16/2012 6:34:00 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Safetgiver

Left out control of the media where the vast majority of people get their news from.


71 posted on 09/16/2012 6:35:03 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Many Jews will still vote for Obama unfortunately because they are simply blinded by their own Liberalism and Social Justice agenda. Remember many bleeding heart Jews are for all human rights and forms of expression including national Liberation movements (like the PLO)., Everyone has a right to self-determination EXCEPT Jews and Israelis. It is a sickness that needs to be dealt with.

This Jew will be voting Republican again, for the 9th time.
As Jews move away from who they are they become confused and blurred in the sense as to why they exist at all so they get easily carried away by slogans like BHO’s “Change”.
Israelis on the other hand know that death is close at hand and are, therefore, more realistic. Hence they are more Conservative and reject BHO completely. American Jews live in a fantasy land where all Republicans are gigar-chomping, greedy Capitalists who want to embroil the US in wars all the time yet they ignore the fact that it is the Democrats who so weaken this country that eventually causes her to stumble into a pre-war position in the first place.

Jews, wake up, the Jihad knife is getting closer. Keep Obama's minions away from power, vote Romney-Ryan!

72 posted on 09/16/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: chessplayer
Egypt, under control of muslim brotherhood, cancels peace treaty with Israel, sides with Iran and attacks Israel resulting in two large, well armed countries at war with Israel.

I don't think the Egyptian Army wants any part of a war with Israel
73 posted on 09/16/2012 6:40:28 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: garjog

Not Armageddon. The Ezekiel 38 war. Very different events in prophesy. And it is never a “kick” to be alive in times like this. Sobering, awe inspiring, but not to be taken lightly. I believe we are about to see God act openly in human history as He has not done for about 2000 years. We will see real “shock and awe” Do you have Jesus as your shield?


74 posted on 09/16/2012 6:41:42 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mrs.Z

I do not believe that the modern state of Israel is the same as the OT Israel. However, even if I did believe that, one has to look at the consequences of an attack on Iran for all involved

First, Israel is inlikely to do this because the entire Arab world would turn on them and fight. So, their saber rattling is intended to persuade the US to launch an attack for them. Either way, the results would be catastrophic.


75 posted on 09/16/2012 6:50:46 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Venturer; trebb; berdie

Mr. Netanyahu is attempting to get the US to attack, and that is the reason for the constant saber rattling with no action. As far as I can tell, Israel has pretty much done what it wants to do regardless of what the US says. It puts what it sees as its interests first, which is something all other countries but the US seem to do.

If there is an attack on Iran, it will lead to far more disastrous consequences than what the politicians say will happen. How many times in history have men promised a conflict will be short and successful, and how many times has that actually happened?

President Reagan helped to bring down the Soviet Union without military action, and that was one of his greatest accomplishments. If you say “Aqua-velva-dab” is nuts and will do anything, perhaps he is, but the entire leadership and military of Iran is not.

The main threat to the US are the Muslims we have within our borders. We should refuse to allow any Muslims to immigrate to this country, or even to go to school here. If I were Empress for a Month, I would kick all Muslims out and demolish the mosques. Iran is not a pressing problem for the US. Let Israel fight its own battles.


76 posted on 09/16/2012 6:59:16 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: FreedomPoster
isn't it...
77 posted on 09/16/2012 6:59:45 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pining_4_TX
President Reagan helped to bring down the Soviet Union without military action, and that was one of his greatest accomplishments. If you say “Aqua-velva-dab” is nuts and will do anything, perhaps he is, but the entire leadership and military of Iran is not. The main threat to the US are the Muslims we have within our borders. We should refuse to allow any Muslims to immigrate to this country, or even to go to school here. If I were Empress for a Month, I would kick all Muslims out and demolish the mosques. Iran is not a pressing problem for the US. Let Israel fight its own battles.

The Soviet Union wasn't a radical "religious" entity. A truly united Middle East with Iran as the acknowledged head would prove to be seriously disaterous for a long time and would eventually require a lot more nukes than anyone in their right mind wants to contemplate to defang. I'm with your Empress for a Day plan - it's our own misguided policies that have given them the current foothold. But, it is far too late in the game for that to serve as a true fix - I would guess that there are some nukes with our name on them waiting for the right time and "provocation. It has all been allowed to go on for far too long to get a "shotless" solution.

I would say that Netanyahu's "saber-rattling" is actually the sound of an Israel that has been backed into a corner by her supposed allies and she will have no choice but to actually take some swipes. Bibi knows as well as anyone what the potential ramifications are and he is hoping for at least some tacit moral support to keep the whole area from going geiger counter hot. For Israel, it's now a true case of fighting for survival and I would posit, that if it were my country I would be willing to take it to any lengths to fight for survival - we have always been a modicum of a deterrent and under this administration we have become openly hostile to Israel which leaves them in the inenviable position of having to make horribly hard decisions.

78 posted on 09/16/2012 7:19:24 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb

Of course, I disagree. If Mr. Netanyahu were going to attack, he would just do it. He is agitating for the US to attack. Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East, and it can protect itself if attacked. Due to demographics and other changes, that may not be true in the future, and that is what worries them. As we have seen, the US is fast losing its ability to control what happens around the world. For us to engage in another conflict now when we are entangled in 2 wars already and we are BROKE, would only hasten our own destruction.

How about we fix the US first?


79 posted on 09/16/2012 7:23:17 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: matginzac

BiBi should just shake his head yes then do what he wants anyway. Obama will throw Israel under the bus and we know it.


80 posted on 09/16/2012 7:25:40 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: uncbob

I don’t think the Egyptian Army wants any part of a war with Israel


They shouldn’t be taken lightly. They came very close to defeating Israel in 1973. Granted they caught Israel by surprise, but the Egyptian Army still gave the Israeli Army all it could handle. I think we still hang on to the myth (because of the 1967 war)that the Israeli military is invincible. It isn’t. Same with Israel’s intelligence services. They are good, but not perfect. Egypt caught them completely flat footed in 1973.


81 posted on 09/16/2012 7:41:30 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Pining_4_TX

The problem is that America has always been touted as a Free coutry, especially for religious freedom.

However I don’t believe the founders ever thought of Islam as a parasitic religion that would one day set out to destroy the country it feeds off of.

I agree we should strictly limit immigration of Islamics and we should watch those already her to see thatthey do not threaten us with Sharia law or their crazed jihads.

Certainly Israel is looking out for itself, it would be crazy not to. They know all too well what happens when a mob run by fanatics is on the loose. Our American politicians are trying to act as though nothing is wrong as country after country is being swallowed up by crazed Muslims.

George Bush called Islam a religion of peace, one of his most stupid quotes.Islam is a conquering reich, just as the Nazi’s were.The religious aspect of it is a sham, a cover.It is there to fool the ignorant.

I don’t believe anyone has an idea the Consequences of attacking Iran now.
But even I know the consequences of a crazed, suicidal, pumped up mob, with a Nuclear weapon and a promise to annihilate Israel.
We cannot allow this crazed pack of heathen beheaders to gain a Nuclear weapon, and the means to deliver it. No matter the consequences now, they are better than the consequences later.


82 posted on 09/16/2012 7:46:18 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

By the way I went to Mass this morning, I prayed for Peace.

What do you think Ahmadinejahad prayed for?


83 posted on 09/16/2012 7:50:45 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: chessplayer

There is no benefit to their army in a war .They don’t even want the present government


84 posted on 09/16/2012 7:52:20 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: BlueStateRightist

Isreal is not going to do anything to assist in nobama reelection. They know and history proves that once Romney is elected everything in raghead world will suddenly become nice.


85 posted on 09/16/2012 7:55:42 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Of course, I disagree. If Mr. Netanyahu were going to attack, he would just do it. He is agitating for the US to attack. Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East, and it can protect itself if attacked. Due to demographics and other changes, that may not be true in the future, and that is what worries them. As we have seen, the US is fast losing its ability to control what happens around the world. For us to engage in another conflict now when we are entangled in 2 wars already and we are BROKE, would only hasten our own destruction. How about we fix the US first?

Just out of curiosity; are you a Ron Paul fan?

The main reason the "kinetic operations" we are now engaged in are flpps is our lack of resolve to actually make them hurt. In a way, I almost agree with you - if we aren't going to let them taste our steel, we need to be out of there. On the flip side, it will only do what the Fed is doing to the economy - put the facade of "success" on it until it's so broken that the final crash is going to be ten times as serious as it should be. "Fixing the US first" will require much domestic pain and the willingness to make our enemies fear us instead of hating and killing us with disdain and the next best thing to impunity.

86 posted on 09/16/2012 7:57:49 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Pining_4_TX

RonPaul could not have said that better.

Now the rest of us will get back to looking for the real solution.


87 posted on 09/16/2012 8:05:42 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: tapatio

I just pray that Bibi doesn’t tell Obama anything he doesn’t want slipped to the whole Arab world.


88 posted on 09/16/2012 8:17:52 AM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: EBH
How much you wanna bet that attack happens while they [Bibi and 0bummer] are meeting?

Interesting idea and quite the possible scenario. Reminds me of Jap (that's what we called them) envoys meeting with leaders in Washington simultaneous to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Not comparing Bibi's likely action to the perfidy of the Nipponese. Just saw a parallel in Bibi's meeting with "the enemy" simultaneous with an Israel attack on Iran.

89 posted on 09/16/2012 8:21:07 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: chessplayer
Alternate scenario:

1) Israel attacks Iran.[delivering a crippling initial blow with its detonation of an EMP device]

2) Egypt, under control of muslim brotherhood, cancels peace treaty with Israel, sides with Iran and attacks Israel resulting in two large, well armed countries at war with Israel.[US cuts off all aid to Egypt, including parts for its American weapon systems]

3) Hezbollah, which fought Israel’s army to a standstill in 2006, attacks Israel from Lebanon.[Israel engages Hezbollah to a standstill. It's fighting for its life]

4) Iran and Egypt manage to sink ships in Straight of Hormuz, cutting off oil supply to the west.[Egypt and Iran are unable to block the Straight of Hormuz, oil flow continues]

Mayan’s December 2012 calendar anyone? [Mayan calendar doomsday is proven a myth]

90 posted on 09/16/2012 8:31:23 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Iran is not a pressing problem for the US. Let Israel fight its own battles.

Iran wants "the bomb" for the "Little Satan," Israel, and the "Big Satan," America.

91 posted on 09/16/2012 8:37:05 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: matginzac

But...he has to pay 40 K for his plate.


92 posted on 09/16/2012 8:43:26 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Bellflower

Thank you for the address. I have sent an encouragement as
you suggested. I have so much resoect for Bibi and many
times I wish he were our president.


93 posted on 09/16/2012 8:54:38 AM PDT by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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To: tapatio; All
We are being played people...

Obama is only doing it to look for support amongst American Jews on Rosh Hashanah, plain and simple, his internals must be horrible in the Jewish Community....

94 posted on 09/16/2012 9:51:10 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: tapatio

“...as President Barack Obama is scheduled to meet Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, today to discuss the Iranian crisis.” -— Sean Rayment

I haven’t seen this meeting confirmed anywhere else. Netanyahu was on two Sunday morning programs and didn’t mention it. In fact, when asked, he mentioned that the scheduling wasn’t going to work out on this upcoming trip to the US.

He said nothing about a meeting with Obama “today” or “tomorrow.”

Any indication that Obama has changed his mind about a meeting with Netanyahu needs to be confirmed by another source.


95 posted on 09/16/2012 10:51:48 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: txrefugee

He may very well say to obama “Our missiles will launch in about 5 minutes. Tell all the muslims. I don’t care.”

If this happens.....life as we know it will change.


96 posted on 09/16/2012 1:29:21 PM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons are extremely afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: garjog

What it will mean to me is I missed the rapture.


97 posted on 09/16/2012 1:37:40 PM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons are extremely afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: Mom MD

“never a “kick” to be alive in times like this. Sobering, awe inspiring, but not to be taken lightly. ... We will see real “shock and awe” Do you have Jesus as your shield?”

Well, by kick I mean exciting. (Trying to be ironic a bit too since the end of the world is usually associated with massive suffering and death).

We could be the very last generation since Adam. Wow.

Jesus shield? Yes, absolutely.

Attention Freepers — How to face the end of the world with good cheer? Get your shield here: http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps-english.html


98 posted on 09/16/2012 1:39:59 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: combat_boots

Nice! PREZBO wouldn’t know how to properly board a ship....much less get around on one.


99 posted on 09/16/2012 1:45:03 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: tapatio

So this begs the question: Front door or Il Duce’s traditional back door entrance for the Jew?


100 posted on 09/16/2012 1:50:01 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Principles aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. I'm voting Romney. God help me.)
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