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Taliban Attack Kills Two U.S. Marines, Destroys Six Jets
WSJ ^ | 9/16 | nathan hodge

Posted on 09/16/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by RummyChick

Edited on 09/16/2012 6:15:43 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

KABUL—The Taliban's weekend assault on a major coalition base was one of the most determined and effective ever seen in Afghanistan, according to details released Sunday, destroying six U.S. combat jets and damaging two others.

In addition to the Taliban strike, which killed two U.S. Marines Friday night, two separate insider attacks by Afghan service members claimed the lives of six coalition troops. A lethal coalition airstrike, meanwhile, threatened to raise additional tensions in the country, amid reports of civilian casualties.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3maw; 3rdmaw; afghanistan; fallen; gwot; harriers; marineaviation; obama; taliban; yuma
6 harrier jets...a coup for the ragheads
1 posted on 09/16/2012 6:10:01 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Under Obama
"The well-coordinated attack destroyed six Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier jump-jets, the largest single loss of U.S. combat aircraft since the war began. It also "significantly" damaged two others, and destroyed three refueling stations, the coalition said. Harrier jets cost an inflation-adjusted $30 million to $40 million apiece when they were acquired in the 1980s and early 1990s."
2 posted on 09/16/2012 6:11:10 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

The only way they could have done this is for our guard to have been completely down.


3 posted on 09/16/2012 6:14:25 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: RummyChick

Unbelievable.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 6:16:40 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“The only way they could have done this is for our guard to have been completely down.”

Not to mention a complicit C-in-C who orchestrates military actions (ours and the enemies’) for political gain and to “fundamentally transform America”.


5 posted on 09/16/2012 6:17:08 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: RummyChick
A lethal coalition airstrike, meanwhile, threatened to raise additional tensions in the country, amid reports of civilian casualties.

What a joke. We could shoot EVERY single F ghanistanican and never hit a civilian.

6 posted on 09/16/2012 6:18:34 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Dudoight

WWW3 will Start in one month. The mad mullas will nuke somebody right after the election. It matters not to them who wins our election!


7 posted on 09/16/2012 6:23:07 AM PDT by primatreat (I am really tired of "0"s hustlers slinging defecation.)
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To: RummyChick
Taliban Attack Kills Two U.S. Marines, Destroys Six Jets
History repeating itself ...A month later, 3500 Marines landed in DaNang ... and the rest is history.
8 posted on 09/16/2012 6:29:46 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

They didn’t have a Commie Vietnamese Sympathizer as President.


9 posted on 09/16/2012 6:38:38 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

disarm all the Afghani soldiers immediately, send them home, carpet bomb the whole f country and Pakistan like we did Germany and Japan in WW2.


10 posted on 09/16/2012 6:45:32 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ( . Who knew??)
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To: RummyChick

Interesting how the destruction of the 6 jets wasn’t reported by the MSM (network news).


11 posted on 09/16/2012 6:48:50 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: RummyChick

I think there were only 8 there. They wiped out the whole detachment of jets. Wanna bet they had large numbers of Afghans in the security force?

Also, our rules of engagement probably blunted the initial violence of our normal response.


12 posted on 09/16/2012 6:54:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: rbg81
wasn’t reported by the MSM(sic)

The DLEMM - Dominant Liberal Establishment Mass Media - is the farthest thing you could get from mainstream.

13 posted on 09/16/2012 6:56:34 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: RummyChick; oh8eleven
They didn’t have a Commie Vietnamese Sympathizer as President.

B-b-b-bb-bb-but what about????...


14 posted on 09/16/2012 6:58:35 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: RummyChick

I said it last night. The base commander should be shot.


15 posted on 09/16/2012 6:59:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RummyChick

If ZeroBama wasn’t the pResident the press would be calling this Tet II.


16 posted on 09/16/2012 7:00:07 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: RummyChick

“The Taliban’s weekend assault on a major coalition base was one of the most determined and effective ever seen in Afghanistan, according to details released Sunday, destroying six U.S. combat jets and damaging two others.”

Bad moon rising. PC whirlwind. Oil skyrockets. Interesting times.


17 posted on 09/16/2012 7:05:01 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Feckless

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9545508/Ive-been-inside-Camp-Bastion-and-it-seemed-like-the-safest-place-on-earth.html

“But the events of last Friday, when a force of Taliban gunmen managed to move up to and breach the Bastion’s security at around 10.15pm (local time), supposedly without being seen or heard, have sent a shock wave through Nato’s high command. “


18 posted on 09/16/2012 7:06:16 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: bigheadfred

19 posted on 09/16/2012 7:07:18 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Did you catch the ufo rover Curiosity photographed on Mars????


20 posted on 09/16/2012 7:09:46 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
British press reports that the attackers passed checkpoints since they were unarmed, and then retrieved weapons cached near the base. The attackers then tunneled under the fence wire and entered the base near the US airplanes. The two US Marines killed were the first resistance that the Taliban met, and no doubt their brave actions saved the base from further damage.

According to the same press reports the attackers were within 400 yards of Prince Andrew at one point.

21 posted on 09/16/2012 7:33:58 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: RummyChick

See my tagline


22 posted on 09/16/2012 7:38:58 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: RummyChick
Late Friday night, insurgents disguised in U.S. Army uniforms...

The story still needs some ironing out so reports don't conflict...

Prince Harry targeted in fatal Taliban attack on 'impregnable' military base
Senior defence sources have told The Sunday Telegraph that the Taliban launched the attack after posing as farmers in a near by maize plantation.

Men in US Army uniforms posing as farmers?

23 posted on 09/16/2012 7:39:47 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
The only way they could have done this is for our guard to have been completely down.

Some interesting details pertaining to that mentioned in the link at reply 23.

24 posted on 09/16/2012 7:41:47 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick
No mention in that article of US Army uniforms either.
And if the intention was to blend in wouldn't Marine uniforms be more appropriate since Marines, not the Army, are stationed there?

The remaining fighters poured into the base firing mortars and RPGs, as well as Kalashnikov AK-47 automatic weapons.

And I really wouldn't give a flying (%^) what uniform they're wearing.
When they're using the weapon of the enemy they're dead meat.

This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy;
and it makes a distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.

25 posted on 09/16/2012 7:49:59 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I think the farmer bit is them casing the place.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 7:52:12 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: philman_36
According to that account:

Camp Bastion, which is currently estimated to occupy an area similar to the town of Reading, is ringed by 30ft wire fences topped with triple concertina barbed wire. ...Large areas of the base are also protected by a 24 mile long, 30 ft high concrete blast wall interspersed with watch towers equipped with floodlights and manned by heavily armed, specially trained troops. ...The camp is located in the central Helmand desert and is completely isolated, with the exception of a few small farms close to the eastern perimeter. ...All approaches to the base are carefully monitored and the British protection force is equipped with a variety of surveillance devices and radar which should be able to identify any movement on the ground or in the air out to a range of 20 miles.

An air base with a 24mile perimeter wall and fence which is 30 ft tall?

27 posted on 09/16/2012 7:55:10 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: freeandfreezing; Mr Ramsbotham
The attackers then tunneled under the fence wire and entered the base near the US airplanes.
Where the hell did you read that?!
The accounts I've been reading say one dumb ass blew himself up to make a 5' wide hole in the fence.

They must not be able to get wire cutters over there.
Or maybe that simply would have taken too long.

28 posted on 09/16/2012 7:55:53 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
From the Telegraph..


29 posted on 09/16/2012 8:00:01 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
An air base with a 24mile perimeter wall and fence which is 30 ft tall?
I can believe the 24 mile perimeter. The 30' tall fence? Not so much.
30 posted on 09/16/2012 8:05:12 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Cvengr

Yeah, I saw it. It doesn’t mention US Army uniforms in that article either, does it?


31 posted on 09/16/2012 8:06:29 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Cvengr
See my reply 25?

"No mention in that article of US Army uniforms either."

It was in reply to the reply with that article in it.

32 posted on 09/16/2012 8:09:29 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

Maybe one of our generals could call them and ask them to consider stopping this kind of behavior because it might upset someone.


33 posted on 09/16/2012 8:10:51 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RummyChick

The USMC just bought the ENTIRE fleet (less two aircraft that went to museums) of RAF Harrier GR.9s for a total of around $100 million. Some of them were going to be put back in service as attrition replacements, I guess the Marines will just pull 6-8 more out of AMARG.


34 posted on 09/16/2012 8:11:29 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: RummyChick
I think the farmer bit is them casing the place.
Why would they need to "case the place" if they got "insider info" on a hole in the defense? Just drive right up to it and attack.

It's not like they couldn't get an overhead image of the base and pinpoint the location that way.

35 posted on 09/16/2012 8:14:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

No mention of a challenge and password being used. Uniforms are easy to obtain, passwords and comms frequencies are not.
I could not read the rest of the article to see if there was any mention of it.

I doubt that any of the attackers were taken alive. If so, after they have properly interrogated him/them, they should promptly execute him/them for violating the rules of war.


36 posted on 09/16/2012 8:18:00 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Cvengr

I don’t understand why a newspaper would publish this info in the first place.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 8:20:53 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: philman_36

Could be.

Perhaps there is confusion regarding a jet blast wall somewhere being 30 ft tall.???

I would think in the middle of the desert, a wider strip of multiple fence lines would present a better barrier, but I don’t know the topography involved. Maybe it provides concealment for tarmac activity from off base observation/direct fire weapons.

I would think an immediate response would be to get the heliborne resources aloft immediately. A couple of Cobras would seem to have nipped lots of the problem in the bud.

Local security might be airdale implemented. Maybe a grunt company needs to be dispatched to the area for immediate response.


38 posted on 09/16/2012 8:25:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RummyChick

Whose interests are we serving in being there being targets?


39 posted on 09/16/2012 8:26:38 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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And think about this...they drove up in pickup trucks and then jumped out and ran in through the breached fence.

Why not simply breach the chain link fence by driving the trucks right through it instead of blowing up the fence and alerting everybody to your presence?
And trucks would also get you to your desired location much faster than running on foot.

If that's the best these guys can do...it just boggles the mind.

40 posted on 09/16/2012 8:27:20 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Of course, US Army uniforms might have been more conspicuous than local insurgent attire, seeing how many locals we hire as contractors. /s


41 posted on 09/16/2012 8:29:04 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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...get the heliborne resources aloft immediately.
And to think...those guys managed to run (???) unnoticed, carrying AK-47s and RPGs, all the way from the breach point to where the helos were parked to blow two of them up.

Simply amazing...or simply public consumption.

42 posted on 09/16/2012 8:32:07 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

barry very pleased


43 posted on 09/16/2012 8:41:22 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: philman_36

It’s believable.

Attack in the hours of darkness by only 18/19 suicide attackers.

Probably minimal personnel physically between the perimeter and the objective, local guards.

Too many rear area security commanders forget all barriers must be kept under observation to retain their effectiveness, otherwise they simply delay an attacker by minutes.


44 posted on 09/16/2012 8:45:22 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: philman_36
The British press, as usual has more detailed articles than the US main stream media. Of course they could be wrong too, but here is an article with details on the attack and how the fence wire was breached.

Mail Online

45 posted on 09/16/2012 11:50:42 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
The British press, as usual has more detailed articles than the US main stream media.

Well how about that! Two different articles by the British press and neither of them quite give the same story.

One has the fence being blown up and one has the attackers digging under the fence.

I just wish they would get their details straight. They're almost as bad as the US press.

46 posted on 09/16/2012 1:43:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
If the reports of a wall and a fence outside of it are true, it would make sense if the attackers tunneled under the fence and then breached the wall with an explosive. Not much sense in detonating an explosive charge to announce your presence before even getting to the wall.

But you are correct that there are many stories floating around today for every news event, and the media doesn't seem to want to take the effort to figure out what really happened.

47 posted on 09/16/2012 4:12:41 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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