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State Dept. Rules of Engagement Kept Marines out of Tripoli, Benghazi in Libya
Breitbart ^ | September 14, 2012 | Michael Patrick Leahy

Posted on 09/16/2012 11:55:51 AM PDT by yoe

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Secretary Clinton prohibited Marines from providing security at any American diplomatic installation in Libya..

Mrs. Clinton one of the 1960 radicals who hated anything in uniform....carried that with her into the White House....shows and has shown utter distant for anything pertaining to law enforcement. The spots on this woman have not changed. The deaths of these warriors and patriots lay at her New Way feet.

1 posted on 09/16/2012 11:55:57 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

....and the msm continues to be like the 3 monkeys on the subject. Hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil.

2 posted on 09/16/2012 11:57:44 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: yoe

The whole problem here was overconfidence and negligence, of course, plus our institutional incompatibilities with whats needed to get the job done in these other cultures.

T.E. Lawrence, for one, had the knowledge and foresight and leeway to create his own personally loyal Bedouin security detail, which he selected and recruited himself using his knowledge of clan loyalties. This sort of thing squares the circle of scary foreigners (Marines, Blackwater) providing security but annoying the locals vs unreliable and compromised local officials. That sort of thing has been bureaucratized out of the options available to our modern Lawrences.

And for that matter our representation in these places needs to be less bureaucratic and more proconsular. The British back in the day knew their business. Their people were usually given blanket authority to make deals, bribe officials, subsidize tribes, and even recruit private armies.

3 posted on 09/16/2012 12:04:15 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: yoe

4 posted on 09/16/2012 12:07:17 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: yoe

The Halls of Montezuma must be just as unsafe. The Marines need a new hymn. And a new president.

5 posted on 09/16/2012 12:16:18 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: yoe

Looks like Hillary is the scapegoat on this. The President is Commander in Chief...It’s his rules.

6 posted on 09/16/2012 12:17:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yoe
no Marines are stationed at the Embassy in Tripoli

Security concerns aside, how can someone have a US embassy without Marines? As a teenager I spent hours in the US embassy in Madrid, just looking/admiring/staring at the Marines on guard duty. To me they represented all that America stood for, and they were great looking to boot! An embassy without Marines? No way!

7 posted on 09/16/2012 12:39:48 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: yoe

So essentially it was Back Hawk Down, minus US forces...

Call it a, “lib upgrade”...

8 posted on 09/16/2012 12:47:39 PM PDT by gaijin
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9 posted on 09/16/2012 12:59:05 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked-
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IF the Marines had been there ......

My Rifle: The Creed of a US Marine
by Major General William H. Rupertus (USMC, Ret.)
(written following the attack on Pearl Harbor)

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!

Note: a former Marine asked a local radio station host (in my area) to read this Saturday morning. He said they recited this creed every morning while they were training.

10 posted on 09/16/2012 1:01:40 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: buwaya

There is no working with islam according to the koran.

In order to be a good muslim, one has to either try to kill infidels, or support those who do. Support can include lying to infidels to get them to accept some muslims as “friendly”.

Any Westerner who deals with muslims is a fool who will be forced to submit to them.

The British empire started it’s collapse at least as far back as the 1800’s, since by WWI it had become a bunch of arrogant pacifists who thought that by selling out they could preserve the facade of an empire. Under the guise of representative government, they reduced their monarch to simply an actor playing a role. And the so-called representative government, like in the U.S. is today, became entirely sold out to modernist secular humanism, money and populism, i.e., bread and circuses.

They’ve simply been saying that they’re still relevant for so long that they’ve allowed themselves to actually believe it. Since WWI they have relied on the U.S. to replace the military power that they used to provide for themselves.

Many of their citizens - and most all of their politicians - have the gall to downplay their reliance on the U.S. for defence.

The U.K. has been a mere shadow of it’s former self for a century, a joke of a has-been power, that turned it’s back on the God of the Bible a long time ago.

This is why islam is so close to assuming complete control of the U.K.

Ironically, the biggest allies that the U.S. might possibly retain in fighting the coming world war will probably will be Germany in Europe, and, of course, in the Pacific region it will be Japan.

IMHO, I see only two ways to avoid this hypothetical war. One is by submitting to the new world order statist/communist intelligentsia (which includes both the Democrat and Republican political establishments). The other is by a Christian Reformation here inside America, which will cause them to be identified and separated out and excluded from leadership, and replaced by truthful leaders. These truthful leaders will get government off our backs, realign our legal system with Biblical principles and thereby cause an enormous economic prosperity. At the same time, being truly desirous of defending the nation and having clarity of principle, they will truly lead in that responsibility.

11 posted on 09/16/2012 1:15:32 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Saoirise
Obama and Hillary left those people as sitting ducks and ripe for an attack. Such gross negligence is without equal and should be considered criminal.

A blood stained pillar gives a hint at what happened to those poor people. Someone attempted to cling to the column for dear life, and as you can see from the bloody trail, was pried away and taken to their brutal death by the murderers.

(picture at link below)

12 posted on 09/16/2012 1:22:27 PM PDT by 444Flyer
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I want a State Department that cares more if my sensibilities are offended not some barbarian middle eastern muzzies. It seems Foggy Bottom needs a boot up their @@@ so they remember who the h@ll they serve.
13 posted on 09/16/2012 1:34:57 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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“The Marines need a new hymn. And a new president.”

The Marines don’t need a new hymn, they just need a new Commander in Chief. One with brass ones and some common sense.

14 posted on 09/16/2012 1:37:09 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sacajaweau
They both are equally at fault.

HRC has a responsibility to communicate to Obama her department's security needs. He has a responsibility to provide them.

15 posted on 09/16/2012 1:46:53 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Yardstick

No, it didn’t ...

16 posted on 09/16/2012 1:49:22 PM PDT by x
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To: PieterCasparzen

Should there be a WWIII, the best way to end it and put our Christian -principles forward is, do to the arab lands as we did to Germany and Japan. To heck with collateral damage, we didn’t care before and helped both countries back on their feet. And helped them with their own kinds of democray, not Republics as we have. We leveled both countries, we are capable of doing the same now. BUT we have elected representatives with NO COURAGE. Their only thought is their next election and how much power they can collect for themselves, while our young men and women put their lives on the line to try and protect our shores from the enemies of our American beliefs.

17 posted on 09/16/2012 1:52:20 PM PDT by tillacum
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Path to 9-11-2013

18 posted on 09/16/2012 1:53:36 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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Ahhh.... 9-11-2012

19 posted on 09/16/2012 1:54:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I am afraid your history is a bit off.

The British did an excellent job of working with bad (or good, depending on your point of view) Muslims. And they did it very cheaply, for the most part. Their last hurrah was their defense of Oman with special forces and mercenaries.

The Muslim problem is one that requires active management. Consider it pest control. And the people who deal with them certainly can’t be fools. There are special talents required. And they need to be on the spot.

As for what happened to the British, and all the other colonial powers, and for that matter, even God - WWI.

20 posted on 09/16/2012 1:54:56 PM PDT by buwaya
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