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Zogby: Romney running worse than McCain in '08
Newsmax ^ | 9/13/2012 | John Zogby

Posted on 09/16/2012 12:02:47 PM PDT by Siegfried X

Zogby: Romney Running Worse Than McCain in ‘08 Thursday, 13 Sep 2012 06:05 PM

President Barack Obama received a surprisingly strong bounce after the Democratic National Convention, and now leads GOP challenger Mitt Romney by nearly 6 points according to a new JZ Analytics poll.

The national poll of likely voters shows Obama leading 47.7 percent to 42 percent, and indicates that Romney is not polling well enough among some conservative demographic groups: NASCAR fans, evangelicals, and the so-called “Walmart voters.”

According to JZ Analytics pollster John Zogby, Romney is in a somewhat worse position than GOP nominee Sen. John McCain was at this point in the 2008 campaign...

In a possible indication that Romney has yet to seal the deal with the GOP base, Zogby reports lackluster poll numbers among NASCAR voters, evangelicals, and frequent Walmart patrons -- groups that tend to be reliably conservative.

Romney leads Obama 48.4 to 44.6 percent among voters who shop weekly at Walmart. He [Romney] narrowly trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent.

“That’s a number you would never expect to see,” comments Zogby.

Among “born again” voters, Romney leads Obama by 57 percent to 32 percent. That compares to the 73 percent of evangelical/”born again” voters McCain carried in 2008, according to the Pew Center on Religion and Public Life...

Zogby also describes Obama’s numbers as “anemic” among 18 to 29 year-olds. Only 53 percent of those younger voters said they would vote for Obama over Romney -- some 13 points less than Obama’s advantage among that demographic in 2008 against GOP standard bearer Sen. John McCain...

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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Very interesting breakouts on this Zogby poll. Obama is losing the young, with a lot fewer than against McCain.

Yet Romney is doing much worse than McCain among evangelicals, and is even behind Obama with NASCAR fans!

If this is true, and Zogby has always been a fair pollster, it seems to mean that a lot of conseratives still have doubts about Romney.

1 posted on 09/16/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Siegfried X

So says the maker of Zog’s Special Sauce who tried to cook the books and depress voter turnout for Bush.


2 posted on 09/16/2012 12:05:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Siegfried X

Zogby is a moron, a leftist and the worst pollster of the last few cycles. Other than that a great Arab-American.


3 posted on 09/16/2012 12:05:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Siegfried X

He [Romney] narrowly trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent.

I can not believe this poll after reading that.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 12:06:06 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Siegfried X

He’s running in the wrong direction.

He always has run in the wrong direction.


5 posted on 09/16/2012 12:06:40 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Siegfried X
My recollection is that McCain was running pretty well (largely due to a big boost from Palin) right up until the big September financial panic.

My feeling on Romney is that he has been playing it too safe, and running badly (with minimal boost from Ryan) and now we have a big foreign affairs crisis.

I see things going Obama's way. Again.

6 posted on 09/16/2012 12:07:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Siegfried X

No he not. The notion that Obama is doing better in 2012 then he was in 2008 is disprove in EVERY poll. This is pure Obot spin from Obama.


7 posted on 09/16/2012 12:13:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Siegfried X
AHHHH excuse me, but isn't Zogby the pollster related that that muslim idiot brother who was caught on tape by Fox News at the DNC convention walking out after the voting against God and Israel took place? HE LOOKED PISSED AFTER THE YEA's won....ENUFF said!! Zogby is a muslim and a muslim brotherhood sympathizer!
8 posted on 09/16/2012 12:13:30 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Siegfried X
I'll simply just say this, the only poll that counts will be on Nov. 6th.

All of this psy op crap can go straight to hell.

If we lose this election, this Country is over.

Vote!

9 posted on 09/16/2012 12:13:54 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Repost

Zogby is not a Pollster anymore

See top 20 in 2008 best Pollsters in Presidential Election he not even listed

10 posted on 09/16/2012 12:13:54 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Siegfried X

I’m beginning to believe that NewsMax got the memo from the lib organizations in DC.


11 posted on 09/16/2012 12:14:16 PM PDT by Hero
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To: Siegfried X

I’m beginning to believe that NewsMax got the memo from the lib organizations in DC.


12 posted on 09/16/2012 12:14:24 PM PDT by Hero
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To: Siegfried X

It’s obvious Obama got a solid convention bounce (which is fading) and is probably still leading by a couple points, but I wouldn’t believe much Zogby has to say. Zogby is the guy who announced Kerry the winner of the 2004 election on his website, only to have to retract it and issue an apology/explanation for how he could be so wrong. I do believe Romney is struggling with some evangelicals because he is a Mormon, but I don’t believe any pollster that claims he is losing NASCAR viewers to Obama. Also, Zogby has been reduced to doing a bunch of online interactive polling which is not accurate enough to be included in RCP polling averages.


13 posted on 09/16/2012 12:14:32 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Siegfried X

Zogby is clown pollster who did not make the top 20 of accuracy in the poll review in 2008

1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)


14 posted on 09/16/2012 12:15:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Siegfried X

And I should have added, WHY are you posting this crap?


15 posted on 09/16/2012 12:15:16 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I see things going Obama's way. Again.

Then you are not bothering to look

16 posted on 09/16/2012 12:16:21 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Siegfried X
If this is true, and Zogby has always been a fair pollster,

Wrong.

Back as far as the year 2000, it was yours truly, who coined the term Zogby's Special Sauce.

17 posted on 09/16/2012 12:17:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz (RAGE MONKEY RULEZ!!!)
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To: Siegfried X

McCain was not poor, but I suspect that Romney being soooo rich and also his Bain work which doesn’t sound so good to a lot of working people may hurt. There are no doubt many evangelicals and working man/NASCAR fans who have heard the one about going through the eye of a needle. They may stay home on election day.


18 posted on 09/16/2012 12:17:29 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Siegfried X

f this is true, and Zogby has always been a fair pollster...

Give us a break !


19 posted on 09/16/2012 12:19:20 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: barmag25; All

In polling terms, 13% undecided is a sizable number.


20 posted on 09/16/2012 12:19:47 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Siegfried X

Yet Romney is doing much worse than McCain among “evangelicals”

Sadly, no matter what, many Evangelicals will not vote for a Mormon.

Considering that this quote is from the Washington Compost, but there is some substance to it:

“Many social conservatives warned during the GOP primary that Romney would struggle to spark evangelical enthusiasm. Fewer conservative Christians would volunteer to canvass neighborhoods, donate money or plan rallies, they said.

The Pew poll indicates such fears may be warranted. Among the nearly 23 percent of evangelicals who are uncomfortable with Romney’s Mormonism, just 16 percent back him strongly.”
By Daniel Burke| Religion News Service, Published: July 26


21 posted on 09/16/2012 12:19:58 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Siegfried X; All

Zogby is the worst pollster out there bar none...he predicted a blowout victory for Kerry in ‘04 and if memory serves me, he had McCain in it till the end in ‘08....i look at this as good news considering zogby’s record...


22 posted on 09/16/2012 12:20:31 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Siegfried X
NASCAR Obama, Obama is a NASCAR Fan. Ha Ha.
23 posted on 09/16/2012 12:22:26 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Siegfried X

I seem to recall reading here at FR that the polls had Carter leading Reagan until right up before the election. The pollsters are going to do their best to create the momentum for Hussein as long as they can until it gets so late that they have to start being accurate or they’ll completely lose their credibility.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 12:22:57 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Siegfried X

A lot of FReepers have been asking where Zogby has been this year.....Well, HE’S BAAAAAACK!


25 posted on 09/16/2012 12:23:40 PM PDT by GR_Jr. ("On Nov.6 I guess I will swallow that bitter pill called Mitt Romney...only to stop 0bama")
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To: scooby321

Well we know that Hussein’s people threatened Gallup, I’m sure the other polling companies got the message.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 12:25:58 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Siegfried X

Real Clear Politics doesn’t even include Zogby!


27 posted on 09/16/2012 12:26:29 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth ///// Income = Net Work)
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To: MNJohnnie

Thanks for this list


28 posted on 09/16/2012 12:27:36 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: KeyLargo

I am a Christian and I am voting for Romney and Ryan.

Would more Christians vote for a Muslim over a Mormon?


29 posted on 09/16/2012 12:28:40 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Siegfried X

Zogby....noted arab sympathizer who long ago became a lap dog of the left....no longer of interest to any one who really follows quality pollsters


30 posted on 09/16/2012 12:29:47 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Siegfried X
So the majority of NASCAR fans are now supporting Barack Obama! Thanks for the comic relief.
31 posted on 09/16/2012 12:29:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: RoseofTexas
muslim idiot brother

Muslim? No. Christian Arab? Yes. idiot? Yes. Muslim sympathizer? Yes.

32 posted on 09/16/2012 12:31:13 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: MNJohnnie

Which independent auditing agency does Rush use that gives him a current rating of being right 99.6% of the time?


33 posted on 09/16/2012 12:31:20 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: God luvs America

I believe he showed Bush carrying CA in 2000 and Gore carrying NC - and consistently had Gore’s base of strength in his national polls being the South.


34 posted on 09/16/2012 12:33:40 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: KeyLargo

The Washington Compost are liars-I frequent a forum of which the members are the most fundy of the fundies and every single one of them is voting for Romney. I’ll beleive the words from the horse’s own mouth over the Washington Compost’s wishful thinking.

Also, post-election surveys showed that during the McCain/Obama election, it wasn’t social conservatives/fundamentalists who stayed home and didn’t vote for McCain. The canard that social conservatives and fundamentalists won’t vote for anyone except another fundamentalist needs to be put to rest.


35 posted on 09/16/2012 12:34:09 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: funfan

I am a Catholic woman and am voting for Romney and Ryan. In fact, if the polls showed Obozo ahead by a wide margin it would just make me more determined to get others out to vote for them too.


36 posted on 09/16/2012 12:35:06 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: Nifster
Zogby....noted arab sympathizer

From guess who:

Zogby is an Arabic surname.

James Zogby (born 1945), American founder and president of the Arab American Institute and brother of John Zogby.

John Zogby (born 1948), American pollster, president & CEO of Zogby International and brother of James Zogby

37 posted on 09/16/2012 12:35:09 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Siegfried X
I'm a "NASCAR voter, evangelical and Walmart voter" and I'd probably blow smoke up a pollster's butt as well, if they ever asked me. But they haven't.

And on election day, regardless of my reticence about Romney, my dedication to my country will forbid me from staying home or voting for the current Marxist Muslim in chief. I will vote to save my country, as best I can with the choices I have.

Zogby and the other pollsters apparently don't understand that we can say we don't like Romney on x issue, but we will still vote for him because we refuse to guarantee our own destruction with another 4 years of Obama.

The only poll that matters is on election day. May God Help us. Please!

38 posted on 09/16/2012 12:35:41 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: Siegfried X
and Zogby has always been a fair pollster

If you believe that you need to be institutionalized.

39 posted on 09/16/2012 12:36:01 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: SamAdams76

If this is true, I also saw a poll that more blacks are supporting Romney lol


40 posted on 09/16/2012 12:36:38 PM PDT by italianquaker ( 17 percent of the tea partiers support barry obama, the fox poll said so lol)
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To: jwalsh07

Maybe Obama has bowed to him too.......... ... .


41 posted on 09/16/2012 12:36:38 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: barmag25

NASCAR headquarters is in Charlotte; maybe the fans think they are “required” to vote for Obama, who was nominated in Charlotte. Most likely though, Romney is just not seen as a viable alternative, but I will shade in the Republican oval at the top of the ballot and not fret over weak and strong choices on the ballot. Still as of today, I would think Romney will win only the McPain electoral votes plus IN and NC.


42 posted on 09/16/2012 12:39:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
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To: Siegfried X

“Zogby has always been a fair pollster,”

Seriously? He’s out to make a buck just like everyone else. The only way pollsters count is with their own votes. Pay no attention.


43 posted on 09/16/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by adc
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To: KeyLargo

“Sadly, no matter what, many Evangelicals will not vote for a Mormon.’

So are you saying that evangelicals aren’t smart enough to see what is going on? I don’t believe that for a second. In fact, each and every evangelical I know is voting for Romney - all of them - and I know plenty.


44 posted on 09/16/2012 12:46:30 PM PDT by Hero
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To: Siegfried X
zogby has NEVER been a fair or impartial pollster.Check out who his own brother is.

LLS

45 posted on 09/16/2012 12:46:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Siegfried X

The fact that Zogby believes that the Kenyan is now leading Romney among “NASCAR voters” is all I need to call BULL**** on his goofy “poll”.


46 posted on 09/16/2012 12:46:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: Siegfried X

The one and only time I recall that Zogby was ever right, was in the 1994 NY State Gubernatorial election. Zogby was the only one whose poll predicted a Pataki win over Cuomo. Pataki won. Since then, Zogby has been way off the mark in his polls.


47 posted on 09/16/2012 12:48:18 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Siegfried X
and is even behind Obama with NASCAR fans!

I'm not buying that!

NASCAR fans can't stand Obama. Remember last fall when Barry's wife was booed at a stock car race.

48 posted on 09/16/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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He [Romney] narrowly trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent.

Maybe true because a lot of people like me walked away from NASCAR when it became a tool for Obamugabe.

49 posted on 09/16/2012 12:51:22 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Siegfried X
I talked to two neighbors this morning who are fed up with Obama.. and admitted they voted for him in 2008, but WILL NOT be voting for him this time.

What was perplexing is that they were NOT SURE they wanted to vote for Romney. They said they might vote a 3rd party candidate or write-in someone

When I asked WHY/... their answer was that they weren't sure about Romney nor did they really know what he was all about.

They also stated that he was probably a good person but couldn't convince themselves that they could vote for him.

I'd call that the McCain syndrome revisited.

Keep in mind, as someone of FR said weeks ago... "we're running the candidate ( Romney ) that lost to the candidate ( McCain ) that lost the last election."

I feel that RYAN would actually be a better nominee for President than Romney. He is much more aggressive, which is what's really required under the circumstances.

Food for thought.

50 posted on 09/16/2012 12:52:54 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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