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Romney's Scattered Campaign Message Baffles Strategists
The Washington Post/Standard.net ^ | Sat, 09/15/2012 - 7:48 | By Karen Tumulty

Posted on 09/16/2012 3:36:11 PM PDT by drewh

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To: mylife

Death from below.


51 posted on 09/16/2012 4:24:04 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Weaver, a former strategist on Republican John McCain’s presidential campaigns”

That says a lot.


52 posted on 09/16/2012 4:28:06 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: drewh
But Romney was the electable candidate...that's what they told us!!!
53 posted on 09/16/2012 4:33:43 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: drewh

Romney just needs to talk like the lion at the end of the wizard of oz.


54 posted on 09/16/2012 4:58:33 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight
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55 posted on 09/16/2012 4:58:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: drewh
John Weaver is the liberal media's favorite GOP consultant:

Jon Huntsman’s campaign was a better idea than it was a reality, and the idea was John Weaver’s.

Weaver, a rangy, 52-year old Texan has a storied and controversial career in Republican politics, and now an uncertain future. And the Huntsman campaign is the latest and purest version of a strategy that he’s been pressing since he was at John McCain’s right hand in 2000: A Republican campaign that embraces the mainstream media, sets itself against elements of conservative dogma, and builds a coalition of moderate Republicans and independents that – if it could only survive the primary – would be formidable in a general election. The campaign’s birth in baroque intrigue and its high-level infighting are also Weaver signatures.

“You get a lot of good out of the guy, you get a lot of brilliance out of the guy – but you get a lot of dysfunction out of the guy,” a Republican who has often worked with Weaver said Sunday night, after the news of Huntsman’s departure had broken. Members of Huntsman’s family blame what they saw as a debacle on Weaver, the Republican said. “It’s really going to get ugly.”

To Weaver’s critics, he’s a “Svengali,” as one said, persuading a wealthy, talented former governor to blow his money and his name on a lost cause. To his admirers, Weaver had the right strategy -- to nip Romney in New Hampshire – and a message that would have made Huntsman formidable in November, and was let down by the candidate and his wealthy father.

“This should have been a well-funded campaign,” said a Weaver ally. “There was no reason this should be a penniless campaign.” (Weaver's June monthly retainer from Huntsman was $20,000; it had declined to $14,500 by fall, according to the most recently financial disclosure report, filed in October.)

But the core complaint about Weaver’s strategy – which seems to have matched Huntsman’s own views – is that the consultant was running for the nomination of a party whose leaders and members he seemed to view at times with disdain.

“"There's a simple reason our party is nowhere near being a national governing party," Weaver told Esquire in June. "No one wants to be around a bunch of cranks."

A man with those views might be an unlikely strategist for a Republican candidate. He and Huntsman seemed to rely on the support of a silent moderate Republican majority that hasn’t been shown to exist. And the consultant enjoys the loathing of his party's conservatives.


56 posted on 09/16/2012 4:59:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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.....the ever present anonymous GOP stategist which does not have the guts to speak on the record, and others) who are trying to advance their own cause by undermining Romney’s campaign.

You would never see a Democrat do this.

Makes you wonder how many "Republican campaign strategists" are really Democrats...

57 posted on 09/16/2012 5:05:57 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: drewh
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249685-republican-lawmakers-say-romney-campaign-needs-to-change-course)

Why don't the “GOP” A-holes impeach Obama? Sounds like a lying cowardly bunch of POS RINOs sniping at Romney.

58 posted on 09/16/2012 5:26:44 PM PDT by texican01
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To: drewh

RE: THIS JOURNALIST....

WaPo’s Tumulty Calls Clinton’s 1993 Tax Increase a ‘Deficit Reduction Plan’

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/07/23/wapo-calls-clintons-1993-tax-increase-deficit-reduction-plan


59 posted on 09/16/2012 5:27:51 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: iacovatx
There is no such thing as the moderate voter, only socialists, Americans, and people who aren’t very knowledgable about politics or government. Those are the only three voter groups.

I'd disagree. There are probably at least dozens of categories of voters. Three is way too few. For simplicity's sake, I'd say there are at least four big groups of voters: (1) economic and social conservatives (white southerners, white evangelical Christians), (2) economic and social liberals (single white women, Obama, Carter, Kerry, Pelosi), (3) economic liberals and social conservatives (blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, Huckabee) and (4) economic conservatives and social liberals (Huntsman, Schwarzenegger, Giuliani, Wall Street). Then there are other categories not captured by the above, such as non-Christians who despise Christians for attempting to convert them, racial minorities who see the GOP as being aligned with racists, national minorities who see the GOP's muscular internationalism as being antithetical to the interests of their countries of origin, and so on. I suspect swing voters are as knowledgeable as every other category of voter - their dilemma is figuring out where to compromise, since whichever party they choose, they only get half of what they want on the issues.

60 posted on 09/16/2012 5:29:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Tumulty is a career run-o-the-mill liberal media whore. LATimes, TIME Magazine, WaPo. Miscellaneous other crime scenes. Smeared McCain as a racist in 2008. Tells you about all you need to know.
61 posted on 09/16/2012 5:30:52 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Not true. Obama has been off message all summer, throwing everything to Romney. His ship is still afloat because the media carries it for him. What message that Obama send out?


62 posted on 09/16/2012 5:35:21 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Anyone know the author?

Karen Tumulty, (The Washington Post), is obviously a commie suck-wad of the worst sort.

Her title is misleading. The details in the article showed Romney correctly described our official relationship with Egypt, and correctly chastised the Kenyan muslim commie for not making time to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The author has no complaint; she just needs to write something critical of Romney, and it doesn't have to make sense.

The commies are in meltdown desperation mode, and the whole country is ready to dump Obama. Only the media hardcore are pretending to support the Kenyan. Liberals out in fly-over country are shocked into silence, hurriedly yanking up their yard signs, and scraping the idiot stickers off their bumpers.

63 posted on 09/16/2012 5:50:28 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: dalebert

You think the press/media ganged up on him the other day ? Wait until the debates ! They will crucify him .


64 posted on 09/16/2012 6:15:29 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: upchuck
I’d love to see Romney’s internal polling.

Is internal polling more accurate than Rasmussen?

If so, what methodology do they use that Rasmussen doesn't, and why doesn't Rasmussen adopt these more accurate methods?

65 posted on 09/16/2012 6:58:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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Don’t know the answers to your questions. Seems like internal polls are much closer to reality. Don’t know why.


66 posted on 09/16/2012 8:18:18 PM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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Romney can’t hit them with ObamaCare because of his RomneyCare. He just said how proud he was of it. His claim that they are different because his plan has less pages would make him sound foolish. Besides he first said he would give waivers to the States, then he said he would repeal it, the latest is he would repeal and replace it. This is an issue best not brought to voters attention.


67 posted on 09/16/2012 9:29:12 PM PDT by brightright
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To: Zhang Fei

Good listing/categorization.

The MSM plays off this with their use of “ some & many” to press there
Latest issue.

It’s the classic lib ploy, cry wolf, then retreat to another argument and alleged representative group when exposed.

Being too touchy , feely has lead to all of this.


68 posted on 09/17/2012 6:30:49 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: upchuck; All
John McCain lost because he intended to lose. Sarah could have won that election, they shut her down continually. Romney seems to also want/intend to lose.

Despairing truth. Why? He couldn't be bought off surely. What wedge could force him into such a position? Is it possible the powerful people behind the scenes are controlling things, somehow they are draining America of all its power, money, and abandoning everything else?

America has accepted too many unconstitutional Judicial, actions, decisions, for years and years, that wer/are against America and America's way of life. We paid little or no attention. God help America.

Are we to be under the power of Babylon, or men wanting to break America? The war between Christians, Mohammedanism, and atheists, are all over the place? We seem to have our hands tied behind our back and we are wearing blindfolds and have turned up the music so loud we can hear nothing else., Islam has a group that desire to destroy America and our way of life.

Are we really going to allow this to happen? It is half way there now! Heavenly Father, we bow before thee asking for help for America. Allow not the evil plans intended against America to succeed. Remove them and the ones seeking to destroy America. Return America to our former values and faith. Father, we love thee and honor thee, and praise thee and look to thee for our good, We thank thee LORD for the many blessings showered upon America daily, day after day,forgive us our wayward sins, COME TO OUR AID, In Jesus name, amen.

69 posted on 09/17/2012 8:46:01 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“I’d disagree. There are probably at least dozens of categories of voters. Three is way too few. For simplicity’s sake, I’d say there are at least four big groups of voters: (1) economic and social conservatives (white southerners, white evangelical Christians), (2) economic and social liberals (single white women, Obama, Carter, Kerry, Pelosi), (3) economic liberals and social conservatives (blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, Huckabee) and (4) economic conservatives and social liberals (Huntsman, Schwarzenegger, Giuliani, Wall Street). “

Yes, I agree that several categories of voters can be identified but I try to create the simplest model possible that explains the majority of the outcome I am trying to predict. My argument is that I can predict a lot of voting behavior using only three categories. It comes down to an empirical question and whether I can predict most voting by identifying people as one of my three categories. Undoubtedly, your category model would be a better predicting model but I suggest that fewer categories might also do a pretty good job of predicting.

On another note, I found it interesting that socialists criticize conservatives for their interest in social issues but when the socialists hold their convention, social issues are front-and-center while the conservatives are emphasizing the economy.


70 posted on 09/17/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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