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Here Comes $10,000 Gold...
TBI ^ | 9-16-2012 | Sam Ro

Posted on 09/16/2012 4:48:28 PM PDT by blam

Here Comes $10,000 Gold...

Sam Ro
Sep. 16, 2012, 5:56 PM

"It has never been easy to have a rational conversation about the value of gold," wrote Ken Rogoff in a 2010 piece titled $10,000 Gold?.

But with the national debt passing $16 trillion and the Federal Reserve launching a unlimited quantitative easing, the gold bulls will increasingly tell you that the sum of their fears are coming true.

In this week's issue of Barron's, Jim McTague spoke to Guggenheim Partners Scott Minerd:

Hedging against the most pessimistic case without crippling the upside potential of a better or even miraculous case appears to be as unsolvable as the proverbial Gordian knot. Alexander the Great "solved" the intellectually challenging knot riddle by severing it with his sword. Scott Minerd, chief investment officer of Guggenheim Partners, offers a more reasoned but equally simple solution to the hedging conundrum: gold. In extreme circumstances—like miscalculations regarding inflation by the Federal Reserve—the metal could hit $10,000 per troy ounce, he asserts. Thursday, after the Fed disclosed its latest financial-stimulus scheme, the metal rose about 2% to $1,768.

The ultra bullish forecasts for gold aren't without precedent. Applying the "Pareto principle" – the idea is that 80 percent of the effects of something come from just 20 percent of the causes – Erste Group analyst Ronald-Peter Stoeferle argued that we could see $8,300 gold by the spring of 2015.

Citi's Tom Fitzpatrick also has an extremely bullish gold scenario out there. "We see no reason why this gold trend cannot perform as well as the last bull market in gold between 1970 and 1980," he told King World News. "If you replicated that move exactly, it will take gold to $6,300."

Inflation and technical pattern aren't the only ways to get to extremely high

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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commodities; gold; qe3; recession
Here We Go Again.

How long has it been since we've heard predictions of $10k gold?

1 posted on 09/16/2012 4:48:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: Jet Jaguar
Here's anotjher:

Gold Stocks Just Began a Huge Run Higher /a>

2 posted on 09/16/2012 4:50:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Here comes inflation.
Obama will screw the very people he says he cares about, while demonizing Romney as a rich wall street fat cat that aint “down wid de struggle”


3 posted on 09/16/2012 4:56:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jiggyboy; PA Engineer; blam; TigerLikesRooster; Cheap_Hessian; CJinVA; Jet Jaguar; ...

Goldbug ping


4 posted on 09/16/2012 4:57:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 election.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I haven’t done any panning/sluicing in what seems like forever...


5 posted on 09/16/2012 5:01:08 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: blam

I’ve invested *heavily* in the precious metals of brass & lead. Are people going to throw gold bars and silver coins at zombie looters and gangs? LOL. Shoot them, stack them like cordwood and burn them. Or just let the buzzards and maggots feast.


6 posted on 09/16/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: carriage_hill
By 2015 Hard Commodity Prices Will Have Collapsed
7 posted on 09/16/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Never gonna happen. Why not? Because once it gets to 2500-2600, I’ll give in and start buying. Whereupon, gold will instantly drop back to the 400-500 range. (Prior results are not indicative of future losses, but come on, now, already!)


8 posted on 09/16/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: blam

If gold goes to $10K, what will a gallon of milk be..


9 posted on 09/16/2012 5:06:08 PM PDT by Track9 (Ego undermines moral courage.)
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To: carriage_hill

Your ‘brass & lead’ will become currency too. 9mm’s instead of dollars. Imagine that? A currency that doubles as ammo. Now THAT’s buying power. Literally.


10 posted on 09/16/2012 5:07:07 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: blam

If the people pushing you to buy gold really believed it was going to increase by 600% or more, they wouldn’t be selling it at $1600.


11 posted on 09/16/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: blam

Ammo (brass/lead) will always be “in style” and quite fungible. I can see some of the other commodities taking a dump, though.


12 posted on 09/16/2012 5:09:36 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: blam

Gold will be worth nothing if there is no currency to exchange with in value. We are headed for that world.


13 posted on 09/16/2012 5:10:44 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Track9
"If gold goes to $10K, what will a gallon of milk be.."

About $22.50 a gallon. (That's 5.6 times @ $4.00 a gallon presently)

14 posted on 09/16/2012 5:12:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I called a bottom on Newmont NEM at 44.73 and BEGGED, BEGGED my bro to buy some.

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"Ahhh, that technical analysis is a load of crap."

44.5 > 57 in a month. Tell me you've seen a more textbook double bottom than June > August.

15 posted on 09/16/2012 5:14:35 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: blam
How long has it been since we've heard predictions of $10k gold?

Can't say I ever remember reading gold going to $10K. On the other hand, just a few months ago I remember reading the economy is doing great and gold is going sub $1K...

16 posted on 09/16/2012 5:14:59 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: carriage_hill

Gitcher’sef a cuppla’ hogs.


17 posted on 09/16/2012 5:22:11 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: blam

Exactly.. and at that price, I would think society will have collapsed.


18 posted on 09/16/2012 5:23:22 PM PDT by Track9 (Ego undermines moral courage.)
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To: pingman

4-legged, 2-wheeled or 12ga kind?


19 posted on 09/16/2012 5:25:39 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Liberals, democrats & unions - and all leftist scum - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: blam

“Here We Go Again.

How long has it been since we’ve heard predictions of $10k gold?”

About as long as it’s been since we’ve heard predictions of Gold collapsing back to $600, from the crowd who missed out on the big run-up.


20 posted on 09/16/2012 5:33:01 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“If the people pushing you to buy gold really believed it was going to increase by 600% or more, they wouldn’t be selling it at $1600.”

Pretty simple Blood. He’s a dealer, what he sells you for $1600, he buys from someone else for $1550. Called a spread.

For instance, at this moment you can buy a one ounce gold American Eagle from Kitco for $1,858.79, or you can sell the same gold ounce to Kitco for $1,775.70. Spread is $83.09.

It’s all quite legitimate.


21 posted on 09/16/2012 5:43:39 PM PDT by misanthrope ("...Everybody look what's goin' down.")
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To: blam

Pump and Dump?


22 posted on 09/16/2012 5:49:35 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: hadaclueonce
Pump and Dump?

Probably. It's going to take a dive when Obama loses and then hover for a while. Depending on what Romney and Congress do in those first few months you'll see a steady downward spiral through most of 2013. I'm going to predict $500 on Jan 1, 2014.

23 posted on 09/16/2012 6:05:50 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: blam

Apropos of nothing in particular, how does one go about buying gold these days, and does one actually take the gold into possession, or does one buy certificates of some sort, which signify that one owns gold someplace in some bank vault somehwere?


24 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:38 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: ElkGroveDan

If Romney get the economy moving again, we will have some inflation because the money will start moving after coming off the sidelines. Interest rates will go up and so will gold and everything else. But if BO wins, we will continue to have lots of money printing which will result in currency devaluation and likely gold appreciation. However, if BO wins, the economic contraction in the private sector could counteract inflationary pressures and gold would be flat because of reduced demand from wealth destruction.
If Romney wins, I will probably shift into energy related interests. If Obama wins, I will still accumulate physical gold for the greater likelihood of total currency collapse. I also think that treasury shorts like VIPSX will be a good bet.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 6:34:09 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Jack Hammer

Go to a coin show and purchase it in cash. That way, you can minimize the paper trail. Buy a good safe, a floor safe is idea, or store it in multiple locations with smaller safes. A safe deposit box can be opened by the IRS.
If you want the paper gold, you want to make sure that you can take physical possession of it if needed. This might be a good option for pension plans.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 6:40:41 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Sure they will. They make their money on the spread between the buy and sell prices.


27 posted on 09/16/2012 6:51:23 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: grumpygresh

Say No to banks, safe deposit boxes, and other conventional
venues. Also, “paper gold” is just that...paper. I wouldn’t trust anyone but me, when the SHTF. ETF’s are a mirage. Physical gold/silver, that you hold in your hand, has no substitute. (along with brass and lead)


28 posted on 09/16/2012 6:57:58 PM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW!)
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To: Jack Hammer

Not saying you should buy gold, however if you decide to buy gold, then buy gold, not a piece of paper that says “gold”.

Oh, there’s profit to be made trading ETF and stock and futures, but the level of fraud and thievery, plus the repudiation of contract law means that
at some point the music is gonna stop and there won’t be enough chairs.


29 posted on 09/16/2012 6:59:42 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: blam

Do you like Silver Wheaton? http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ASLW&sq=SILVER%20WHEATON&sp=1&ei=a5FWUKDjE6TklgP2-QE

Silver seems like a better bet for inflation and money printing by the Fed. Gold less so but but gold will cover you better in a deflation. Silver Wheaton cratered in win winter 2008-2009 down to $5. Today it is $39 but has been higher

SW is up more that 25% in the last 6 weeks


30 posted on 09/16/2012 8:05:29 PM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: carriage_hill

Depends on your budget and such; hell, get’m all!


31 posted on 09/16/2012 8:46:44 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: Jet Jaguar

Can you please add me to your goldbug ping list?


32 posted on 09/17/2012 9:26:53 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom

You are added.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 1:03:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 election.)
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To: blam
So what does this mean for my two lousy kilos of silver? Not coins, bars, a kilo each.
34 posted on 09/17/2012 7:46:08 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: grumpygresh

Catching up on my Goldbug Pings...

Post #25 - How prescient!

I’m doing the exact same things, though adding more ammo to the stockpile and more canned goods. :)


35 posted on 01/15/2013 9:02:09 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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