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Asian disputes could trigger war (Leon Panetta)
sky news ^ | 9/17 | sky news

Posted on 09/16/2012 6:13:43 PM PDT by RummyChick

China and other Asian countries could end up at war over territorial disputes if governments keep up their 'provocative behaviour', US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta says.

Speaking to reporters before arriving in Tokyo on a trip to Asia, Panetta appealed for restraint amid mounting tensions over territorial rights in the East China Sea and the South China Sea.

'I am concerned that when these countries engage in provocations of one kind or another over these various islands, that it raises the possibility that a misjudgment on one side or the other could result in violence, and could result in conflict,' Panetta said, when asked about a clash between Japan and China.

'And that conflict would then have the potential of expanding.'

The Pentagon chief's trip coincides with an escalating row between Asia's two largest economies over an archipelago in the East China Sea administered by Tokyo under the name Senkaku and claimed by China under the name Diaoyu.

(Excerpt) Read more at skynews.com.au ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chinajapan; disputedislands; japanchina; obama; panetta

1 posted on 09/16/2012 6:13:47 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Starting a shooting war with Japan could be just the distraction (besides what's going on in the ME, along with our elections) the Chinese need to annex Taiwan.

Mark

2 posted on 09/16/2012 6:17:20 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: RummyChick

In 2005 China passed a law making it a capital offense for any Chinese leader to negotiate the territorial rights to any land that it claims.

That’s right, a death sentence for even talking about it.


3 posted on 09/16/2012 6:19:39 PM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: RummyChick

I can guarantee one thing. Obozo doesn’t know anything about this prospective international incident. He has no knowledge there is even a problem.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 6:20:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RummyChick

Capture Taiwan, distract the crazies from their Everest of bad debt, catch Hussein while his claws are full...

Interesting times, indeed....


5 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: RummyChick
"China and other Asian countries could end up at war over territorial disputes if governments keep up their 'provocative behavior', US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta says."

Obama says "When's my next tee time?"

6 posted on 09/16/2012 6:24:06 PM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: RummyChick
*Their* provocative behavior??? Anyone with an IQ higher than 70 knows that there's only one nation engaging in such behavior.It ain't the Philippines...and it ain't Taiwan...Vietnam...or Japan.It's a country that,for reasons unknown,feels the need to include the words “People's Republic” in its name.
7 posted on 09/16/2012 6:26:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: MarkL

exactly


8 posted on 09/16/2012 6:26:27 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Viennacon
He has no knowledge there is even a problem.

Are you suggesting that his caddy is endangering world peace by withholding this information?

9 posted on 09/16/2012 6:27:58 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: gaijin

You have that right. China is pulling a Galtieri. Snaffling the Senkaku islands will distract from the “secret debt bomb”. Taiwan would also be at risk. If O-Zero was responsible, he would move naval forces to international waters around Taiwan immediately, and have Andersen on standby.


10 posted on 09/16/2012 6:30:15 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RummyChick

Obama in four years has brought the world to war. What a great leader. /sarcasm


11 posted on 09/16/2012 6:30:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"JAPANESE GUESTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING ACCOMMODATED BY OUR HOTEL"
A man in Xi'an holds a sign that reads CAR SMASHINGS AHEAD, JAPANESE CAR OWNERS SHOULD TURN BACK NOW





Shouldn't that one be a muslim protest???


A store display in Nanjing bears the sign THE DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA!.

12 posted on 09/16/2012 6:33:39 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Employees at a dealership hold up a sign that says WE WILL KILL EVERY JAPANESE PERSON EVEN IF IT MEANS DEATHS FOR OUR OWN; EVEN POVERTY WILL NOT DETER US FROM RECLAIMING THE DIAOYU ISLANDS


A woman tries to stop rioters from demolishing her Japanese brand car

13 posted on 09/16/2012 6:36:49 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick


A Honda owner drove his car to the nearest Honda dealership and set it on fire; banners in the back read DEFEAT THE JAPANESE DEMONS
14 posted on 09/16/2012 6:38:01 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
A banner on a store called pattad reads: "pattad firmly defends China's right to the Diaoyu Islands. / We will give a 15% discount to customers who yell THE DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA! in the store / We will give a 20% discount to customers who yell JAPAN ALSO BELONGS TO CHINA!"
Protest and market your store at the same time...
15 posted on 09/16/2012 6:39:26 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I wonder what Huntsman, the “China Expert”, thinks about all this.

Maybe he’s waiting for Romney to order the wrong combination of Chinese takeout.


16 posted on 09/16/2012 6:44:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: RummyChick

What do you all think China is up to with regards to Japan and the disputed islands / protests in China ?


17 posted on 09/16/2012 6:53:06 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: RummyChick

The Chinese like burning cars? I smell a big market for Chevy Volts here!


19 posted on 09/16/2012 7:14:38 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RummyChick

So now they got old Frequent Flyer Leon out there trying to take the heat off Obama and Hillary. Hey Leon! Here’s an old number Hillary used to sing. I changed the words a little.

“Four dead in Lib-ee-yah! Four dead in Lib-ee-yah!”


20 posted on 09/16/2012 7:18:36 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sushiman

I can’t keep up with the unrest all over the world

Here is a funny thing from twitter

“THIS JAPAN-CHINA STAND OFF IS GETTING TOO SERIOUS O! MY MADE IN CHINA BLUETOOTH HAS REFUSED TO CONNECT WITH MY MADE IN JAPAN LAPTOP... “


21 posted on 09/16/2012 7:19:21 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: sushiman

I think the economy of China is heading for a sharp dive and the ruling elite are trying a diversion. “Nationalistic witch hunts”, presenting a unifying scapegoat, to distract their people from the on-rushing depression that is coming nearer has been done many times before in many different nations over time.

Does it work? Yes, but once unleashed it isn’t easy to control. Germany in the 1930s and 1940s is a great example of what I mean.


22 posted on 09/16/2012 7:21:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: sushiman

The Chicoms have a massive debt they are hiding. Some speculate it’s bigger than ours. Their population faces a demographic crisis thanks to the One Child Policy. The government continues to face opposition over its occupation of Tibet and stranglehold on the media.

The bottom line is, China knows it has a problem. In a totalitarian state with so many people, things can become problematic if public opinion turns against the government. The Norks don’t have any such problem because of a small population, roughly 80% of which are in the military anyway. What China are doing here, is stirring up nationalist sentiment against a perceived enemy over territory they think belongs to them. The Chinese already have a sordid history with Japan, so they’re a good nemesis.

This was the same tactic used by Argentinian dictator, Leopoldo Galtieri, in the 80s. Inflation was through the roof, and the government had engaged in a horrific crackdown on dissent that involved stealing children and throwing nuns out of helicopters. To turn attention away from his wildly unpopular regime, he stoked up Argentinian nationalism by invading the British owned Falkland Islands.
He failed of course. The British Navy was far superior, and when the war was lost, Galtieri was deposed. Unfortunately, even today, Argentina’s leaders still whine about the islands to anyone who will listen.

The protests are part of the Chinese government’s ploy to inflame public opinion against the Japanese, and from the look of the pictures above, it’s working. The question isn’t if they will attack. It’s when... and will we have a leader willing to stand up for our allies in Japan when they do.


23 posted on 09/16/2012 7:23:15 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: MarkL

I always thought it would make sense for Taiwan, or Japan for that matter, to inform China that they had aquired biological wepons that would kill tens of milions of their citizens if they attacked the islands....even if it were not true. It’s one way to make China think twice about attacking either nation. BTW I want to see Japan arm itself. It’s time they started to defend their homeland.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 7:26:21 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: RummyChick

jeez, ya think?


25 posted on 09/16/2012 7:31:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: RummyChick

I’ve visited China several times in my life,including twice in the last couple of years.My visits have been to one of the most prosperous regions of the country,that being within a hundred miles or so of Hong Kong.Even there the thing I was struck by is how primitive the people are...that they truly live like *animals*.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 7:31:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Viennacon

You mean building all those empty cities didn’t boost their economy?

/sarc


27 posted on 09/16/2012 7:36:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SatinDoll

Japan also belongs to China??

20% discount

.........................

Yeppers. Exports have dropped a lot because of our economy and Europes. They were/are very export dependent.


28 posted on 09/16/2012 7:37:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Viennacon

” The question isn’t if they will attack. It’s when... and will we have a leader willing to stand up for our allies in Japan when they do. “

I live in Japan , hence my extreme interest . I’ve been half jokingly telling our daughter for years that she should start studying Chinese .


29 posted on 09/16/2012 7:38:16 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: GeronL

China and North Korea are the only countries stupid enough to think building empty cities stimulates an economy. I still laugh when I see that huge Nork hotel that has no interior. A hollow shell that cost millions.


30 posted on 09/16/2012 8:00:37 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: sushiman

Best of luck. Don’t let the Chicoms spook you. That’s what they want. A panicked nation is a weaker nation.

“Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemies’ resistance”


31 posted on 09/16/2012 8:03:29 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: sushiman

How is the rebuild going?


32 posted on 09/16/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Romney? Really? Seriously?)
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To: MattinNJ

?


33 posted on 09/16/2012 8:19:27 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: RummyChick

These are uninhabited islands (rocks actually).


34 posted on 09/16/2012 8:39:30 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Viennacon

I understand they recently started working on their jewel of Pyongyang again, it’s been sitting there forever.


35 posted on 09/16/2012 8:56:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Selene

is there oil around there?


36 posted on 09/16/2012 8:57:56 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

China also recently took the Paracel and Spratly islands between Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines. Most of us haven’t been fully informed about the One China policy or the history and culture behind it.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 9:36:00 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: gandalftb
In 2005 China passed a law making it a capital offense for any Chinese leader to negotiate the territorial rights to any land that it claims. That’s right, a death sentence for even talking about it.

Could you provide some additional info? I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.

38 posted on 09/17/2012 3:08:54 AM PDT by fso301
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To: MarkL

The Chinese don’t even need to start a war, just make a war credible. Citizens of the Asian democracies are not going to allow their governments to fight a war close to home. The Chinese can play the bully and get their way in the dispute over the islands claimed by the Japanese as well as those claimed by Vietnam and the Philippines. Once they are assured that their neighbors have no will to fight then they can easily take Taiwan.


39 posted on 09/17/2012 3:24:59 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: fso301

2005 Anti-Secession Law, full text here:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/08/content_422875.htm

The law was intended for Taiwan but covers all “territorial islands” including the Spratlys and islands within the Phillipine territorial waters.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 8:26:03 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: sushiman

Nuclear power plants, tsunami damage, etc....


41 posted on 09/17/2012 11:37:16 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Romney? Really? Seriously?)
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To: MattinNJ

To be honest I really don’t know . I never watch Japanese TV or read the Japanese news . I do know that the anti-nuclear crowd is growing stronger every day and pushing the govt. for an end to all nuclear power in Japan by 2030 .


42 posted on 09/17/2012 2:47:08 PM PDT by sushiman
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