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Muhammad Al-Zawahiri, Brother Of Al-Qaeda Leader, Proposes 10-Year 'Hudna' To The West
Memri ^ | Sunday, September 16, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:46 PM PDT by rocksandbroncs

On September 15, 2012, the Saudi daily Al-Shuroukh published a document authored by Muhammad Al-Zawahiri, the brother of Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri, proposing a 10-year hudna to the U.S. the West. The document's publication followed Al-Zawahiri's presentation of the main points of the initiative in interviews with Western media.

In the preface to the document, Al-Zawahiri put himself forward as mediator, and explains the need for the initiative, and the reasoning behind it. He presented himself as a member of what he referred to generally as "the Islamic movement," and noted that the initiative aims to serve the interests of the movement and of the Muslims. Addressing the West, which he called "the Muslims' Enemy No. 1," he warns that the Muslims' war against it will only escalate, and that what has happened so far is only the beginning. In this way, he seeks to persuade the West that it is best for it to agree to a ceasefire now.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alzawahiri; hudna; islam; jihadism; muhammadalzawahiri; zawahiri
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This is taqiyya. Moreover, buying into a Ron Paul-like 'hole up in a Fortress America' is a fool's errand.
1 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:57 PM PDT by rocksandbroncs
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To: rocksandbroncs
...he seeks to persuade the West that it is best for it to agree to a ceasefire now.

With Mr. Soetoro in office, is this "mission accomplished"?

2 posted on 09/16/2012 6:26:34 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: rocksandbroncs

WTF is a “hudna”?


3 posted on 09/16/2012 6:28:02 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: rocksandbroncs

Well, I guess he is just being straightforward, that’s all.

Letting us know what is coming. I prefer that.

Evil.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 6:29:18 PM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: lightman

Apparently an armistice or truce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna


5 posted on 09/16/2012 6:30:26 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: rocksandbroncs

Gosh, what a reasonable guy. Running out of virgins? Guess they need time to replenish themselves in just-blowed-myself-up heaven.


6 posted on 09/16/2012 6:31:25 PM PDT by zagger
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To: lightman

No idea. But it isn’t too hard to guess from the context alone.

And, from the context of this, it would apparently suit them.

Basically, Booga-Booga or Death.


7 posted on 09/16/2012 6:32:18 PM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: lightman

A temporary truce. Note the word “temporary”.


8 posted on 09/16/2012 6:32:23 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: rocksandbroncs

Bring it on, Mo. We will cease firing only after we’ve won.


9 posted on 09/16/2012 6:32:49 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rocksandbroncs

“In this way, he seeks to persuade the West that it is best for it to agree to a ceasefire now.”

oh ya..like we should cease fire so you skanky little bastards can rearm.

Here is what should be done. Get a general in there that will put an end to this shit once and for all-fight a total war, and kill every friggan SOB that gets in our way. After we have done that, we will leave.


10 posted on 09/16/2012 6:32:56 PM PDT by crz
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To: Psalm 144
A false truce — offered only when the Islamists need time to regroup and reload.
11 posted on 09/16/2012 6:33:09 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: lightman

A cease fire


12 posted on 09/16/2012 6:33:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rocksandbroncs

No hudna. We’ll stop when you’re all gone.


13 posted on 09/16/2012 6:33:28 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
offered only when the Islamists need time to regroup and reload. ...

... or while time is needed for the centrifuges to spin a bit more (presumably because somebody slowed them down with some computer virus or something)

14 posted on 09/16/2012 6:35:43 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: rocksandbroncs

Between the Taqiyyas, Fatwas, Jihads, and Hudnas, who knows where we stand?


15 posted on 09/16/2012 6:36:21 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: lightman

They, the mohammedans, claim it is a truce but is actually a period for them to rearm and plan more attacks!


16 posted on 09/16/2012 6:36:30 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rocksandbroncs

I have a better idea: nuke an Islamic hellhole per week until they all surrender and abandon their demonic ideology.


17 posted on 09/16/2012 6:38:25 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: lightman
WTF is a “hudna”?

It's arabic for "Peace in our Times," where the arabs/muslims play the Nazis, and the rest of the world is... Well, the rest of the world...

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you.

Mark

18 posted on 09/16/2012 6:38:55 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rocksandbroncs
Al-Zawahiri then proceeded to lay out the main points of his hudna proposal, under which the Islamic movement will undertake not to attack the U.S. or the West in exchange for an end to Western interference in the affairs of the Islamic countries and Western agreement to the establishment of an Islamic state ruled by shari'a law in every country in which the majority of Muslims have expressed widespread support for it.

Here would be my counter proposal. I will offer a 500 year hudna. In every country where muslims are not the majority, they will remove themselves to a country which is a muslim majority. The west will leave and not interfere with any islamic majority country unless it opresses non muslim minorities. As part of the hudna, the islamic countries will be quarantined from the rest of the world. Trade can continue, but no human travel.

19 posted on 09/16/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: lightman

Hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10 years: “if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud” (’Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).

Jewish Genocide Alert: Hamas’s 10 Year Hudna - Atlas Shrugs
Having studied the Quran all through his youth, Obama knows what the 10 year hudna rule is, and understands what Hamas is suggesting. The fact that he is covering for ...
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/05/jewish... - Cached

Hudna
Hudna A cease fire, or truce, to not last longer than 10 years and to be broken as soon as the Jihadists are regrouped and/or rearmed. This philosophy does not ...
cc-act.net/Hudna.html - Cached


20 posted on 09/16/2012 6:41:05 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Psalm 144

“Apparently an armistice or truce.”

As in “Israel, please don’t turn Iran into a glass parking lot!”


21 posted on 09/16/2012 6:43:29 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: lightman
You need to sign the hudna to find out what's in it.
22 posted on 09/16/2012 6:43:36 PM PDT by JIM O
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To: rocksandbroncs

Of course we’ll put our swords down too...

You first.


23 posted on 09/16/2012 6:43:47 PM PDT by onona (This space for rent....cheep)
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To: rocksandbroncs
What he's proposing is the same thing that currently exists between Israel and the Muslims.

Simply Put: "Let's all agree to existing peacefully, while WE, the Muslims, violate that agreement whenever we feel like it and attack Israel in the name of Allah."

The MENTALITY of the militant Muslims will NEVER change. Only a FOOL would agree to anything with them.

24 posted on 09/16/2012 6:43:53 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: BwanaNdege

Pretty much. I wonder what fractures they are experiencing.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 6:45:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: rocksandbroncs

I counter-propose that Muslims not be permitted to leave their countries, and be forced to take “How to behave like human beings” lessons until they prove they’re able to constructively participate in modern civilization.

My other counter-proposal is simply FOAD.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 6:47:37 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny ("Insulting" Islam is as impossible as casting aspersions on a pile of dog crap.)
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To: rocksandbroncs
I've got a better idea.

Drive the SOB’s into refuge camps and feed them Spam.

27 posted on 09/16/2012 6:49:14 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: rocksandbroncs; All
This is taqiyya.
agree...nothing more than an tactic (to hide weakness)....
The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in
disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.
In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding
with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently
employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

28 posted on 09/16/2012 6:49:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: rocksandbroncs

Ambien for the Giant.


29 posted on 09/16/2012 6:50:34 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: JIM O; Elendur; MarkL; Red_Devil 232; driftdiver; Psalm 144; rlmorel

In other words, an olive branch soaked in hemlock.


30 posted on 09/16/2012 6:53:54 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: rocksandbroncs

You had better believe that barack hussein obama has read this proposed hudna.


31 posted on 09/16/2012 6:54:12 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: rawcatslyentist

Surprised no ones thrown this out there.
But wold not be surprised if he and Obama somehow already discussed. And that Obama agrees to it.
Would be a huge October surprise and would give Obama his re-election because the media would run wiht it.


32 posted on 09/16/2012 6:54:35 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: lightman

Muslims are allowed to temporarily declare a truce in Jihad to re-arm, repopulate, consolidate and rebuild. They are not allowed to stop expansion of Islam until it takes over the world. Mohammed specifically limited Hudna (truce) to a MAXIMUM of ten years.


33 posted on 09/16/2012 6:56:32 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: lightman
"...In other words, an olive branch soaked in hemlock..."

And they TELL you is is soaked with hemlock.

And that you should take it, for your own good.

Gee, where have I heard THAT before?

34 posted on 09/16/2012 6:57:22 PM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

it should be understood hat they want to be left alone to establish a caliphate in all places where they have a majority. Within 10 years that will include Europe of course, since there are countries there where muslims have already reached critical mass.

To obama, al-zawahiri et al - UP YOURS!!!!


35 posted on 09/16/2012 6:57:34 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: lightman
Sgt Hudna... Wasn't he in Stripes?


36 posted on 09/16/2012 6:57:52 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Psalm 144

In watching world events - and dog-that-didn’t-bark NON events - I think it’s safe to say the world doesn’t expect to be negotiating with zero much longer.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 6:58:40 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: rocksandbroncs

There are two forms of peace: the peace that comes from capitulation and the peace that comes from winning the war.

A Hudna request is asking us to capitulate and gives the enemy time to regroup. Warriors know that capitulation only brings slavery. The Islamists would not offer this if in fact they held a strong position. This is the very time we should double down on our efforts to destroy them.


38 posted on 09/16/2012 7:02:49 PM PDT by enotheisen (CMSGT USAF Ret)
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To: SERKIT

In 2002 I heard a Phil Henry show that was all about the US losing the WOT. It was all a big joke of course but the show told American women how to size burkas and please men according to what we now know to be Sharia law. People who did not get the fact that show was a joke called in beyond p’d off. But of course the interaction of the host with them was part of the show.

Little did we know in 2002 that America would in 6 years elect Barry Hussein (mmm mmm mmm) and legitimately have to worry about sharia. Damn the joke is really on us. Well if nothing else I have been motivated to learn to shoot.


39 posted on 09/16/2012 7:04:42 PM PDT by lovesdogs (Nevermind what I post...I have clothespins handy and will vote for Mitt.)
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To: rocksandbroncs

Well, not completely....

Accept the Hudna, within which they believe they will gather strength, use the time to drill oil and gas, collapse the oil cost down to reasonable, drying up the terrorist’s main source of Jihad money......game, set, match.

Except for Israel, detach all monies and diplomatic relations from Islamic nations and wait for all the infighting amongst the sects after the Muslim Brotherhood can no longer fund their various causes including Al-Qaeda, that keeps them focused on western nations.

Prior to mid-east oil dominance, they were unfocused....let’s unfocus them again.


40 posted on 09/16/2012 7:07:28 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: txhurl

I think you are correct.


41 posted on 09/16/2012 7:12:38 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: skinkinthegrass

agree...nothing more than an tactic (to hide weakness)....
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in
disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.
In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding
with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently
employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.


Hey, isn’t this what obama does????


42 posted on 09/16/2012 7:13:03 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: lightman

A temporary peace. It is usually done so Muslims can restock their weapons and strategize how to weaken their enemies.


43 posted on 09/16/2012 7:19:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: lightman

A knock off Honda?


44 posted on 09/16/2012 7:19:33 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: DefeatCorruption; All
It is currently employed in fending off and
neutralizing any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
Hey, isn’t this what obama does????
*double face palm* ...You're very correct..
after 3.5 years one tends to get distracted.

45 posted on 09/16/2012 7:20:06 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: enotheisen
A Hudna request is asking us to capitulate and gives the enemy time to regroup. Warriors know that capitulation only brings slavery. The Islamists would not offer this if in fact they held a strong position. This is the very time we should double down on our efforts to destroy them.

I think it may be that we are no longer the top priority, despite what they say. They think that since the arab spring, they have a chance to construct a real caliphate and unite the islamic states. This will mean a muslim civil war during the ten years as they fight for control, but they figure that they can build a strong caliphate with nukes and at the end of the ten years be ready to conquer the rest of the world.

46 posted on 09/16/2012 7:20:08 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MarkL

http://www.passia.org/meetings/2006/Hudna.htm

“The Concept of Hudna (Truce) in Islamic Sources”


47 posted on 09/16/2012 7:20:33 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Treeless Branch

Surprised no ones thrown this out there.
But wold not be surprised if he and Obama somehow already discussed. And that Obama agrees to it.
Would be a huge October surprise and would give Obama his re-election because the media would run wiht it.


Think you are right...only Israel will need to go...it says so in the “agreement”....so Israel will go it alone without our help and be blown to smitherines. We are so screwed. This is pretty depressing stuff.


48 posted on 09/16/2012 7:20:46 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: sitetest

per day, even better..wipe them out once and for all...all generations too


49 posted on 09/16/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: skinkinthegrass

sounds like Obama...


50 posted on 09/16/2012 7:23:26 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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