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Pit bull owners say neighborhood ban won't make them part with dogs
Baltimore Sun ^ | 9/16/12 | Kevin Rector

Posted on 09/16/2012 9:41:03 PM PDT by DallasBiff

Since Shelly Kizina adopted her pit bull Jada four years ago after finding the dog abused and tied to a tree in North Carolina, the Northeast Baltimore resident and her pet have been practically inseparable, she said.

"I brought her here, and she's been like my best friend. She follows me everywhere," Kizina said on her porch in the Armistead Gardens neighborhood Sunday, as family members watched the Ravens game inside and Jada sat by her side.

That Armistead Homes Corp., which manages the low-income housing cooperative, has demanded Kizina and other neighborhood residents with pit bulls get rid of their pets is "insane," Kizina said.

"I don't care what they do," Kizina said. "I'll sell my house before I get rid of my dog."

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: dog; obama; pitbull; romney
I've met some pretty mean schnauzers and poodles in my time.

It's the owner and not the dog.

1 posted on 09/16/2012 9:41:08 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Speaking of Pit Bulls......what ever happened to Chet99 (I think that was his name)? He used to post on here all the time about Pit violence stories.


2 posted on 09/16/2012 9:44:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: DallasBiff

Actual pit bull dogs are dangerous.
Many people call bull dogs pits.
Pit bulls were raised for a specific purpose and it was not to be our friend.
Because people liked the look they took them as pets, thinking that breeding and the owner would change their very nature. It does not.
It takes at least ten generation to begin to change their nature.
Are they loyal to their owners, they appear to be, they can not ever be trusted.
Is it the dogs fault no, it just is the way the dogs are.


3 posted on 09/16/2012 10:31:36 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Ridiculous. Pit Bulls are American Staffordshire Terriers. They’ve been around since at least the late nineteenth century, several decorated war dogs belonged to the breed, Victor the mascot of RCA, Petey of Little Rascals. Wonderful, intelligent, loyal, athletic dogs. You make a sweeping generalization based upon those unfortunate animals owned by drug dealers, street thugs and rednecks who prize aggression and have sought to make their dogs more aggressive. These are the exception, not the rule. If there Actually has been a documented, deliberate attempt to breed aggression into the line this is not in conformity with breed standards. You just totally made all that stuff up.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 10:41:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

There is a reason why the dogs are called PIT bulls.
It is not a generalization, there is a reason I said actual pit bulls.
Lots of people have dogs they think are pits that are not.


5 posted on 09/16/2012 10:50:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: DallasBiff
I've met some pretty mean schnauzers and poodles in my time.

Good point.

They should extend the ban to include any and all mean dogs.

It's the owner and not the dog.

Who does the biting--the owner or the dog?

6 posted on 09/16/2012 11:00:49 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: DallasBiff

This morning my neighbor’s Boston terrier and pit mix came running in when my wife opened the door. He charged up on the bed, and gave the back of my neck a bath. The neighbors keep him chained up, and he is solid, bulging muscle. When he he wants attention there is no denying him.


7 posted on 09/16/2012 11:15:26 PM PDT by pallis
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To: svcw

It’s always people who don’t own one who think they know so much about them.

Clearly you are one of these.

I happen to own one, an American Staffordshire and I do trust him. Completely. Rescued him when he was a puppy and he is now 6. He’s the sweetest, smartest, most loyal dog ever.

Educate yourself. Look up temperament testing on all breeds. Bulldogs have some of the best scores of any breed, including golden retrievers. If they are mean it is because they have been made that way by their owner, and that can be done to ANY breed.

I would do the same thing she is doing. I would fight it in the courts but I would also be willing to move if I had to. No way I’m giving up my precious pup.


8 posted on 09/16/2012 11:41:34 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

I know you want me to know nothing about Pit Bulls, and that is ok.
I do not own one for a very good reason, I would never have one around my children or grandchildren.
Actual Pit Bulls account for 59% of all dog related against human deaths/injury, the next dog is Rottweilers at 14%.
People who have Pits love them, I get that.
Again, I do know actual Pits and I would never own one.


9 posted on 09/16/2012 11:59:12 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

I’m sorry you misunderstood me. I do want you to have knowledge about this, and from your comments it’s obvious you don’t.

The fact that you would never own one because you have kids/grandkids obviously means you think they are automatically dangerous when the facts state otherwise.

But I have no problem with others’ preferences. I mean, I’m not a cat person and kbviously alot of people are.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 12:45:39 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: svcw

Each year, the American Temperament Testing Society holds evaluations across the country for dog breeds and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of 2011, pit bull breeds achieved a combined passing score of 86.7 percent. To put these figures into context, the combined passing rate of all breeds was 83 percent. The Collie, an icon of obedience, passed at a rate of 79.9 percent, and the beloved Golden Retriever scored at 84.9 percent


11 posted on 09/17/2012 12:48:19 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

I completely understand that people want to love their Pits.
As I said before, 59% of deaths and injuries - dog human - are caused by Pits.
The next closest dog are Rottweilers at 14%.
It is just the way it is.
I do know Pits and because I do would never own one.
Are there dogs that never have a problem, sure.
The issue is that you do not know and will never know if the Pit you may own is one of those.
I will repeat it, I do know Pits and I would never own one, it just is not worth the risk.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 1:03:49 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

I do know that mine is not aggressive.

I agree with you on this; you should never own one.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 1:36:07 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: DallasBiff

Since Shelly Kizina adopted her pit bull Jada four years ago after finding the dog abused and tied to a tree in North Carolina

Yeah, a dog with that kind of background will be safe dog to have around children.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 4:11:34 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Lil Flower

The fact that you would never own one because you have kids/grandkids obviously means you think they are automatically dangerous when the facts state otherwise.

These dogs are not automatically dangerous. The problem is that a few percent of them are dangerous and you can’t always tell which ones are until it’s too late.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 4:13:46 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: DallasBiff

It’s interesting that here in Maryland, there is so much discussion about completely eradicating the pit bull breed, yet when I looked in the want ads, all I found were pit bull puppies. Apparently, in Maryland, the only existing breed *is* pit bull.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 4:26:47 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: freedomfiter2

**These dogs are not automatically dangerous. The problem is that a few percent of them are dangerous and you can’t always tell which ones are until it’s too late.**

You are making it sound as if bulldogs have this ability to hide their aggressiveness and then suddenly snap.They are what their owners make them. Period. And that can be done with any dog. My advice to all is if you’re afraid that a dog can somehow trick you this way, then don’t own a dog. Any kind of dog. I put statistics up from 2011 that shows they have a better temperament overall than do golden retrievers. Those are facts. But when faced with FACTS that someone doesn’t WANT to believe, they just simply ignore them and continue on in their ignorance.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: DallasBiff

These four-legged varmints are partly the reason I carry a .45 on my walks.

Two-legged varmints provide the rest.

Semper Fi,


18 posted on 09/17/2012 6:35:39 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Lil Flower

I looked at these temperament tests, and it was interesting. Not much in surprises for me either, the coonhound/foxhound breeds are 100%, which means they are neither shy, or aggressive. The other interesting part is that my favorites of the working dogs, the malinois and dutch shepherds are both in the 92% range, much higher than many ordinary dog breeds. Of course these have been bred for years to have good nerves, and minds, so good breeding programs work, plus they are extremely easy to train, it doesn’t take a thousand reps for these dogs to pick up something.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 7:49:17 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Lil Flower

You are making it sound as if bulldogs have this ability to hide their aggressiveness and then suddenly snap.

Every other bull dog attack story I reads includes the line about the dog never showing any signs of agression before.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 3:31:45 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Lil Flower

You are making it sound as if bulldogs have this ability to hide their aggressiveness and then suddenly snap.

Every other bull dog attack story I read includes the line about the dog never showing any signs of agression before.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 3:32:06 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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22 posted on 09/17/2012 4:11:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Two years ago my wife and I were in the market for a dog. We were looking for a small dog - we live in a townhouse and don't have room for a larger dog to roam. We went, among other places, to Howard County Animal Rescue. There we found that about 90% of the dogs they had available were pit bulls or pit bull mixes. Most of them were adult dogs as well. We ended up going to a breeder in Carroll County where we bought our Silky Terrier, Sir Winston.



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23 posted on 09/17/2012 4:25:31 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Lil Flower

I found this whole website very interesting; but your specific argument points to this page:

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html

BTW, dogs are bred for certain traits. Temperament/personality/character ARE NOT excluded from the gene pool. Breeding - and thus, the whole breed or type (in this case) - can indeed be blamed. Not every dog who acts shy or aggressive was “abused” - that’s a bunch of BS taken right out of a PETA playbook.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 8:24:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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