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As Violent Anti-Japan Protests Spread Across China, 1,000 Fishing Boats Headed To Disputed Islands
World Crunch ^ | 09/17/12

Posted on 09/17/2012 4:56:32 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

UPDATE: As Violent Anti-Japan Protests Spread Across China, 1,000 Fishing Boats Headed To Disputed Islands

NHK, KYODO, THE ASAHI SHIMBUN, THE DAILY YOMIURI (Japan), CHINA DAILY, XINHUA (China), THE STANDARD (Hong Kong), THE GLOBE AND MAIL (Canada)

Worldcrunch

Around 1,000 Chinese fishing boats are expected to arrive in waters near the Senkaku Islands claimed by China later Monday, reports Kyodo news, in what may be Beijing's additional countermeasures over Japan's nationalization of the islets.

If a large number of Chinese vessels intrude into Japanese territorial waters around the Japanese-controlled islands in the East China Sea, says Kyodo, it could trigger unexpected incidents such as clashes with Japan Coast Guard patrol ships, further escalating tensions between the two countries.

Chinese demonstrators rallied in front of the Japanese Embassy in Beijing for the seventh straight day on Monday, reports the NHK.

Chinese protests grew Sunday against Japan's nationalization of the Senkaku Islands, with rallies counted in at least 85 cities and spotty reports of continuing violence and property damage.

Aside from Beijing and Shanghai, the rallies spread to other major cities. The NHK reported rallies drew over 10,000 people in Guangzhou, where thousands of demonstrators, some holding flags and pictures of Chairman Mao Zedong, stormed the Japanese Consulate General compound, attacked a nearby sushi restaurant and destroyed Japanese-made vehicles parked on the street.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; diaoyutai; senkaku

1 posted on 09/17/2012 4:56:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; Unam Sanctam; taxesareforever; Avenger; ...

P!


2 posted on 09/17/2012 4:57:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Another ally about to be thrown under the rickshaw.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 5:00:55 AM PDT by AU72
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To: TigerLikesRooster

First I have heard of this.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 5:12:19 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sounds a lot like what’s happening in this country. Sending illegal aliens and union members to disrupt society.


5 posted on 09/17/2012 5:12:45 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jeff Head

We discussed this tactic a decade ago. Here it is.


6 posted on 09/17/2012 5:20:33 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 5:21:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Japan should sever diplomatic ties with the Chicoms and close their ports to Chinese made goods.Then the *real* fun will begin.
8 posted on 09/17/2012 5:28:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Summon the Divine Wind..


9 posted on 09/17/2012 5:33:34 AM PDT by wolficatZ ("We are no longer accepting comments on this article")
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To: TigerLikesRooster; mickie
The Senkaku (or Pinnacle) islands consist of 5 tiny islets (1700 acres total) and 3 barren rocks. They are uninhabited. They are controlled by Japan.

China lays claim to the islets alleging that some Chinese guys "discovered" them in the 14th century.....and therefore they belong to the Chinese mainland. The Japanese aren't buying this story.

Actually, the reason for this tug-of-war between the two countries is that there is some credible reason to believe that there is oil under the islets....and this speculation has sparked all the sudden interest in the Senkaku area.

Leni

10 posted on 09/17/2012 5:35:49 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/a-map-of-conflicts-in-the-south-and-east-china-seas

Appears to be about 73 similar conflicting claims to islands from India to Japan, Vietnam to Korea over the past 50 years, but China is involved in some 61 of them.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 5:45:29 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: MinuteGal

Plus good fishing. If the Japanese lose the Senkaku’s their exclusive economic zone shrinks considerably and that is food resources the Japanese need.

But, I think the Chinese are going to win this one. There is not a sufficiently strong consensus among the Japanese public to take on China at this time. Not militarily, not diplomatically, not economically.

But China is not going to get all its way. At a minimum the Noda government is going to fall. If it falls, the Diet may fall as well and a General Election will have to be held. If that happens, the LDP will be back in power and the hawks could very well be in total charge.

That means the Constitution gets revised and Article 9 will get thrown out. The militarist wing of the LDP and SDF will call for bigger budgets, more arms and possibly even nukes. They might even get them.

They will certainly get more ships and airplanes.

All in all, this has the potential to poison relations for decades. I hope both sides wake up and start toning things down soon.

But the thing that worries me most right now is what will happen if a Japanese citizen gets killed in the rioting going on across China. If that happens, things could really get out of hand.

Scary as hell, friend. Scary as hell.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:34 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The best thing Japan can hope for is a typhoon, they certainly won’t receive any help from the US as long as the 0bama regime is in power.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 6:00:01 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Chinese Spring roll.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 6:02:58 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

China is looking for a clash


15 posted on 09/17/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Ronin

China is export dependent and exports are way down in the Great Recession. Their economic prowess is a hollow illusion and whipping up nationalist fervor is common among tyrannies when economies go bad,


16 posted on 09/17/2012 7:06:25 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Civilian shields on government-owned boats.

If China pushes too hard, we should embargo their exports.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 8:20:00 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Gay State Conservative

So should we, for that matter.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 8:37:35 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Only 18 posts on World War III maybe starting in the Pacific??
Whats the deal with the lack of interest?
19 posted on 09/17/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
No flying body parts and explosion yet.:-)
20 posted on 09/17/2012 6:35:08 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: MinuteGal

Well that’s one side to the story. There is another which is just as credible. Japan is being very imperialistic of late and not just in this instance.
Hope this helps them learn a badly needed lesson.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 6:58:50 PM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep...be interestiong to sea how the Japanese Coast Guard handles it. If they call in the JMSDF, then it will get serious.


22 posted on 09/17/2012 9:16:55 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Travis McGee
This is what Japanese may see:

Huge Chinese fishing fleet


23 posted on 09/17/2012 9:21:39 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Jeff Head; TigerLikesRooster

It could get ugly fast. While we’re all watching Iran, it might explode in the SC Sea.

The world does not revolve around the needs and desires of the USA. Plenty of other action going on that could drag the world into war.


24 posted on 09/18/2012 6:09:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
The Japanese/Chinese escalating Dispute over the Diaoyu Islands

By: Jeff Head
September 18, 2012

The Diaoyu Islands are a small chain of islands that lie between Taiwan (Formosa) and Guam Island. In 1895 the Japanese landed there, and finding them uninhabited, claimed them for the Empire of Japan. The Japanese exerted control over the island until losing World War II.


Map of the location of the Diaoyu Islands

After their defeat by the United States and her allies, Japanes ceded control of the Islands to US Administrative Control. When the Island of Guam was returned to Japan, these islands were also returned by the United States. But, at, or soon after those events, claims by first The Republic of China (which had located onto Taiwan after they were driven off of the mainland when they lost the revolutionary war in China) and the mainland People's Republic of China were made.


The largest Diaoyu Island


Typical Diaoyu Islands

None the less, Japan continued to control and claim the Islands, where it is thought that significant gas, oil and potentially other natural resources exist in some abundance near the Islands.


Japense Maritime Self Defense Force P-3 Patrol Plane near the Diaoyu Islands

On August 16, 2012, several Chinese activists attempted, and some landed on the Diaoyu Islands and were immediately interdicted, and/or apprehended by Japanese Coast Guard Vessels.


Japanese Coast Guard Vessels interdicts Chinese activist vessel


Japanese Coast Guard personnel apprehend and arrest Chinese activists who landed on the islands

Pictures of the interdiction and arrests, which many Chinese felt was heavy handed, caused large protests in China beginning August 19th regarding the interdiction and arrest of the Chinese by Japanese Coast Guard personnel.


Chinese citizens protesting the arrest of Chinese citizens by the Japnese Coast Guard

As a result, in late August and into September of 2012, the Chinese announced that their Maritime Surveillance Patrol vessels would begin patrolling the islands more regularly. The Japanese Coat Guard responded by announcing that their Coast Guard vessels would protect the soveriegnty of the islands.


Chinese Maritime Surveillance Vessels to patrol the Diaoyu Islands


Japanese Coast Guard vessels to protect the integrity of the Diaoyu Islands

As a result, there have been numerous confrontations between these vessels where armed Japanese Coast Guard vessels have interdicted or shadowed the generally unarmed Chinese Maritime Surveillance vessels.


Japanese Coast Guard vessel interdicts Chinese Maritime Surveillance vessel

During the week of September 10, 2012, the Japanese government purchased the Islands outright from the Japanese private cistizens who owned them, declaring the islands as Japanese soverign territory.


Japanese purchase and annnounce the national soverignty of the Diaoyu Islands

This resulted in much more massive and wide spread anti-Japanese protests throughout China, particularly on September 15-16, 2012. Chinese Police were called in to protect the Japanese embassy and consulates, and Japanese shops and stores. Despite this, protesters broke through police lines in several instances and destroyed Japanese shops and stores in China.


Chinese Citizens protest the Japnese purchase and nationalization of the Diaoyu Islands


Chinese Citizens protest Japanese actions, contending with Chinese Police


Chinese Citizens protest Japanese actions, contending with Chinese Police


Chinese Citizens protest Japanese actions, contending with Chinese Police


Chinese Citizens break through Police lines and destroy Japanese businesses and shops

In an escalation, and a plan to overwhelm the Chinese Coast Guard, hundreds of fishing vessels began gathering in Chinese ports to sail to the Islands in a massive protest, gathering on September 17, 2012 and setting sail towards the Islands on September 18th.


Chinese Fishing vessels gathering to set sail for the Diaoyu Islands


Chinese Fishing vessels sailing towards the Diaoyu Islands

This is turning into a serious, escalating situation. Both political leaderships of the two countries are facing election or leadership turnover and are not of a mind to back down. To date, neither official military force, the PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) or the JMSDF (Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force) have become involved. But the Japaense Coast Guard is armed and one can see how this highly emotional event could lead to collissions, more confrontations and arrests, and potential violence.

If that happens and either one or the other deploys their military forces, a major crisis involving potential naval and air combat between the two nations could occur.

The next few days as the large number of fishing vessels converge on the Islands and are confronted by the Japanese Coast Guard vessels, will be indicative of how this crisis may play out. Let's all hope that cooler heads prevail.

From the Japanese perspective, perhaps letting these fishing vessels come near to, pass around, protest, and make their statement without interference would be the best way to avoid conflict. They clearly will not be able to inhabit and claim the islands. Letting them sail around a few days and ultimately depart may be the best way to ease tensions and lead to constructive talks about what the two nations will do through negotiations as opposed to the rising potential of armed conflict.

From the Chinese perspective, interdicting that large fleet of fishing vessels with their own Coast Guard or Navt, which fishing boats seem intent on violating what Japan considers to be its soverign territory and avoid the potential confronttions that are sure to ensue, may well be the best course. Such an action on their part could equally lead to an easing of tensions and the potential for talks and negotiations to open up over the issue.

But those are the conditions as of September 18, 2012.

25 posted on 09/18/2012 8:48:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Awesome photo and caption montage, Jeff! Wow! Terrific photos!


26 posted on 09/18/2012 9:01:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jeff Head

That is the most concise and informative post I have seen on this. Thank you.


27 posted on 09/18/2012 9:04:38 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Travis McGee; Lurkina.n.Learnin
Thanks, I have put the entire thing up on my own site and am tryong to spread the word.

HERE

The fact is, there are other areas where our leadership and strength are needed and where things could get out of hand quickly.

We need a steady, all-American hand at the wheel...not someone who is appeasing, or who viewed as weak or unsure, or who is themself against America's traditional, vital interests.

Otherwise, things will go bad all around simultaneously as belligerent powers take advantage of the vacuum.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY

28 posted on 09/18/2012 9:20:25 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

The United States Navy used to be a stabelizing force in the area. Not under our current administration.


29 posted on 09/19/2012 10:17:11 AM PDT by marktwain
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