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What an iSore: Apple's massive new 100-acre solar farm (NC)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | UPDATED: 12:17 EST, 14 September 2012 | Eddie Wrenn

Posted on 09/17/2012 5:11:59 AM PDT by Rebelbase

Huge, ugly and cluttered, it is almost the antithesis of Apple's iconic design style.

Apple has almost finished work on a massive solar farm next to its data centre in North Carolina, hoping to boost its green credentials - but scarring the landscape with a 100-acre eyesore at the same time.

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1 posted on 09/17/2012 5:12:02 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Chicom near-slave labor made panels?


2 posted on 09/17/2012 5:15:51 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Rebelbase

Where are they going to put all that cr@p when the enterprise goes belly-up (as it will)?


3 posted on 09/17/2012 5:21:29 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: Rebelbase

IDK, it doesn’t look that bad to me, especially compared to Pasadena, TX and all the chemical plants there (not to mention the sulfuric odor that permeates the place).


4 posted on 09/17/2012 5:28:20 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Rebelbase

I drove by the site nearly every day it was under construction.. Acres of trees were felled to make room for this monument to green energy. I wonder how much carbon dioxide was reprocessed naturally into oxygen by those trees and if their loss was subtracted from the carbon footprint reduction projections for the solar farm.


5 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:04 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Rebelbase
Each panel in the farm is installed on a tracker, which keeps everything pointing at the sun, scooping up as much of the Californian rays as possible.

How does this collector scoop up "California rays" if it is located in North Carolina? I guess one could say the rays are the same in North Carolina and California if they come from the same sun..... But that is stretching it.

6 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:09 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Rebelbase

Love it when liberal whacko groups collide...


7 posted on 09/17/2012 5:31:10 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Rebelbase

oh yeah... that’s great for the environment !

/s


8 posted on 09/17/2012 5:33:44 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Soul of the South

According to another article I read, Apple is planting trees elsewhere to replace the ones they cut down. Don’t have a cite, so I don’t know how reliable that is.

Pictures from before they started indicate that about 50% of the area was wooded. But, there were a lot of complaints from neighbors about the smoke. They burned a lot of the cleared trees and brush on site.


9 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:04 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Sawdring

Haven’t you heard the saying, “...so far back in the sticks we have to pump in sunshine”?

Well....


10 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:59 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Rebelbase

Quite frankly, I’d love to have a panel or two at my house! And I’m seriously considering... it will pay for itself in 2 years, and free electric from there on! It’s not because it’s green, it’s because it’s free!


11 posted on 09/17/2012 5:42:38 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: Rebelbase

Amazing. I guess they don’t have hail storms in NC the same as we do here in Virginia!


12 posted on 09/17/2012 5:44:55 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Rebelbase

This thing is about 10 miles from my house. I’ll have to go take a look.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 5:48:25 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Portcall24

Are Google and facebook down today? Of course not, they are on the grid as the rest of us are. It is overcast in this area (Hickory, NC) today and will be all day. So much for green!


14 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:41 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Rebelbase

Better than a pig farm; you can’t smell it.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 5:58:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: bytesmith

Apple murdered literally millions of plants and animals to build a solar grid that is totally unnecessary, doing it to make liberals feel good about themselves all in the name of Green Energy.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 6:00:49 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: Lee'sGhost

I have never heard that saying before but I think I’m going to try to steer a conversation this week so I can use it.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:09 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Rebelbase

Wonder why they didn’t build it in CA? Does NC like being colonized as the dumping ground for Apple’s ugly installation of PC idiocy?


18 posted on 09/17/2012 6:11:04 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: myrabach

“it will pay for itself in 2 years”

Who told you the math behind this? It won’t be two years. You’ll be lucky to get a 20 year return.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 6:19:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Better yet- go take a before/after picture after the next wind/hail/storm that comes through

I bet these things fly real aerodynamically in a nice tornado.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 6:25:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (Reagan: “Washington is where good ideas go to die.”)
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To: myrabach

It’s not because it’s green, it’s because it’s free!

It’s free until the government decides to tax it. Then What?


21 posted on 09/17/2012 6:39:18 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: myrabach

I’m all for economic sense, but if your math is indeed correct, it likely only makes sense because you, the taxpayer, are subsidizing the purchase of those panels with tax breaks.

That being said, you have to pay your taxes anyway, so it makes sense to buy them - then vote Republican.

IF your math is accurate.


22 posted on 09/17/2012 6:41:53 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: o2bfree

“Apple murdered literally millions of plants and animals”

Murdered?

Animals?

Dirt and pebbles don’t taste very good, and from your post that must be what you eat.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 6:48:01 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: CodeToad
Who told you the math behind this? It won’t be two years. You’ll be lucky to get a 20 year return.

Indeed. Some of the ones our government has favored would take 75 years to recoup the initial investment, and they're only designed to last about half that time. It's a pipe dream. Solar panels aren't good enough yet, perhaps they'll never be.
24 posted on 09/17/2012 6:48:35 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Rebelbase

That is ugly. all that to power a single Iphone?


25 posted on 09/17/2012 7:00:28 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: txrefugee
Wonder why they didn’t build it in CA?

Not in my backyard, they won't.
26 posted on 09/17/2012 7:07:16 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Rebelbase
Wonder how many people they need to employ to wash the dust and bird poop off 100 acres worth of panels?

Talk about a useless, make-work endeavor. Glad that I don't own Apple, if they're this willing to flush $$$$$ down the john.

27 posted on 09/17/2012 7:12:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: CodeToad; myrabach

I think myrabach lost a zero in the payback calculation.
20 years is more likely.

$5000/kw panel installed

8 hr/day opeation (taking into account cloudy days)

Cost savings from utiltiy - $0.13/kw-hr

Daily savings - 8 x 0.13 = $1.04

Months to pay off panel - 5000/(1.04x30) = 160 months or 13.3 years.

I think my numbers may be optimistic on the installation but the payoff is certainly not 2 years.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 7:29:50 AM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

Panels are rarely 100% efficient. Most of the day they obtain about 40%, and morning and evening 25%. Toss in the fact that the majority of consumer electricity use is at night when the sun isn’t hanging around and the savings dwindle to maybe 25%. Which mean solar probably never will payback before the solar cells fail.


29 posted on 09/17/2012 7:56:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: super7man

Well I pay @$3000+/yr for electricity here in NC, so maybe my calculation isn’t as exact, but that seems like 2 years to me? Even if the government taxes it, it still seems like a bit of a savings. I believe I can sell any overages back to my electric company co-op?


30 posted on 09/17/2012 8:19:02 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: Arm_Bears

“Where are they going to put all that cr@p when the enterprise goes belly-up (as it will)?”

I was thinking along the same lines as soon as I saw the first pics of their “solar farm”.

It may work at first. But I sense that before long, problems will start developing, taking out small groups of panels at first, then more, then....

As Soul of the South posted in #5, Apple’s farm is probably destined to become a huge non-working “monument to green energy”. A North Carolina Solyndra.

Apple probably would have done better to clear the property and plant tobacco. More return for the stockholders!


31 posted on 09/17/2012 8:59:57 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: myrabach

Ah, I see the problem. My analysis was for a 1kw of power (10 light bulbs; not even enough for a teenagers hair dryer) and was a generic analysis of the payoff.

If you want to power you whole home you need probably a minimum of 20kw. Your installation cost would be $100,000.
Your payoff is now 33 years at $3000/year.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 10:03:01 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Rebelbase
So they cut down trees that sequester carbon, to build energy inefficient solar panels so less carbon would be burned?

Sounds like the new Greenpeace ship. It is pure and clean and doesn't use fossil fuels, it has sails instead.
With a backup electric motor system. (and I have to whisper this part; but diesel engines provide power to the electric motors)

33 posted on 09/17/2012 10:09:53 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: CodeToad; myrabach
““it will pay for itself in 2 years”

Who told you the math behind this? It won’t be two years. You’ll be lucky to get a 20 year return.”

You would have to get a huge tax credit or some other way that somebody else is paying for it then.

Solar is very expensive and very long payback if at all; from all I have seen.

34 posted on 09/17/2012 10:13:30 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: super7man

I don’t have the analysis at my fingertips, but we did look at the price for systems to to the entire house, and it wasd no where near $100,000, I think the most expensive was @$14,000. Maybe I”m incorrect, but I thought the drawback to either solar or wind for home was that you still had to use public electric, which then was cost prohibitive. But I’ve only done cursory research on this and it seems my numbers should be closer to the $14K range, paid of in 4.1 years with a 21.2% annual ROI. Still not bad.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:22 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Combined federal and State solar credits are about 50% of the cost. So a 5kw system at $25,000 would get about a $12,000 tax credit, leaving about $13,000 to pay.


36 posted on 09/17/2012 10:29:25 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: CodeToad
“Combined federal and State solar credits are about 50% of the cost. “

Unreal. And people wonder why we are 16 trillion in debt.
Thanks

37 posted on 09/17/2012 10:32:26 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: chainsaw

I will try again, you got the wrong conclusion. My post is mean to show the hypocrisy of the Liberals and the Environmentalists.

Environmentalists work like the devil to “protect the trees” whenever a factory or a shopping malls needs to be built. The do this to stop industry from moving forward.

However, when its time to for boondoggle green energy solar projects, liberals couldn’t care less. Environmentalists are more than happy about clearing the land and installing these horrible unnecessary eyesores.


38 posted on 09/17/2012 11:16:15 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: Portcall24

“Amazing. I guess they don’t have hail storms in NC the same as we do here in Virginia!”

LOL! I was thinking they better not build something like that in Colorado because we get some massive hail storms sometimes with REALLY big hail. I’ve gotten two free replacement roofs from big hail storms during the last 35 years here.


39 posted on 09/17/2012 1:49:12 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

When they were testing the radar cross section of the SR-71 (then called Oxcart by the CIA that owned it) at Area 51, they had this thing called “toot and scoot”. When a Soviet satellite was coming over they had to scramble to cover up everything and hide the evidence. So perhaps they can hire a thousand folks to wait around until there’s a hail storm coming and then have them scramble out to cover the collectors. See how easy it is to hire a 1,000 folks and “stimulate” the economy with other people’s money?


40 posted on 09/17/2012 1:56:21 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: myrabach

Then I’d say, go for it. If you can get it for $14K that is a good deal.

However, you are correct, you will still have to be on the the grid and use public utilites for your peak usage is above what your solar panels can produce.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 3:07:25 PM PDT by super7man
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To: BwanaNdege

How far from an airport?

Pilots are being blinded by solar panels when they are on landing approach. Doesn’t sound very good to me.


42 posted on 09/17/2012 7:42:32 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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