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Panetta Warns of War Between China and Japan Over Disputed Islands
CNS NEWS ^ | September 17, 2012 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 09/17/2012 8:56:52 AM PDT by AmonAmarth

(CNSNews.com) – Exchanging warnings but avoiding confrontations thus far, Chinese and Japanese ships have come within less than half a nautical mile of each other in an ongoing dispute over the sovereignty of contested islands.

Amid deepening tensions in a long-running saga over the uninhabited islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warned Sunday about the possibility of war between the two Asian countries.

“What we don't want is to have any kind of provocative behavior on the part of China or anybody else result in conflict,” he told reporters accompanying him on a trip that includes stops in Japan, China and New Zealand.

“My purpose will be to urge that they engage in the effort by the Asian nations to try to work out a format for resolving these issues,” he added, referring to a code of conduct developed by the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in a bid to manage unconnected territorial disputes between China and ASEAN members in the South China Sea.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chinajapan; disputedislands; japanchina; panetta
Where is our Nobel Peace Prize winner when you need him?
1 posted on 09/17/2012 8:56:56 AM PDT by AmonAmarth
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To: AmonAmarth

Israel-Iran clash
China-Japan clash
Russia invades Georgia
North Korea lobs shells into South Korea
Middle East on Fire
.....

October could be interesting


2 posted on 09/17/2012 9:02:47 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AmonAmarth

I’m sure your weak ass boss will go to some hip hop party while the enemies of freedom run rampant, Leon.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: GeronL

The sheet is poised to hit the fan soon.....


4 posted on 09/17/2012 9:04:31 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: AmonAmarth
"Where is our Nobel Peace Prize winner when you need him?"

Probably sipping an appletini at the clubhouse chuckling at his good fortune in generating this October Surprise.

5 posted on 09/17/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: AmonAmarth

Somehow I don’t think Japan and China would go at it again in a war. Article is interesting in that they are privately owned one guy that is selling them to Japan.


6 posted on 09/17/2012 9:05:36 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: GeronL

Don’t forget Taiwan. This may prove that China’s a lot less beligerent than we give them credit for.

Lord knows we wouldn’t lift a finger at this point if they did.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 9:07:43 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: AmonAmarth

Obama put the fan on high speed and now its wobbling all over


8 posted on 09/17/2012 9:07:43 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: lonevoice

ping


9 posted on 09/17/2012 9:08:08 AM PDT by Pride in the USA (With Romney - Ryan you get change back.)
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To: AmonAmarth

Japan can’t go to war with China, their constitution forbids rearming.

Unless Japanese Neoconservatives manage to amend the Constitution to allow rearming, then any hypothetical war with China will be short.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 9:08:17 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44

“Japan can’t go to war with China, their constitution forbids rearming.”

Then it would be a wise choice on Japans part to give those disputed islands....


11 posted on 09/17/2012 9:09:48 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Yep. It would be a disaster but Obama is a commie first.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 9:10:24 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Shadow44
Japan can’t go to war with China, their constitution forbids rearming.
Unless Japanese Neoconservatives manage to amend the Constitution to allow rearming, then any hypothetical war with China will be short.

1) The Japanese have been "re-armed" for decades. The fiction that they haven't (and that has been accepted by the naive and the gullible, and those just not paying attention) is maintaned by the facade of them calling their forces "Self-Defense Forces."

2) The Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force is arguably the second most powerful Navy in the World.

3)In a naval war the likelyhood that the Japanese would not only defeat China, but humiliate them (and completely without US assistance), is quite high.

13 posted on 09/17/2012 9:14:01 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: AmonAmarth

http://imgur.com/a/Y7oIp/

pictures


14 posted on 09/17/2012 9:15:47 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Employees at a dealership hold up a sign that says WE WILL KILL EVERY JAPANESE PERSON EVEN IF IT MEANS DEATHS FOR OUR OWN; EVEN POVERTY WILL NOT DETER US FROM RECLAIMING THE DIAOYU ISLANDS


A woman tries to stop rioters from demolishing her Japanese brand car


Toyota dealership in Shanghai set on fire

15 posted on 09/17/2012 9:17:53 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: edcoil

The issue is an welcome distraction that the central party can use to take the Chinese minds off the economic mess. At some point they will need to kill off a lot of males.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 9:18:26 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: GeronL

Note also the nearby thread about sequestration and the possibility of our Defense budget being cut in very dramatic ways. The time is either not good at all, or else just about perfect (depending on how much you love this country).


17 posted on 09/17/2012 9:18:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: meatloaf
The issue is an welcome distraction that the central party can use to take the Chinese minds off the economic mess. At some point they will need to kill off a lot of males.

A naval war isn't a very effective way to use men as cannon-fodder to kill them off.

18 posted on 09/17/2012 9:19:48 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: AmonAmarth

Japan is one of the few countries with Aegis cruisers.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 9:20:02 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Strategerist

I have to admit I am out of date with Japan’s military. All I really remember was the grumbling of Japanese Neocons grumbling over Article 9.

China’s naval buildup seems to be directed towards this exact scenario. Do they have numerical superiority yet?


20 posted on 09/17/2012 9:20:10 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: edcoil

These islands are, literally, nothing more than rocks breaking the surface of the East China Sea. The problem here is that if something starts between China and Japan, the US is legally obligated, under Treaty, to defend Japan. So the question is this: if something begins will the US defend its greatest Asian ally or throw them under the bus as well, for a few rocks?


21 posted on 09/17/2012 9:22:08 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: AmonAmarth

American weakness in the world makes for good news cycles.


22 posted on 09/17/2012 9:22:56 AM PDT by pallis
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To: AmonAmarth

Instead of warning of war, Panetta should be keeping quiet while our Secretary of State warns China of our intent to use any means necessary to support our ally Japan. But then when you have zero leadership in the Executive branch, allies like Japan, Poland, Egypt, Iraq, and the Czech Republic are screwed.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 9:25:11 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Shadow44

China has numerical superiority in a simple-minded “bean count” way, yes.

The same way Iraq had numerical superiority in troops, artillery pieces, etc. over the Coalition in Desert Storm.

The Chinese Navy is basically helpless at ASW; just the (very quiet and very deadly) submarines of the JMSDF alone could run riot sinking every Chinese vessel at sea, if they wanted to.

The Japanese are much better trained, and overall have a higher level of technology (especially proven technology.)


24 posted on 09/17/2012 9:26:08 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: AmonAmarth
Some years ago an analyst was asked how long did he think it would take for Japan to field a nuclear weapon - most would think many months, if not several years.
His reply was "about 72 hours" (or something like that) - he was dead serious.
I think the Japanese have long thought about the day when China was strong enough to get revenge on Japan for WWII - and have planned accordingly.
25 posted on 09/17/2012 9:29:40 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: raccoonradio

Uninhabited but acc to Wiki.:
>>After it was discovered in 1968 that oil reserves might be found under the sea near the islands...


26 posted on 09/17/2012 9:32:01 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Strategerist

china still has thermonuclear weapons and can deliver them.

japan has none that we know of and also has no delivery
means even if it did. they would be depending on uncle sugar’s nuclear deterrent.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 9:35:22 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Strategerist

True, Japan’s Self Defense program is more than most people realize. But this is not your grandfather’s Japan. And I think their navy fleet is minimal in comparison to China (but I haven’t actually seen the comparison), not to mention the size of the armies. Plus, don’t forget that Japan has no nuclear weapons. Any military confrontation with China will require US involvement. And don’t think for a second that China doesn’t know it. This ongoing argument over those islands is just a way for China to see how much it can push the current WH until it pushes back, i.e. seeing if there really are no ‘red lines’ for Obamao.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 9:37:51 AM PDT by BMCinSC
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To: AmonAmarth
These islands are, literally, nothing more than rocks breaking the surface of the East China Sea.

Oh, they are a great deal more than that.

China has been landing civilians & infrastructure on many little islands for a thousand miles.
The strategy is then to defend them - which they are already doing in some cases - and then claim maritime exclusion areas around "their" territories.

They are not just a bunch of jerks landing willy nilly on a few rocks.

They are pursueing a cogent strategy here, and one with long term economic & military implications

29 posted on 09/17/2012 9:45:32 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: BMCinSC
"I think their navy fleet is minimal in comparison to China (but I haven’t actually seen the comparison)...."

Just did some quickie research comparison on Japanese Navy v. Red China - Chicoms have numbers (obviously) but would get thier heads handed to them by (much) superior Japanese equipment (and training).
Japan also has edge in aircraft (quality v. qty).

30 posted on 09/17/2012 9:53:02 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: AmonAmarth
"Panetta Warns of War Between China and Japan Over Disputed Islands"

AND, some how, some way, OBozo and his DC circus will make this to be 'Bush's Fault!'

31 posted on 09/17/2012 9:53:49 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: AmonAmarth

I would think that all those rich Chinese wouldn’t like to see a smoking hole where their factory once stood. Back to the fields, comrades!


32 posted on 09/17/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Strategerist

Sure it is if you put them on troop carriers and those carriers are sunk with a couple of torpedoes or laser guided bombs.

I’be been on some of the JDSFs ships - they are primo and the crews are sharp in all aspects of naval warfare. They can fight a ship with the same tech as our own every bit as well if not better. They are even better now from a technology perspective then when I was onboard.

(though I do admit to wargaming them and a number of my sisterships into a slaughter that my team and I devised and executed to perfection with a few phillipine ships - stealth, radio silence, and one poor patrol boat sacrifice 40* and 100nm away was the key ... ah the early 90s good times)


33 posted on 09/17/2012 10:07:24 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Hoodat
Panetta should be keeping quiet while our Secretary of State warns China of our intent to use any means necessary to support our ally

Got that half right.
Were I Panetta - or any one else in this administration for that matter - I would keep my mouth shut unless we want more Americans mobbed, raped, murdered, and dragged through the public streets without fear of any retribution whatsoever.

34 posted on 09/17/2012 10:10:31 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Strategerist
You are spot on here. The Japanese have a naval tradition, operate the second best navy in the Pacific, and have vastly more experience in naval operations than China. Also, the military tradition is making a return in Japan and things like military parades, recruiting, pride in the armed forces, etc., are once again out in the open where for decades they were in the shadows. My personal view is that the Chinese will get their heads handed to them in any naval conflict.
35 posted on 09/17/2012 10:11:01 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: AmonAmarth

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All over our Fatherland this morning there were irrepressible spontaneous demonstrations when workers marched out of factories and offices and paraded through the streets with banners voicing their gratitude to the Great Helmsman for the new, happy life which his wise leadership has bestowed upon us.’
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36 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:42 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Shadow44

Japan imports 90% of its oil. I’m sure any strategic reserves would be hit first and they would be hard pressed to continue air/sea operations for more than a couple of weeks. They would be easily blockaded and defeated without our intervention.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: AmonAmarth

The US is deemed weak and all our allies are going to be attacked. Obammy’s plan to bring “racist America” down is producing it’s desired outcome.


38 posted on 09/17/2012 11:18:07 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Shadow44; Strategerist
China’s naval buildup seems to be directed towards this exact scenario. Do they have numerical superiority yet?

Not where it counts. Most of the PLAN ships are small fast attack craft which would be sitting ducks in the open ocean.

In Fleet units the PLAN and the JMSDF have 10 ships of DDG size 6000tn+) or larger - But a Kongo is qualitatively better than a Type52C.
Smaller DD/FF ships the PLAN has 63 - two thirds light frigates less than 3000 tons, the JMSDF 38 - but 83% over 3000tons.

Under the waves the PLAN may have numerical superiority with 40 SSN/SSK (up to 10 steamers) to the JMSDF 18 SSK but as Strategerist pointed out, the JMSDF has been practising ASW for the last 50 years, One presumes they are fairly good at it by now,

39 posted on 09/17/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: GeronL

Cut defense spending.

October could be interesting indeed.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 1:05:39 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Strategerist

And they have nukes.

Of course, the Chicoms may have more, but nukes have deterrent capabilities.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 4:59:45 PM PDT by darth
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

I don’t think China’s oil supply is all that good either, that and fishing rights is why they want the islands and anything else they can lay their hands on... it’s why they’re in Africa and supporting Iran and Venezuela.


42 posted on 09/17/2012 5:10:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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