Where is the USMC non-Lethal Crowd Control System?

www.marines.mil ^ | 3/09/12 | Staff Sgt. Will Skelton, Headquarters Marine Corps

[Cliff Dweller]

New Marine Corps non-lethal weapon heats things up

MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. James F. Amos, invited senior members of the Marine Corps and members of the media to Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., for a demonstration and first-hand opportunity to feel the effects of the U.S. Department of Defense, Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate’s Active Denial System March 9, 2012.

The Active Denial System is an advanced non-lethal technology that projects a long range, man-sized beam of millimeter waves at a range of up to 1000 meters to counter personnel.

“The system is state of the art technology, it’s not widely known…a lot of perceptions and misconceptions about what the system is and what it isn’t. It is a millimeter wave system, it is not a microwave,” said Marine Col. Tracy Tafolla, Director of the US DoD Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate.

[Cliff Dweller]

I cannot believe this is not deployed and in use.

According to the last paragraph it was ready for deployment in March of this year, but No requests were received. I expect that might change if the Anti- American Protests continue in the Islamist Countries.

[DonaldC]

They are probably being held back to handle the election protests here. :(

[bill1952]

>I cannot believe this is not deployed and in use.

Maybe because you can lower the discharge with a water mist fan?
Maybe because humidity downgrades microwaves in the open air?
Might be okay in the ME, but it will be returned with lethal fire in no time flat.

[Cliff Dweller]

Not sure I agree with points one and two. Was trested at Quantico, a place not known for low humidity.

As for point three, lethal fire wasn’t employed (except in Libya), therefore, might not be applied elsewhere. At a minumum is puts doubt into the heads of the attackers - US Secret Heat Weapon - what is next?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

In light of the embassy attacks and murder of US citizens abroad, my question is far more simple than the headline;

Where is the USMC?

Or rather, where were they?

Did they have orders to do nothing or were they simply and conveniently stationed elsewhere on 9/11/12?

Forgive me if this is general knowledge. I've been on vacation in the woods for the past two weeks.

[Cliff Dweller]

USMC deployments are not my area of expertise, Apparently Ambassador’s trip to Benghazi was an “expedition” and intended to be of short duration. Marines at Embassies, not consulates. But Ambassador was travelling with Diplomatic Security detail (2 former SEALS).

Consulate was “thought to be Safe” that is a State Department and Regional Security Officer (RSO)determination... Why 9/11 didn’t figure into the mix, I’d like to see the answer on that.

Administration has since deployed (I believe) 3 USMC FAST (Fleet Anti-terrorist Support Teams) to Nations where they have been allowed... Sudan said no

Others....

[MrEdd]

Did they have orders to do nothing or were they simply and conveniently stationed elsewhere on 9/11/12? The Marines were denied live ammo courtesy of the diplomatic corps who are not poor victims but idiots who by making that decision brought about a situation where they could not be defended. This parallels Beirut in 1983 where troops in combat were denied LAWs (the shoulder fired anti-vehicle weapon of the day) at sentry points. The diplomatic corps has a long and disgusting history of making decisions that get a lot of people killed on the most tenuous lines of reasoning.

[Yo-Yo]

I thought this was a United States Air Force project?

[Cliff Dweller]

I believe it came out of Sandia National Lab project... regardless of Who’s project it is/was, why isn’t it in use?

[JimRed]

It is being readied to stop Tea Party Patriots in October and Novemeber.

[ltc8k6]

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120718-set-phasers-to-none

[Cliff Dweller]

Thanks for the link - good article - excerpts follow:

"But Franz Gayl, the Marine Corps science and technology advisor, says the real problem with deploying nonlethal weapons has been bureaucratic politics.

“I blame journalists,” says John Alexander, a retired Army colonel who once headed a nonlethal weapons program at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. “When this thing first came out, they called it the ‘pain ray,’ and ‘human cookery,’ that is just totally not true.”

[Talisker]

“I blame journalists,” says John Alexander, a retired Army colonel who once headed a nonlethal weapons program at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. “When this thing first came out, they called it the ‘pain ray,’ and ‘human cookery,’ that is just totally not true.”

LOL, "Totally not true" being a legal term of art that means "true."

The Navy is interested in this technology too. You think those are just radars? LOL!

[Einherjar]

What in the hell are my Marines doing with “nonlethal” weapons.

Wait till the Gunny hears about this sh@#.

[Jim Noble]

Where is the USMC non-Lethal Crowd Control System?

Where's the fuc**ing napalm?

[I cannot think of a name]

Sorry, but Ma Deuce works better and speaks louder, and has for nearly a 100 years.

[5th MEB]

Why the hell would any Marine be issued a non lethal weapon.
Marines were created to blow s##t up and KILL people.
That is why God created the Corps and that is what they should be used for.

[PapaBear3625]

When a mob is starting to come over the embassy wall, having a few of these focused on the walls might discourage them. Putting them behind bullet-resistant (but microwave-transparent) plastic would serve to both protect them from small arms counter-fire, and conceal exactly where they were.

It would be a good measure to disperse rioters without creating too many martyrs

[SuperLuminal]

"I cannot believe this is not deployed and in use. "

I cannot believe this is even considered for deployment and use by the Corps...

Crowd control is best accomplished through what the Corps mission was historically. Shoot them, bayonet them, and blow them up.

Screw this pussified crap that the Corps has been dragged down into over the past couple of decades..Let the doggies do that stuff...