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Boy Scouts helped alleged molesters cover tracks, files show
Los Angeles Times ^ | 09/17/2012 | Kim Christensen and Jason Felch

Posted on 09/17/2012 9:38:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

ver two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.

A Los Angeles Times review of 1,600 confidential files dating from 1970 to 1991 has found that Scouting officials frequently urged admitted offenders to quietly resign — and helped many cover their tracks.

Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.

The details are contained in the organization's confidential "perversion files," a blacklist of alleged molesters, that the Scouts have used internally since 1919. Scouts' lawyers around the country have been fighting in court to keep the files from public view.

As The Times reported in August, the blacklist often didn't work: Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.

In the majority of cases, the Scouts learned of alleged abuse after it had been reported to authorities. But in more than 500 instances, the Scouts learned about it from boys, parents, staff members or anonymous tips.

In about 400 of those cases — 80% — there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found.

In 1982, a Michigan Boy Scout camp director who learned of allegations of repeated abuse by a staff member told police he didn't promptly report them because his bosses wanted to protect the reputation of the Scouts and the accused staff member.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; childmolesters; coverup; homosexualagenda; overzealousmod; sexoffenders; stupidzot; zot
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So, with this news... does this mean gays should now become Scout Masters? /s
1 posted on 09/17/2012 9:38:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Evidently many already have.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 9:47:38 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Really never thought about it before but maybe “Boy Scouts” migh be an accurate term for the molesters...


3 posted on 09/17/2012 9:49:08 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

If they just changed their policy to allow this behavior, then everything would be ok.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 9:49:17 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, an obvious need for homosexual leadership is made evident here. . . /s


5 posted on 09/17/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope that we don’t get dozens of posters defending this.

Maybe people will publish post after post about school teachers.


6 posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:15 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how many of those molesters were gay? Just curious.
And,why now is this being “unearthed”? Really? If this has been going on since 1919,seems to me that those who seek to tear down the BSA would have been screaming this “hard evidence” from the rooftops.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 9:53:49 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan for dealing with his teeth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

More evidence of exactly how predatory these monsters behave. We literally have to stand guard and fight to protect our kids, even in seemingly safe harbors like the scouts and churchs.


8 posted on 09/17/2012 9:55:25 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: SeekAndFind

Quick! Get the FR Catholic Haters Club in here so that they can start hating the BSA too!


9 posted on 09/17/2012 10:01:50 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: SeekAndFind; stylecouncilor; windcliff

The LA Times rooting out predatory homosexual molesters? Seems an argument to me that the Boy Scout’s vetting process should be even stronger.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 10:04:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

The Scouts can’t win no matter what they do...they will be attacked.

Eagle Scout here.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 10:04:52 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: SeekAndFind

As bad as this is, and it’s horrible, school districts and the churches did the exact same things in the past. Get the offender to resign and give him/her a good rec for his/her next job out of town.

Saw it happen personally once. The guy (a teacher) ended up re-offending of course and finally spent 12 years in the state pen.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 10:06:02 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: trailhkr1

My son and bro-in-law are Eagle Scouts. Anyone who attacks the Scouts can kiss my ass. They did a lot of good in my life for my son.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

RE: finally spent 12 years in the state pen.

What happens when he comes out?


14 posted on 09/17/2012 10:07:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: catbertz
More evidence of exactly how predatory these monsters behave

We had a assistant Scout master who was not married, mid 30's,ex Navy guy who just left the troop out of the blue. He did not act gay, no feminine but I hate to say this he had that gay look to him. just the facial look..can't put my finger on it but you have all seen the look.

Couple years back at my HS reunion couple fellow Scouts talked about him and we all had our gut feeling about him.

15 posted on 09/17/2012 10:13:19 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: gimme1ibertee

“Wonder how many of those molesters were gay? “

All of them. The gays always say that a molester is not gay just because he picks boys. But i notice you dont see many molesters with a mix of male and female victims. Some accused of it seem to have molested girls. Others specialize in boys. But don’t dare pretend that it was same sex attraction.

A pedophile molesting boys is a homo. And some homos marry women to cover their tracks. Keeping gays out of Boy Scouts is the best thing they can ever do.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 10:16:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Notice the cleverness of structuring an argument

Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse

The key word is "suspected". The cases are those where there was only suspicion? Is it possible to assume that the boy scouts overreacted by causing forced resignations when their was no real evidence?

were allowed to leave,

they are volunteers and they are free to leave whenever they want for no reason. But it is written in a way that indicated the Boy Scouts should not have left them leave. How do you accuse someone of misconduct and avoid libel suits when there is only a suspicion?

17 posted on 09/17/2012 10:20:43 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

And what i’m hearing here, is that the Scouts escorted someone to the door as soon as they found out someone was sick like that. They probably couldn’t always prove it, but they tried. Maybe they werent perfect, but they never set a molester in with their boys, or transfered them around inside the organization to hide them as far as i can tell.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 10:21:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

“My son and bro-in-law are Eagle Scouts. Anyone who attacks the Scouts can kiss my ass. They did a lot of good in my life for my son.”

I don’t consider this story as an attack piece on the Scouts. It just gives more ammunition to the Boy Scout organization and conservatives not to admit openly homosexual men as leaders.

The Scouts are a great organization but if they have this kind of dirty laundry it does need to be dealt with.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 10:25:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

the list was probably an anachronistic approach from that 1919 era. Find a pervert in their midst, they expell them and keep a list so they can’t come back.

Though it seems hard to believe, there was a time when this was poorly understood, and very difficult to prosecute unless caught in the act.
This was an era when a pregnant girl might be sent away to have the baby. It’s just the way things were then. The BSA was doing what they thought was right, and were trying to keep homo/pedophiles out of their organization.

No scandal here.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 10:26:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Raycpa

Exactly. The press hates the Boy Scouts and tries to malign them and destroy them because they teach Universal Truth (God). (Right and Wrong according to Judeo-Christian Ethics which can’t exist with “homosexual rights” ).

The fact is you can NEVER trust homosexuals to manage a bunch of boys—ever. By their very definition, they desire sex with the same and sex is how they define themselves.

Homosexuals took over the boy scouts in Germany in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s which led to orgies in the woods and a National Vice of Homosexuality becoming the major activity of Germans. This national vice was dominate in forming the Weimar Republic—and creating all their vulgar “art” at the time. In fact, the SA Brownshirts and Hitler were homosexual and the abuse of the Hitler Youth was common.

All homosexual cultures use boys for sex. Pederasty becomes normal because it is a learned behavior—by being abused as children. Anyone who advocates for homosexual “Rights’ are advocating for the raping of boys.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 10:45:08 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: SeekAndFind

The boy scouts do no allow gay scout leaders in the same way that the Catholics do not allow gay priests but imagine the uproar if either orgainzation purged suspected homos. You would have cries of witch hunt, congressional hearings, and the whole nine yards as the queers are politically powerful.

Both organizations attract homosexuals because it puts them in proximity to young boys who see them as an authority figure. It appears that the the scouts made the same mistake as the Catholics of shuffling around the homosexuals that made it into the system as opposed to outing them and dealing with the fall out.

The proper way to treat the incidents of molestation is to put the pervert up for justice, settle the civil suit and issue statements to effect of “we try diligently to prevent homosexuals from infiltrating our ranks and this is why.”


22 posted on 09/17/2012 10:50:42 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: SeekAndFind
As the parent of three Eagle Scouts and as a person who has known a number of Scout leaders for many years plus a member who is in National Scout leadership - I can tell you that Scouting has done an excellent job at fighting the gay effort to convert Scouting into a gay courting ground. Between the training of the scoutmasters and the constant vigilance to keep gays out, Scouting has been successful.

In the 80s and 90s, BSA headquarters had a rash of break-ins aimed at stealing file information. The called it their 3-G problem. The fact that they allow for the worship of GOD, the GAYS want to be scout leaders, and GIRLS want to be boy scouts. So, they built a new headquarters which made it hard for the 3-G's to steal any info. The gays resorted to convincing a judge to force Scouting to hand over the files.

What do the files show? That Scouting has been vigilant at getting rid of any scoutmaster or leader they deem to be unsuitable. The BSA has no authority to put anyone in jail. The BSA wants to do its job and not get involved in court cases putting people in jail.

In about 400 of those cases — 80% — there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found.

The files show that they have had to contend with 600 perverts out of the many, many tens of thousands of scout leaders since 1919.

The ordinary scout leader is someone who gives up his extra time he could be doing other stuff in order to help form young men into men. Most scout leaders have sons of their own in the same scout troop. Boys who work as leaders within their troop usually go on to join the military and become leaders there. Scouting tends to squeeze out a boy's wimp factor. Scout leaders are serious about their work to mold young men. And they also work hard to keep the fairies out.

It is only natural that the BSA would be a target. Going to a Scouting campout is like stepping back in time, when a kid could enjoy camping with his buddies, enjoy the out of doors and learn to be a man. The goal of Scouting is to mold men into being real men and they are succeeding in their work.

23 posted on 09/17/2012 11:02:59 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems to me that this further bolsters the Scouts’ claim that they have the right to say who and who cannot be scouts and scout leaders.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 11:06:47 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: DesertRhino

This is another issue where Romney and Obama agree. They both believe that gays should be allowed to participate in Boy Scouts. In fact during the Salt Lake Olympics Romney refused to let the Boy Scouts participate as volunteer, he said it was because they were minors. When it was pointed out that other minors were allowed to participate he said they could volunteer but they could not wear their uniforms. This had never been done at other Olympics and has not been done sense. He did not want to offend the gays. He later bragged he would be better for gays than Ted Kennedy. His gay marriage and same sex adoptions have proven that true.


25 posted on 09/17/2012 11:09:04 AM PDT by brightright
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To: gimme1ibertee

“Wonder how many of those molesters were gay?”

One would think ALL of them. After all, they molested BOY scouts, right?


26 posted on 09/17/2012 11:10:07 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Setting up the BSA for destruction through litigation.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 11:28:55 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: SeekAndFind

This shameful past brought out in law suits, is exactly why they have zero tolerance, as an organization, for exposing boys to the care and authority of queers. There was a huge, nation-wide pedophilla ring operating in the scouts. The scouts offers great access to boys in their scout activities.

The Catholic church should be doing the same thing.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 11:48:31 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: trailhkr1; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; wisconsinconservative; ...
The Scouts can’t win no matter what they do...they will be attacked.

Scout ping

29 posted on 09/17/2012 11:54:31 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the Scouts have learned their lesson. I'm a merit badge counselor. I had to go through "touchy-feelie" training before they'd accept me. In every interaction I have with the boys, there must be at least one scout leader present(as a counselor I'm not considered a Scout leader). I think the Scouts are doing everything they can to protect the boys.
30 posted on 09/17/2012 11:59:06 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Any man molesting a boy is involved in gay sex - is gay. Even if he has a beard, he’s a homo if he is engaging in gay sexual behaviors with other males. Duh!


31 posted on 09/17/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind

They do not ban gays from the boy scouts, they ban open discussion and gay activities because it is NOT part of their program. I knew of a Dist Executive that was gay, he is still employed there, but NOT openly gay. All this mess over nothing at all. The gays want to dance around and say look at me, I am gay. THE BSA will not allow gayness as part of their curriculum and it is not discussed for the sake of the boys. Being a homosexual is not a merit badge so it is not to be discussed.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Raycpa

When a boy comes forward and says “Scoutmaster X sexually abused me” then Scoutmaster X is “suspected of abuse”.

The problem was that they didn’t report it to authorities but swept it under the rug and after numerous “suspicions” allowed the offender to resign in good standing with the Boy Scouts.

“Hey X was a former Scoutmaster, and left only for work related reasons - lets hire him as camp director for our summer camp for young boys.”

It was demented and sick - a Penn State atmosphere where such conduct was allowed to be ignored because nobody wanted to raise a stink.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 12:09:23 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: television is just wrong

I worked for a council, it was my job to do the criminal back ground checks. Laid off because of the economy.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 12:11:00 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I din’t mean the story was an attack on the Scouts. I meant people, almost always from the Left, who attack the Scouts as an Org for not, for instance allowing Gay leaders and Atheists in.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 12:20:10 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: SeekAndFind; stylecouncilor; windcliff; onedoug
The LA Times rooting out predatory homosexual molesters?

No. This is the beginning of what will be a wave of these stories. The Oregon State Supreme Court recently upheld a decision to require the BSA to turn over thousands of records going back decades on Scouting volunteers who were reported, or banned, from Scouting, including for non-sexual abuse.

Abuse occurs in all Scouting units with various types of sponsors. The case at issue, involving Scout Leader Timur Dykes, wasn't a Catholic unit as seemingly suggested above. It was an LDS unit in the Cascade Pacific Council where the bishop to whom Dykes confessed did not report the incident, and Dykes was subsequently allowed to serve in two additional positions.

The COJCOLDS settled out of court. The BSA and the Cascade Pacific Council did not. The jury found all three parties (BSA, CPC, and LDS) liable, and ordered the BSA to turn over the records.

36 posted on 09/17/2012 12:25:41 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: SeekAndFind

So now the BSA will have a reputation like that of the Catholic Church. And gay advocates will be able to point out that it is not gay scout leaders that needed to be kept out of the Scouts, but rather pedophiles, which they INSIST are two separate and contradictory things. The timing is telling, too. Of course suppression is wrong, but there is more to this story than meets the eye.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 1:13:17 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: SeekAndFind

“Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, “chronic brain dysfunction” and duties at a Shakespeare festival.”

“duties at Shakespeare festival.”?

Note to self: Stay far away from Shakespeare festivals!


38 posted on 09/17/2012 1:39:53 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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When a boy comes forward and says “Scoutmaster X sexualy abused me” then Scoutmaster X is “suspected of abuse”.

I would agree but do we have those details? In scouts, if you were left alone at camp site with the boys that would be a violation and subject a man to suspicion. As a merit badge counselor, I could not meet a boy in a room alone. If I did, I could be under suspicion.

39 posted on 09/17/2012 2:48:43 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

No doubt the Boy Scouts of America suspect someone of molestation for no reason at all!/s

Being alone with a boyscout would NOT be suspicious of child molestation back then - it only recently became the policy that they should never be alone with a boyscout. And if they were - it would be a violation of policy - not suspicion of molestation.

What do you think entails “suspicion” of sexual abuse of a boyscout?

And do you think they were correct in not reporting the suspicions to the authorities and instead keeping it in a secret file and allowing the suspicious molester to move on with a good record?


40 posted on 09/17/2012 2:56:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

The writer was successful in convincing you of a pattern of behavior that has not been proven. My children are more skeptical than that and can recognize when they are being manipulated toward a conclusion that is not fully supported with evidence.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 3:29:42 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: scottjewell; TheOldLady; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot; ...

Got the zot, eh?

If we belive that you are a NY metro journo, I bet it’s the Village Voice!


42 posted on 09/17/2012 4:29:48 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Raycpa
The evidence convinced me.

What in your world would constitute suspicious of sexual molestation?

Would you trust your aforementioned children with an organization that's policy was to act upon suspicions of child molestation by amicable separation with the suspected offender without report to legal authorities?

It was a Penn State type atmosphere - thank God they have cleaned up their act - but the evidence is clear - they acted upon suspicions of sexual molestation of children by giving the suspected offender an ‘out’ and did not, in the majority of cases, make any report to law enforcement.

43 posted on 09/17/2012 4:46:39 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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So long, scottjewell (Posting History)
Hat Tip to Melancholy and awesome Admin Moderator
Pro-perversion troll pops up over the radar and straight into a fiery blast by Admin



This is a Conservative site, pro-God, pro-guns, pro-decency



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

44 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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You had my mouse pointer posed over the abuse button so many times. Your obsession with homo activity was just too much to deal with for many FReepers. Good riddance to bad junk.

ZOT, and now:

for the main event!!


45 posted on 09/17/2012 5:50:12 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: TheOldLady

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-—OT!!!

BBQ! Some folks never learn!


46 posted on 09/17/2012 6:02:26 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos)
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Sizzling!


47 posted on 09/17/2012 6:21:05 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: scottjewell

If you can’t get the ZOT you want,
Then love the ZOT you’re with!

(sorry - inside joke)


48 posted on 09/18/2012 12:26:01 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (53%)
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To: TheOldLady

An ill-conceived zot. The guy was legit. He posted anti-homo agenda articles when other forum members had been badgered into silence. So much for social conservatism on this site.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 10:52:18 PM PDT by two134711 (I am Conservative, no longer a Republican.)
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To: two134711

You’re barking up the wrong tree. Please address your pleas for reinstatement of a banned FReeper to someone who can do something about it, and that would be the moderators.

Press the “Report Abuse” button on any post and make your case to the mods. I did not and cannot ban anyone, nor can I reinstate. I am not a mod and do not have any more sway with them than you do.


50 posted on 09/19/2012 4:32:21 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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