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U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was breathing when found in embassy
Toronto Star ^ | Sept. 17, 2012 | Maggie Michael

Posted on 09/17/2012 9:56:05 AM PDT by indpndtguy

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To: sam_paine

It’s shocking how gullible they think we are.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 10:19:51 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: indpndtguy
And we should believe this because....? Ass- sociated Press, Oh, Ok.
22 posted on 09/17/2012 10:19:57 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: indpndtguy

How are we going to find out the truth of this?.

Do we really believe that when terrorists ran through this safe house and found a dying American victim of their attack, they rushed to treat him kindly and preserve his life? That they yelled Allah Akbar (holy crap, the iPad auto corrected with caps! They don’t do that with G-d) at his signs of life, and took him to the HOSPITAL? There may be kindly Muslims in the town, but how would they be the first people walking into a terrorist attacked building??


23 posted on 09/17/2012 10:26:33 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: luv2ski
The video I saw yesterday does not agree with this account. It is clear that the protestors are anticipating the presentation of Stevens’ body and when it is in fact presented through a window they all cheer and take photos of it with their cell phones. The body is treated like a trophy (which I’m sure it was to them). It’s like the administration wants us to believe them and not our lying eyes...

If someone has the means and skills to grab the video and dub Hillary's lame explanation over it I think it would be very effective in puncturing the administration's lying spin on this event.

24 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:30 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: palmer

They do it all the time during, or shortly before, attacks. Do they think we are idiots?


25 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:54 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: indpndtguy
Maggie Michael / The Associated Press: "witnesses told the Associated Press on Monday"

Hmm, remember what Maggie wrote on Sept. 12?

BENGHAZI, Libya – "The U.S. dispatched an elite group of Marines to Tripoli on Wednesday after the mob attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. Officials were investigating whether the rampage was a backlash to an anti-Islamic video with ties to Coptic Christians or a plot to coincide with the anniversary of the 9-11 terror attacks.

The mob attack on Tuesday — the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strike in the U.S. — was initially presumed to have been a spontaneous act triggered by outrage over a movie called “Innocence of Muslims” that mocked Islam’s Prophet Muhammad that was produced in the U.S. and excerpted on YouTube. The amateurish video also drew protests in Cairo, where angry ultraconservatives climbed the U.S. Embassy’s walls, tore down an American flag and replaced it with an Islamic banner.

But a U.S. counterterrorism official said the Benghazi violence was “too co-ordinated or professional” to be spontaneous. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the incident publicly."


26 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:06 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NC, FL, VA, OH, NE1, IA = 272EV)
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To: indpndtguy

I wish we had a media that could be trusted to sort this out and get to the bottom of it.

I’ve seen very little of the videos. What I’ve seen and read described could possibly fit this narrative, to a point.

I think it is possible that some on our side could misinterpret some of what we see. I think it is likely the other side is playing fast and loose with the truth.

But there could be some of both. It is quite possible that some arabs friendly to the united states came into the embassy, found his body, were happy he was alive, and drove him to the hospital.

It is likely that protestors, seeing his body drug out a window, would cheer because he was a victim.

It is possible he was sodomozed while he was in the embassy, or it is possible that story is not true.

(Not an embassy, I know). But what is clear is that our sovereign territory was overrun by our enemies, and the administration had no idea where their own ambassador was for hours. This is a failure of the highest order.

To the degree we get into arguments over whether the body was mistreated or abused, or whether people were shouting for or against us, we are distracted from making the important points.

Romney tried to make that point on the first night, and the media went into full-attack mode to squelch it. We need to focus on the simple truths and not allow ourselves to be further taken off-message:

Obama has a polyanish world-view that was just shattered by reality, where everybody loves us now, and we don’t need to worry about “terrorists”.

Obama has been bragging about his “success” in killing Osama, and bragging about the terror threat being over, and this no doubt has encouraged our enemies to prove him wrong.

Obama failed to provide adequate security at our facilities throughout the muslim world, probably because of his failure to understand the empathy the muslim world has for our country and our freedoms.

Obama failed to protect our people, to the point where they LOST our ambassador for hours. If they had kept track of where he was, they would have known he was in that compound, and could have sent marines in to get him, and he probably would have gotten much better medical treatment and survived.

Frankly, that is the totally unreported story: Obama had NO IDEA where the ambassador was, so they didn’t know to go rescue him from this building. We now know he was not killed in the attack, and was instead slowly dying of damage from smoke inhalation. That is treatable in many cases; if we knew where he was, we could have saved him. Obama’s failure cost him his life.

Obama focused on the wrong things. Our Egyption embassy releasing an overblown denunciation of some crackpot youtube video was an excellent EXAMPLE of this, as was Hillary’s official US pronunciation against the same video. This is not government’s job. While they went after a you-tube video, people were dying. There were three attacks in Afghanistan, in addition to all the rioting at our embasssies.

And far from acknowleding failure, the adminstration bizarrely announced that the violence was NOT spilling over into Afghanistan, even while our main compound was breached, and another terrorist given free access to our inner workings turned on us and killed peopole.

This last thing is because of another Obama failure — the acceleration of the timetable for leaving Afghanistan, which forced them to stop doing adequate security screenings. SO now we have terrorist infiltrators given weapons and access, working side-by-side with our troops, and then killing them.

The media won’t report any of this. We don’t see daily body counts from the “lost war in Afghanistan”. We don’t see the list of real failures. We need to push it, which means not getting distracted by other less important things such as who was yelling what when our dying ambassador was left to fend for himself by this administration.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SE Mom

I wanted to believe the video is showing locals trying to help the Ambassador.

Now I clearly see in video that his belt is fastened. Later in picture his belt is undone. Our US Ambassador raped, I’m thinking no doubt.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 10:33:18 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: indpndtguy
Some of the men shout, “God is great.”

In Arabic, "Allahu Akbar."
29 posted on 09/17/2012 10:33:22 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: indpndtguy

Should be a caveat here.

That is the Toronto Red Star. A far left neo-marxist “news” paper.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 10:36:08 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: indpndtguy

I love a good fairy tale.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: indpndtguy

This just doesn’t compute. How much did Hussein & Hillary pay these guys to tell this improbable story?

Friendly bystanders just HAPPENED to be strolling by in the midst of a terrorist attack on the safe house, and the terrorists just happily stood by while they pulled him out and rescued him?

A likely story.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 10:40:50 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: luv2ski

The article says he was ‘carried’ through the window. I saw the video last night and he was PULLED BY HIS FEET out the window. He wasn’t ‘placed on the floor’, as in tenderly, gingerly... he was dropped on the GROUND. They were yelling with joy that he was dead, as in mission acccomplished, that’s what I saw any way. I didn’t see them pick him up, as to take him to a hospital, video ended with the celebratory yelling. I would imagine carrying him up in the air as they did was definitely as a trophy, not in a way to save his life and no doubt he was dead when they did that. Just sickening, his blood is ALL over Obama & Hillary’s hands.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 10:43:59 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: indpndtguy

The video I saw...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSnyOMRXos


34 posted on 09/17/2012 10:46:29 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: ColdOne
"Drove him.....OK so some other guy was being paraded through the streets. Yeah sure hhmmmm."

They took the scenic route.

35 posted on 09/17/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Cicero

the video I saw...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSnyOMRXos


36 posted on 09/17/2012 10:47:55 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

here’s the video, no carrying him through the streets shown in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSnyOMRXos


37 posted on 09/17/2012 10:49:17 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: HOYA97
"The narrative I heard this morning was the same as this story states regarding the “Allahu Akbar” chants when the Amb is pulled thru the window."

That's why Bambi and Biden had nothing scheduled for the weekend. They all had to sit down to get their lies straight, and put together their talking points.

38 posted on 09/17/2012 10:49:40 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: stylin19a

not in this video, it ends with the celebratory howling that he’s dead IMO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSnyOMRXos


39 posted on 09/17/2012 10:50:15 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

CharlesWayneCT~” Obama had NO IDEA where the ambassador was, so they didn’t know to go rescue him from this building. We now know he was not killed in the attack, and was instead slowly dying of damage from smoke inhalation. That is treatable in many cases; if we knew where he was, we could have saved him. Obama’s failure cost him his life.”

The crux of the situation is ..that Obama needed his sleep, and went to bed.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 10:53:57 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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