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Petition To Make Jewish Day of Atonement Yom Kippur A US National Holiday
Israel News Agency / Google News ^ | September 16, 2012 | Joel Leyden

Posted on 09/17/2012 2:20:54 PM PDT by IsraelBeach

Petition To Make Jewish Day of Atonement Yom Kippur A US National Holiday

By Joel Leyden
Israel News Agency

New York, New York --- September 16, 2012 ... Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, the most holy day in the Jewish religion is not recognized as a national holiday in the US. It is a day set aside around the world for all Jews to “afflict the soul,” to atone for the sins of the past year. But yet, the sacred holiday of Yom Kippur has not been accommodated with the respect that it deserves in the US.

We are hoping that an online petition located at www.YomKippur.us will gather support from both Jews and Christians, to reach thousands through the Internet, using social media channels such as Facebook and Twitter to request of Congress to make Yom Kippur a national holiday.

Yom Kippur is a complete Sabbath; no work can be performed on that day. It is well-known that you are supposed to refrain from eating and drinking (even water) on Yom Kippur. It is a complete, 25-hour fast beginning before sunset on the evening before Yom Kippur and ending after nightfall on the day of Yom Kippur. The Jewish Talmud also specifies additional restrictions that are less well-known: washing and bathing, anointing one's body (with cosmetics, deodorants, etc.), wearing leather shoes (Orthodox Jews routinely wear canvas sneakers under their dress clothes on Yom Kippur), and engaging in sexual relations are all prohibited on Yom Kippur.

In Israel, the small, vibrant democratic nation comes to a stand still. A complete freeze where cars, buses, trains and planes do not move. The only sounds are those of people praying and the children who take to the street on their bicycles. All is closed except for the Beit Knessets (Temples), the Israel Defense Forces and the police.

Most of the holiday, whether in Jerusalem, New York or LA is spent in the synagogue, in prayer. In Orthodox synagogues, services begin early in the morning (8 or 9 AM) and continue until about 3 PM. People then usually go home for an afternoon nap and return around 5 or 6 PM for the afternoon and evening services, which continue until nightfall. The services end at nightfall, with the blowing of the tekiah gedolah, a long blast on the shofar.

Yet, this holiest of holy days is not honored in the US while other religious holidays such as Christmas are. The Christmas Day holiday includes decorations, emphasis on family togetherness, and gift giving. Christmas was designated a federal holiday by Congress and President Ulysses S. Grant in 1870. Yet, Jesus, who is celebrated in Christmas was a Jew who observed Yom Kippur.

Other US national holidays are January 1, 2012 - New Year's Day, January 16, 2012 - Martin Luther King Day, February 20, 2012 - Presidents Day (also known as Washington's Birthday, May 28, 2012 - Memorial Day, July 4, 2012 - Independence Day, September 3, 2012 Labor Day, October 8, 2012 - Columbus Day, November 11, 2012 - Veterans' Day, November 22, 2012 - Thanksgiving Day, and December 25, 2012 - Christmas Day.

Yet one of the oldest and holiest holidays known to man is not honored - Yom Kippur.

Why?

It appears that there has never been a formal request made to Congress for Yom Kippur.

Perhaps those who wanted to sponsor Yom Kippur as a US National Holiday never thought that it would be approved by a Congress which is primarily made up of Christians, Protestants, Baptists and Catholics. But if one looks at the record of who actually supports the Jewish state of Israel - the Christians are among Israel's greatest allies.

Imagine a Christian or Protestant being in a Muslim country on Christmas Day? They would feel alone, isolated. No Christmas carols, no Christmas trees, no lights, no glass ornaments - decorations, no Santa Claus - nothing.
This is the isolation that most Jews feel on Yom Kippur in the US.

Many Jews are expected to be at work. Whether being an attorney, judge, electrician, student, salesman, teacher or baseball player. The US calendar which respects Christmas from Maine to Washington, and in several states Easter and Good Friday, totally ignores Yom Kippur.

The Israel News Agency is requesting that all Jewish organizations in the United States support an effort to make Yom Kippur a national holiday. It starts with the co-sponsoring of a petition which will be sent to every Jewish member of Congress to support and pass.

These members include: Senate - Michael Bennet (D-CO), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Benjamin Cardin (D-MD), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Carl Levin (D-MI), Bernard Sanders (I-VT), Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Ron Wyden (D-OR).

In the House - Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Shelley Berkley (D-NV), Howard Berman (D-CA), Eric Cantor (R-VA), David Cicilline (D-RI), Stephen Cohen (D-TN), Susan Davis (D-CA), Ted Deutch (D-FL), Eliot Engel (D-NY), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), Jane Harman (D-CA), Steve Israel (D-NY), Sander Levin (D-MI), Nita Lowey (D-NY), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Jared Polis (D-CO), Steve Rothman (D-NJ), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Adam Schiff (D-CA), Allyson Schwartz (D-PA), Brad Sherman (D-CA), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), Henry Waxman (D-CA), Anthony Weiner (D-NY) and John Yarmuth (D-KY).

Yom Kippur is the most important holiday of the Jewish year. As such, it should have the respect and recognition of and by the American people as a holiday observed and celebrated no less than Christmas and or Easter.

Please sign this petition and make Yom Kippur a US national holiday.

Also join our Facebook page for the latest information on this campaign.

Yom Kippur is considered one of the High Holidays. But yet in the US, it is not a holiday at all. Let's make it one!


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1 posted on 09/17/2012 2:20:59 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

Gonna have to change the Hebrew calendar so it always falls on a Monday, then.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 2:23:25 PM PDT by RetroSexual ("Between a strong horse and a weak horse, people will choose the strong horse." ~ Osama bin Laden)
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To: IsraelBeach

No thanks. Enough already.


3 posted on 09/17/2012 2:24:58 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: IsraelBeach

We have a better chance of making Ramadan a National US Holiday.

(At least while the muzzie in cheif is in the White Hut.)


4 posted on 09/17/2012 2:25:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: IsraelBeach

Hey if the 0bama regime stays in power it will never happen because, as a muzzie, he hates the Jews and no one will be working anyway, so everyday is a holiday.


5 posted on 09/17/2012 2:27:10 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This almost looks as if a back door tactic to get that very thing passed. It wouldn’t take thirty seconds before it would be demanded too!


6 posted on 09/17/2012 2:29:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama, our first Mulligan Pres__ent Resident.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Enough what?


7 posted on 09/17/2012 2:32:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: RetroSexual
Good point, but if Christmas can be fixed on a certain day of the week each year, so can Yom Kippur!
But, please, no Target, Walmart and Macy's sales! ;>
8 posted on 09/17/2012 2:33:14 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

Not a good idea.

Jews are less than 2% of the population, probably a smaller percentage than Mormons.

Jews are vastly influential for their numbers, of course, but it’s a bad idea to have every tiny minority demand that its holy days be recognized by the majority.


9 posted on 09/17/2012 2:34:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: IsraelBeach

And then comes Eid and Ramadan. Let’s just leave well enough alone.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 2:35:21 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: IsraelBeach
Other US national holidays are January 1, 2012 - New Year's Day, January 16, 2012 - Martin Luther King Day, February 20, 2012 - Presidents Day (also known as Washington's Birthday, May 28, 2012 - Memorial Day, July 4, 2012 - Independence Day, September 3, 2012 Labor Day, October 8, 2012 - Columbus Day, November 11, 2012 - Veterans' Day, November 22, 2012 - Thanksgiving Day, and December 25, 2012 - Christmas Day.

Christmas is the sole Christian religious holiday, as all the rest are more or less secular. Or at least non-specifically religious.

And Christians are upwards of 75% of Americans.

11 posted on 09/17/2012 2:37:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Don’t forget Kwanzaa!


12 posted on 09/17/2012 2:41:11 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Sherman Logan

July 24


13 posted on 09/17/2012 2:49:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a national day of repentance.

And we can start the repenting with Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Charles Schumer

In the House - Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Shelley Berkley (D-NV), Howard Berman (D-CA), David Cicilline (D-RI), Stephen Cohen (D-TN), Susan Davis (D-CA), Ted Deutch (D-FL), Eliot Engel (D-NY), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), Jane Harman (D-CA), Steve Israel (D-NY), Sander Levin (D-MI), Nita Lowey (D-NY), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Jared Polis (D-CO), Steve Rothman (D-NJ), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Adam Schiff (D-CA),


14 posted on 09/17/2012 2:56:00 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: IsraelBeach

It is a mitzvah to use your vacation day to.fast and pray.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 2:57:42 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: IsraelBeach; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; hosepipe
I have discussed Yom Kippur at length with my Jewish friends -- and none of them view it as an appropriate date for national celebration. It is far too serious. sacred, and deeply personal -- as are Good Friday or Maundy Thursday to Christians.

IMHO, none of the above are suitable subjects for nation-wide celebration: they are too religion-specific and far too sacred to be cheapened by being imposed on citizens with differing beliefs...

(Can you spell, "First Amendment"?)

16 posted on 09/17/2012 3:00:23 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Pioneer Day. Should be a National Holiday, obviously.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 3:19:04 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Also Christmas has become a worldwide holiday even in countries where few people are Christian.

Many of the present “Christmas” symbols have little or nothing to do with the birth of Christ as such: Santa Claus, Rudolph, Frosty, etc.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: IsraelBeach

I’ve got a lot of friends that are Jewish and I love the food but no. It’s not an American holiday, it’s got nothing to do with America as a whole.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 3:29:03 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: IsraelBeach

This is a stepping stone trying to get America put under the law. The keeping of Jewish feast days is part of the Sinaitic covenant God made with the Jews. Christians understand the feasts as prophetic signposts, “shadows of things to come,” and are not to be kept having been nailed to the cross. Col. 2:14, 16,17 lumps the feasts (holydays, KJV) in with keeping kosher, new moons, and the Sabbath.

Gal. 4:21-31 begins by saying, “Tell me, you that desire to be under the law,” and then gives an allegory comparing the old covenant keeping of the Sinaitic law - which would include keeping Yom Kippur - to children of Hagar the slave woman, and Christianity to children of the freewoman (Sarah). Judaism is a type of religious slavery, in other words, of which Christians have been set free.

Now comes the Yom Kippur push. I see it as a back door attempt to Judaize Christian America. I am 100% opposed to this new thing they want to impose on us. My highest authority is the Bible, and that includes the passages cited above. As a Christian, I am commanded to NOT keep the law. They Jews are only about 2$ of the population of America, they are under the law, and desire to be so, why are they now making a push to put the rest of us under the law?


20 posted on 09/17/2012 3:36:53 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: IsraelBeach

If they’d stop complaining about Christmas, I’d consider it.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 3:38:35 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: Sherman Logan

Pioneer Day. Should be a National Holiday, obviously.
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SL on the Jewish holiday: “it’s a bad idea to have every tiny minority demand that its holy days be recognized by the majority”

and yet you claim the Mormons who have less a percentage of the US population than the Jews should ???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Some religions are more speshall than others...

How about Moslem national holidays ???

In 2008 there were twice as many Moslems as Mormons in the US...


22 posted on 09/17/2012 3:39:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Some people are obviously irony-impaired.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 3:57:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
In 2008 there were twice as many Moslems as Mormons in the US...

At best a debatable assertion.

The CIA World Factbook lists both Jews and Mormons at 1.7% and Muslims at 0.7%.

Higher percentages for each of these groups are claimed by some, often by those with an axe to grind pro or con, but I see no particular reason to believe the CIA isn't reasonably close to the truth.

24 posted on 09/17/2012 4:08:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yeah

Im guessing you want to make Smithmas a national holiday too...


25 posted on 09/17/2012 4:09:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan

It was your boy Wee Willie who had the axe to grind in 2008

When he was asked about having a diverse cabinet he said he wouldnt be putting in any Moslems...

Now doesnt that sound patriotic and national security based..???

Yeah right...

He was asked why not...

Do you know what your bright boy said ???

“Oh there is not a high enough persentage of Moslems in the US to warrant having any of them in my cabinat...”

so I along with others checked on why he would have Mormons in his cabinet and not moslems...

In 2008 there were twice as many adult Moslems as there were Mormons...

amazing...


26 posted on 09/17/2012 4:22:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: IsraelBeach
Christmas isn't on a fixed day of the week. It falls on Dec 25 every year. That falls on different days of the week each year. Easter always falls on a Sunday, but it is the first Sunday after the full moon following the Spring equinox.

One of my co-workers is off today for Rosh Hashanah. He will take Yom Kippur off next week. My employer allows floating holidays for employees to take cultural, religious or personally significant (birthday, anniversary) off as paid time off. I take my wedding anniversary off in place of "President's Day". Most employees take the 2nd floating holiday as the day after Thanksgiving.

My wife has to work on Christmas most years. She is police/fire/EMS dispatcher. My sister is frequently required to work on Christmas too. Labor/delivery nurse. Babies arrive without consulting the calendar.

27 posted on 09/17/2012 4:25:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sasportas

——I see it as a back door attempt to Judaize Christian America——

Dude....oh’ never mind....

10 bucks says you are a Paulbot?


28 posted on 09/17/2012 4:32:07 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Tennessee Nana

There is no definitive census of Americans by religion, since the Census doesn’t ask this question.

Here’s my reference: Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%, Jewish 1.7%, Buddhist 0.7%, Muslim 0.6%, other or unspecified 2.5%, unaffiliated 12.1%, none 4% (2007 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Where’s yours?

Numbers are also significantly affected in many cases by definition. How active in their faith must a Mormon or Catholic or Jew or Muslim be to qualify?

Wee Willie who? And why is he mine, whoever he is?


29 posted on 09/17/2012 4:37:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: IsraelBeach

I’m in favor of it... I was born on Yom Kippur!


30 posted on 09/17/2012 5:08:09 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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A rather silly idea, national holidays are by definition secular.

31 posted on 09/17/2012 5:18:51 PM PDT by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: Popman

You owe me ten, while I can agree with the Libertarians and RP on Economic issues, absolutely not when it comes to moral, religious, and foreign policy issues. They are not conservatives, they are Liberal-tarians.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:49 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: IsraelBeach

If Yom Kippur becomes a national holiday we’ll have to do the same thing for the Muslims. Please remember what happened when Pandora opened the pretty box. Sometimes it’s best to let well enough alone.


33 posted on 09/17/2012 5:46:55 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: IsraelBeach

If Yom Kippur becomes a national holiday we’ll have to do the same thing for the Muslims. Please remember what happened when Pandora opened the pretty box. Sometimes it’s best to let well enough alone.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 5:46:58 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: IsraelBeach

If Yom Kippur becomes a national holiday we’ll have to do the same thing for the Muslims. Please remember what happened when Pandora opened the pretty box. Sometimes it’s best to let well enough alone.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 5:47:08 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: IsraelBeach

Sure, I’ll go vote for that, if they’ll vote Republican, the way they should.


36 posted on 09/17/2012 5:53:41 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: IsraelBeach

NO. For reasons too numerous to post. We are forbidden from proselytizing let alone imposing. Yom Kippur is our most important and Highest Holy Day and has been thus almost forever. It defines us in a way no other tradition ever did or ever will.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:17 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: rabidralph
If they’d stop complaining about Christmas, I’d consider it

I have many Jewish neighbors and friends. Never once have I heard any of them complain about Christmas. Today I wish them Happy New Year! on Christmas, they wish me a Merry Christmas.

38 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:49 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: Sherman Logan
First, I wish to thank my many Christian friends here for their kind responses.

I know that Jews in the US are a minority in numbers, but their substantial contributions to humanity, science, culture, security and medicine are too long to list.

If we transcend quantity in numbers and replace it with quality in numbers, let us vote to make Yom Kippur a US national holiday.

In regards to the fact that Yom Kippur is one of most sacred holidays in the world, and not be defined as a national holiday, I disagree. Making it a non-commercial holiday would provide and reinforce the importance of this day. Allow those who need time off for prayer.

Provide the student, the teacher, the policeman, the plumber, the salesperson and the factory worker one day off without being punished for it.

And if anyone can make this happen - it would be our Christian friends who stand with Israel day and night.
G-d bless you and your families.

39 posted on 09/17/2012 6:22:53 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: MestaMachine

MestaMachine in post 37 is against imposing this Jewish day on the rest of us, I see you are for it.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 7:15:27 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: IsraelBeach

Oops. I meant to post this to you not MestaMachine.

MestaMachine in post 37 is against imposing this Jewish day on the rest of us, I see you are for it.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 7:17:48 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Two Jews, three opinions! ;>


42 posted on 09/17/2012 7:25:43 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

Ha, I’ve heard that before, and probably true. Actually there are three Jews, the Apostle Paul, see my post 20.


43 posted on 09/17/2012 7:30:39 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: IsraelBeach
From a Jewish lawyer friend of mine:

Make Yom Kippur a National Holiday

The secular, practical reason for Christmas to be a national holiday for is that, if it were not, large numbers of people would be taking it off anyway.

The same justification has been offered and accepted by Courts for states that make Good Friday a state holiday (note: Hawaii offered only the afternoon off specifically so people could go to church, and the courts said that was too much entanglement with religion).

In many big cities across America, Yom Kippur is like this. I think that for good practical reasons, it is time to make Yom Kippur a federal holiday and a holiday in a good many states.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that courts often shut down, and many extensions/continuances have to be granted. Not just to avoid appearing in court, but to avoid having to file documents or meet other deadlines imposed by law. The general rule is that if a deadline falls on any weekend day or holiday, the litigant or lawyer has until the next business day to perform that act.

Why not Yom Kippur?

Why should ad hoc extensions have to be granted every year? At universities, there routine struggles between professors that want to give midterm exams on Yom Kippur and students who object. Private universities often have policies - why not state universities?

Also, Jewish people have to take off a personal day or a vacation day on one of the most sacred days in the Jewish calendar. They don't get time-and-a-half for working that day, if they aren't allowed to take it off. That seems unfair too.

I believe there is a difference between the government accomodating religion and endorsing or furthering religion. When a religious practice is significantly widespread as is the observance of Yom Kippur (I have gone to downtown LA from Santa Monica in 15 minutes at rush hour that day, so light is the traffic) in many areas, accomodation seems to make sense.

I believe this is a different discussion from whether state-sponsored Christmas or other religious (or quasi-religious) celebrations are appropriate. I'm not talking about having a national day of fasting or anything, or a big Torah Scroll on the grounds of the capitol or a gefilte fish hunt on the lawn of the White House.

When I was a kid in a suburb of Hartford, Connecticut, we had Yom Kippur as a school holiday. It just made sense. Otherwise, about 5%-10% of the schoolkids would have to make up lessons and everyone, including the teachers, would be inconvenienced. Given the regular occurence of snow days that invariably pushed the end of the school year back a few days, an extra planned holiday hardly mattered.

44 posted on 09/17/2012 7:48:00 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: Tennessee Nana
No doubt you are going to share the source for your "facts" with all us FReepers - right?

Right?


45 posted on 09/17/2012 7:56:23 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: IsraelBeach; sasportas

Yom Kippur has nothing, repeat, NOTHING to do with convenience. It has EVERYTHING to do with REVERANCE which automatically excludes it from becoming a so-called ‘secular’ holiday.
It isn’t a HOLIDAY. It is a HOLY DAY. If you find that too inconvenient, switch gears.


46 posted on 09/17/2012 8:09:39 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: MestaMachine
1. It's spelled: reverence

2. Christmas Day is a holy day.

3. So why not Yom Kippur?
Is Yom Kippur less than Christmas?

47 posted on 09/17/2012 8:45:59 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: sasportas

I’ll take Jewish Law over Sharia law any day. Sneak bacon on the side, who’ll notice?

;^)


48 posted on 09/17/2012 9:25:32 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Free speech is more important than Islam.")
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To: TXnMA

I’m with you on this. We don’t want to rob sacred holidays of their power.


49 posted on 09/17/2012 9:38:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: IsraelBeach

Thanks for the spelling lesson. Feel better now?
Yom Kippur is vastly different from Christmas...and it should STAY that way.
It was not created for your convenience. It’s nobody’s birthday. You are comparing apples and oranges and you darn well know it. It’s a rather sneaky gambit, but you already know that....
Nice try, but you aren’t going to get me to dis a Christian HOLY day which the secular commercial world has turned into a pagan sellathon. They’ve taken Christ out of Christmas. So you also want them to take Attone out of Attonement to make it more convenient for ya?


50 posted on 09/17/2012 10:24:52 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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