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Romney: Obama’s 47% of the electorate is dependent on government
Hotair ^ | 09/17/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 09/17/2012 4:47:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Via Mother Jones and Ace, watch this now if you haven't seen it elsewhere because political media will be having 20 heart attacks about it tomorrow and you'll want to be up to speed. This was recorded awhile back at a fundraiser, just like Obama's infamous "bitter/clinger" comments in 2008. Remember how big that blew up? That's how we ended up with President McCain.

The dirty little secret of most "controversial" political statements is that voters pay them little mind, especially when they’re preoccupied with bread-and-butter issues. The GOP spent three days in Tampa hammering Obama for the “you didn’t build that” line and a fat lot of good it did them in vaulting Romney past O in the polls. Then again, the GOP didn’t have a media megaphone like the one that’s going to be amplifying this for the rest of the week. The money quote:

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…

“And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49 … he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.”

Certainly, the Obama campaign’s never done anything to tout the sort of cradle-to-grave dependency that Romney describes here. I think David French’s recent post about the “bookends” that compose the modern liberal coalition is closer to the mark than Romney’s familiar makers-and-takers formulation here, but he was at a fundraiser and tossing red meat and I guess wanted it to be as red as possible. As for his claim that 47 percent pay no income tax, it’s true but carries lots of caveats. Ramesh Ponnuru wrote an insightful piece about last year; this new article from National Journal is worth reading too. Two political difficulties here. One: While some Obama supporters may not pay federal income tax, they still pay federal payroll tax and may well pay state and city taxes. They do contribute something to government. Two: A lot of pro-Republican working-class voters pay no income tax due to the Earned Income Tax Credit, and a lot of pro-Republican seniors pay no income tax because most or all of their income is Social Security. Not sure how either of those groups will react to Romney’s critique of O’s fans, but my hunch is that Ben Domenech’s right in believing that no one really thinks they’re part of the 47 percent. Everyone thinks they’re a “maker,” not a “taker,” due to whatever little tax they pay, so when Mitt lays into freeloaders, even people who pay no income tax think he’s talking about someone else. It’s sort of the flip side of senior citizens saying that America needs small government while telling politicians “Hands off my Medicare.” I doubt it’ll end up hurting Romney badly, but the media will do its level best. Buckle up!

That’s the first video. The second video is of Romney joking that he’d have a better chance at being elected if he was Latino, which is almost certainly true.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dependency; gaffes; obama; romney; romneygaffes; welfare

1 posted on 09/17/2012 4:48:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There was absolutely nothing factually inaccurage about Romneys statement. I say he needs to go out there and explain to the 100 percent of Americans that continuing down this road of entitlment and dependency will collapse the entire economy and those very people that are voting for Obama will lose the most because austerity hurts them more than any, segewey into the Greece crisis and its affect on the people. Thomas Sowell had a recent quote “The political mirage of something for nothing has ruined many a nation. Obama claims he can do all these things by raising taxes but that is a lie, the rich will not pay they will move their money, because they have the means to move it, hide it, or pass on costs to consumers, Obama supporters are living in a fantasy land, the real question in this debate is do you want a job or do you want other people to work so their taxes can support your lazy butt????


2 posted on 09/17/2012 4:52:53 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mother Jones!
Redder than Mammy’s petticoat!
Damn straight someone needs to point this out...
Play fair? Get the leeches who pay no fed income tax to pay THEIR fair share!
Be a dog with a bone, Mitts....


3 posted on 09/17/2012 4:53:15 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s right.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 4:53:15 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind


5 posted on 09/17/2012 4:53:28 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeekAndFind
political media will be having 20 heart attacks about it tomorrow and you'll want to be up to speed.

Oh, I guarantee you, the Left will try to make this The Next Big Thing, THE talking point for as long as they can sell it. They will try to make "victims" into the next "legitimate rape." I do not think they will succeed in making it stick, though.

6 posted on 09/17/2012 4:56:23 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Romney-Ryan 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a win for Romney. The people who see themselves as the 47% weren’t going to vote for anyone except O no matter what. The people Romney is after are the people who see themselves as the 53%. If he gets them its over.


7 posted on 09/17/2012 4:58:12 PM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem Romney is going to have with this is explaining what he’s going to do about it. Those of us picking up the tab for this entitlement society want to see the beginning of a reversal of this policy at the very least, while those cashing in want the assurance that it will continue.


8 posted on 09/17/2012 4:58:36 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: SeekAndFind

Who is this AllahPundit? Why is this person such an A Hole most of the time.


9 posted on 09/17/2012 5:01:23 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: marron

This should be a line-in-the-sand election. It may be, and we may not like it.


10 posted on 09/17/2012 5:08:41 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this.

Now that I have seen the entire quote in context, It is clear that CNN is trying to make it appear he said something he didn’t say.

Romney said that he wasn’t going to worry about getting the votes of that 47%. The media is going to try to spin it as he doesn’t care about them. But, that isn’t what he said.

He can turn this into an advantage if he doesn’t back off, and says that he wants the vote of the 53% that pay taxes, and isn’t going to pander to the other 47%. That’s a winning message.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 5:08:53 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: SeekAndFind

““There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…

“And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49 … he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.”

Do the libs really want to run with this? I’m not seeing the “OMG HOW DARE YOU” in this at all.

That is why Romney is killing with the independent vote. And this gives him a nice jolt with the right.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 5:10:18 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: SeekAndFind

A big portion, but hopefully the minority, of the American electorate will vote for someone who wants to take from me what I’ve worked for and earned. Why should I not think of many of these people as enemies who want to steal from me?


13 posted on 09/17/2012 5:13:36 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: VanDeKoik; SeekAndFind
Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.

This touches on something I've tried to say from time to time. Repubs habitually blab on about tax cuts as short hand for a real discussion about freedom and limited government. It doesn't really work. We need candidates who can actually articulate the whole moral argument about freedom because at this late stage of the republic hardly anyone younger than a certain age have every heard it. If we don't make the argument not only do we lose the argument but with our passing it will be written out of the history books altogether.

I'm glad Romney has made this point. He needs to take it further.

14 posted on 09/17/2012 5:16:51 PM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

15 posted on 09/17/2012 5:19:55 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: SeekAndFind

I simply refuse to believe that nearly 100% of those dependent on the government are 100% lockdown Obama voters. I know some of these people and they don’t believe their situation is permanent and Furthermore, they sure the hell won’t vote for Obama.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 5:20:04 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’ll be interesting to see how Romney tries to explain it all away tomorrow and say what he really meant was...because you know that’s whe he’s going to do.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 5:20:27 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama’s right then when he says, “You didn’t do that yourself”. At least, he is when he speaks to most of his voters.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 5:22:20 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

What CAN he do? He’s talking about people who don’t take care of their money, nor their health or resources. They despair, act like and feel like victims and have been enjoying the class warfare.

They hate Mitt. I find it refreshing to learn that he knows about them.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

21 posted on 09/17/2012 5:31:12 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: marron

Some people take this country for granted and they don’t consider how to take care of it. Not during an election. They are bought, their votes are bought. They will not understand basic economics from someone whom they hate in eight short weeks.

Why people who are on govt. dole are allowed to vote is probably a flaw in the system. Conflict of interest, just to start.


22 posted on 09/17/2012 5:35:01 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Delhi Rebels

Ooh, I cringe in anticipation.

Don’t back down Mitt, you are correct.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by stanne
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To: tatown

Very true. There are tons of people out there who, due to the flaccid economy, are downright ashamed that they pretty much had no choice but to accept some form of government assistance. They want to work, but there is just so little job creation.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:55 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: Slyfox
From the WEEKLY STANDARD

Over 100 Million Now Receiving Federal Welfare



So yes, you are correct, that's nearly one out of three...
25 posted on 09/17/2012 5:45:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: tatown

Obama’s lead over Romney among low income voters is only around 15%, and taking into account the low percentage of poor people that even do vote, clearly these are different slices of the 47%.


26 posted on 09/17/2012 5:51:07 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: SeekAndFind

I fail to see the inaccuracy of Romney’s remarks.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 6:05:45 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: o2bfree
you called it.

he is a dem troll pretending to be a conservative at that website.

he quotes the Daily Koz alum Nate Silver and usually is dead wrong about everything.

can not figure out why he is still around on that website.

28 posted on 09/17/2012 6:06:57 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: SeekAndFind

GO Mitt!


29 posted on 09/17/2012 6:13:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: tatown

What percentage does he think is reasonable. He has included the military, police officers, fire fighters, all government workers and, social security recipients. All painted with a broad brush of being lazy and irresponsible and Obama voters. I don’t think he meant it that way but that is why he has to clarify so many of his statements. Maybe if he had given some thought to a solution he could have been more effective.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 6:14:22 PM PDT by brightright
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course. Someone was sitting on this video, and the polls must be showing that the foreign policy disaster in the Middle East is starting to hurt Dear Leader, so out it comes. Nothing but 24/7 lapdog media coverage of this until the Muzzies stop burning our embassies and killing our diplomats, or until after the election.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 6:17:19 PM PDT by Ironfocus (O Must Go)
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To: EGPWS

Great cartoon


32 posted on 09/17/2012 6:19:55 PM PDT by muwarriors92
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To: SeekAndFind

The Makers [53%] will vote for Romney.

The Takers [47%] will vote for Obama.

So what are YOU? A Maker or a Taker?

Vote Accordingly...


33 posted on 09/17/2012 6:34:42 PM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those 47% bitterly clinging to their welfare checks and gubmint cheese will vote for the guy who accused those of bitterly clinging to their guns and religion of voting for Republicans.


34 posted on 09/17/2012 6:52:16 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for bringing this article and videos to our attention.

Romney has embraced the RINO Hydra of trying in vain to win over moderates. Independents, undecided and of he fence sitters.

Here is the main idea from the article that I base this on: “ - - - Asked why he wouldn’t go full-throttle and assail Obama as corrupt, Romney explained the internal thinking of his campaign and revealed that he and his aides, in response to focus-group studies conducted by his consultants, were hesitant to hammer the president too hard out of fear of alienating independents who voted for Obama in 2008 - - - . “

Key phrases are “his aides,” focus-group studies,” “his consultants,” and “fear of alienating independents.”

America needs a leader to get us back on the right Track, Romney.

Tick-Tock Romney: can you discard the above 4 groups that keep you tied with Obama? Tick-Tock.

Bookmarked.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 7:35:38 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Of all the stupidity! He got into trouble for saying something like this in the GOP Primary when he said he wasn't concerned about the poor which was what they ran with even though he meant because there's a safety net (a safety net not worth a hill of beans unless you tick the right boxes).

Did he learn nothing about the press then?


36 posted on 09/17/2012 8:27:29 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 50 days away.)
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