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Romney Talks Bluntly of Those Dependent on Government
NYT ^ | 9/17/12 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 09/17/2012 4:48:47 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

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To: gswilder
The liberal media will bash him non stop.

Is there something Mitt can say where the media will NOT bash him non-stop?

51 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:23 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: heye2monn

My father was forced onto Medicare. When he turned 65, his employer said they had no choice.

He was a WWII vet and had paid into SS for half-a-century, and when he retired he didn’t take any payouts until he reached 71. He died last month at 85.

Social Security was never meant to support illegal aliens or drug addicts considered disabled.


52 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:28 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Evil Slayer
He has to stay with this to win.

Push it even harder, the unemployed who want to work and build a future will get on board, the grifters will always grift.

More importantly is turn out. tell the lazy, they are lazy , they really will respond by sitting on their hands and they won't vote.

Scream about rugged individualism, tell people they can succeed and the gov't will only help by leaving them alone......that will move voters.

53 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:37 PM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: D-fendr

that was done when the left started the 99%- the 53% though represented those if us who pay federal income tax...

http://the53.tumblr.com/

http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/26/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_backlash/index.htm


54 posted on 09/17/2012 5:30:53 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: GR_Jr.

The country is going broke anyhow and why not go down on some principle. Eventually these 47% will rue the dayprobably in near future..


56 posted on 09/17/2012 5:31:00 PM PDT by scbison
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To: MeganC

I think that some of those “depending” on government realize it is because of obama whose attempts to redistribute wealth have put them in that situation.


57 posted on 09/17/2012 5:32:49 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Evil Slayer

I may not like Romney at all, but on some issues he is right. And on this, he is dead on. He’s not saying he does not WANT the vote of that 47%, but he is correct that there is no reason to expect any argument he can make to get these people to willingly give up their welfare... which is what you are getting when you either on direct welfare payments, or when you work buy pay no taxes. It means everyone else pays yours for you. Same thing.

Who is going to give up the free ride willingly? 1% at the most?


58 posted on 09/17/2012 5:33:00 PM PDT by Advil000
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To: greatvikingone
“The people who would be offended by this are voting for Obama.”

I agree. The question is will it drive a certain fraction of them who weren't going to vote to the polls.

Nevertheless, I gotta admit I agree with almost everything he's said here and he may be in the process of winning this skeptical conservative over. The correct reaction here is NOT to run from these statements, but back them up with facts and statistics. If he retreats, he loses.

59 posted on 09/17/2012 5:33:33 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Bigtigermike

that’s definitely not a backtrack....


60 posted on 09/17/2012 5:34:06 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: LaserJock

Reince preibus already did tonight on CNN


61 posted on 09/17/2012 5:35:40 PM PDT by scbison
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To: GR_Jr.

Dude, whatever.

That was no backtrack. You are just looking for something.


62 posted on 09/17/2012 5:36:33 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: All

doesn’t matter what the truth is, they will beat Romney over the head with this until the debates and try to get him saying something contrary to what he tells donors.

This sucks and will become an unnecessary distraction and I imagine the media will run with it, out of context of course and there will be ads running by Tuesday.


63 posted on 09/17/2012 5:40:32 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: gswilder

With all due respect, did you just get here or something?

The media will bash him no matter what as you have seen with Romney’s strong statement on Egypt.


64 posted on 09/17/2012 5:44:44 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: GR_Jr.

Jesus doesn’t deserve that kind of disrespect. Please don’t use his name as a cuss word.


65 posted on 09/17/2012 5:45:00 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: newnhdad
If we have gotten to the point that telling the provable truth is a defeat... then let's just get the war on now. If that is the case... America is beyond salvation by anything other than replenishing the Tree of Liberty.

LLS

66 posted on 09/17/2012 5:49:04 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Evil Slayer

He should offer to lift them up so their kids wont grow up with no hope for a better life.


67 posted on 09/17/2012 5:49:43 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: GR_Jr.

I disagree about the “independents”. I believe most of them are working people, and would tend to agree with Romney on this. They are just as tire of pulling the wagon as the rest of us.


68 posted on 09/17/2012 5:50:33 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: LibLieSlayer

Amend to that!!!!!


69 posted on 09/17/2012 5:50:44 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: Kakaze

Well said. I just went to the Romney web site and submitted a “suggestion”. I told them I commended Gov. Romney for his comments and not to back down or “walk it back”.


70 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:00 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: GR_Jr.

>>BANG!!!!!! Another shot in the foot. He goes from “cold and heartless” to “flip flopper” in 2 seconds.<<

If you’re not looking to be offended, you’ll see it’s a clarification. He was talking to those who will vote for him and that’s what the comeback was about.

Stick around a year or two and you’ll learn.


71 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: SatinDoll
Social Security was never meant to support illegal aliens or drug addicts considered disabled.

LBJ,Ted Kennedy and many others might disagree with you on that.

72 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:36 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Evil Slayer

I find this absolutely refreshing. I want MORE of this talk from Mitt. If the boot-licking media is already cheering a re-election may as well go for the throat.


73 posted on 09/17/2012 5:55:48 PM PDT by Txngal
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To: LibLieSlayer

The left have so twisted the debate that truth is the new pornography.


74 posted on 09/17/2012 5:56:54 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Evil Slayer
Thank you. Once again I just speak the truth.

LLS

75 posted on 09/17/2012 5:57:56 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: newnhdad
doesn’t matter what the truth is, they will beat Romney over the head with this until the debates and try to get him saying something contrary to what he tells donors. This sucks and will become an unnecessary distraction and I imagine the media will run with it, out of context of course and there will be ads running by Tuesday.

My fellow FReeper, I didn't worry what I said during my campaign because, in my heart, I knew I was right. The left and the media said I was a loser for stating the truth. Well....why don't you think about it. I won the election and I won with a pretty darn good mandate.


76 posted on 09/17/2012 5:59:32 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: gswilder; All

Funny I haven’t seen you post here till now..


77 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:20 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: newnhdad
This sucks and will become an unnecessary distraction

I strongly disagree. This isn't a distraction at all. This issue is the very essence of this election - the moochers versus the producers.

If he loses on this message, at least we will know for sure where we stand as a nation.

78 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: BlueStateRightist
The entire issue works best for Romney if some of the 47% actually believe they are part of the 53%.

A goodly part of that 47% are not in the group by choice. Romney can peel them off if he can explain how he's going to make it possible for them to rise up out of government dependency. It's a huge mistake simply to write them off.

79 posted on 09/17/2012 6:01:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: reefdiver

You know quite a few of the “producers” actually long to be part of the “moocher” class.


80 posted on 09/17/2012 6:05:05 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
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To: gswilder
The liberal media will bash him non stop.

And what would they be doing if he hadn't said it?

81 posted on 09/17/2012 6:05:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
A goodly part of that 47% are not in the group by choice.

Agreed...I know some folks with EBT cards, and they feel humiliated that they would have to take such a handout. They would prefer to earn their keep...do not lump them in with the moochers...

82 posted on 09/17/2012 6:07:11 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Evil Slayer
There's only one thing Romney needs to say if confronted about this:

It's true, and it's unsustainable.
83 posted on 09/17/2012 6:08:01 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: heye2monn
The biggest consumers of federal tax dollars are the people on Medicare and Social Security — Grandpa and Grandma. What they contributed as taxpayers is very small compared to what they are taking out.

They may be in the 47%, but the good news is that they don't feel like 47%-ers. They feel they earned their retirement. And they're pissed that Zero raided Medicare to finance his Obamacare boondoggle.

I predict Romney carries the cotton heads!

84 posted on 09/17/2012 6:10:16 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: newnhdad

Yes. I agree. If we read the words, we get it, but MAN...are they all over this in the media, message boards, Twitter etc. Romney did NOT need this.
Ughhh!!


85 posted on 09/17/2012 6:14:33 PM PDT by amutr22
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To: gswilder

I also agree Strongly with Mitt on this.
Yes, the media will use this against him. Well heck, if he mentions what toothpaste he uses they will find a way to use that against him also. Their in full attack mode now.

Some on disability are legit, some scams, among desperation due to economy.
If he can somehow redirect it back at the government failed them with policies that leave them disadvantaged due to
governments failure to provide a quality education for all this tax money vs Dog and pony show they put on.


86 posted on 09/17/2012 6:20:29 PM PDT by Morris70
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To: newnhdad
This sucks and will become an unnecessary distraction

It's hardly a distraction. It's the central issue of this election — takers vs makers. On it turns the question of whether we regain our former preeminence among nations or instead turn into Argentina. The more closely it's explored, the worse for Obama and the Democrats!

87 posted on 09/17/2012 6:26:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: SpaceBar

I swear that the left has painted evil as good and good as evil. Unlike a non believer... I KNOW how this all ends. I want to make America the best and strongest and most proserpous Nation to ever exist... again... and I will never agree that telling a lie or running from the truth is a winning strategy. Take away the truth and one becomes a democrat.

LLS


88 posted on 09/17/2012 6:27:57 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Evil Slayer

When you rob Peter to pay Paul and Paulette, you win the election.

It’s getting pretty close to that tipping point where more people will be on welfare/govt assistance than actually working and we might never win an election again....


89 posted on 09/17/2012 6:27:59 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: cynwoody

it won’t get explored, the words will be taken out of context and exploited. This is bad for the Romney brand and will force them to go off message to deal with this.


90 posted on 09/17/2012 6:28:51 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: heye2monn

Maybe. However, I’ve had money stolen from my paycheck from the government all my working life...how about you? They just have to give back what I didn’t give them permission to take in the first place, and I’ll be satisfied.


91 posted on 09/17/2012 6:29:55 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: SpaceBar

Amen!


92 posted on 09/17/2012 6:32:32 PM PDT by marygam (#Hurry November 2012, we might not make it#)
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To: All

I also wish he said this in a campaign speech and not in a private setting.

Love the NYT comments-LOLOL!

The way I took what he said was not that he didn’t care about people on gvt aid

he just said he didn’t care about winning them over because they wont vote for him anyway.


93 posted on 09/17/2012 6:43:06 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: Sarah Barracuda
its true because I see what those occupy protestors tell the media when they are being interviewed

Yes! This is true. Have you read The Coming Insurrection? It's written by a few French socialists --a sort of manifesto. They clearly state that they feel that the socialists have been given enough time to deliver Nirvana and that they are out of time. They plan on destroying the system and ending the concept of work.

This communist revolution is very different from communist revolutions in recent history. In previous revolutions, work and the worker was, at least, initially glorified.

94 posted on 09/17/2012 6:46:22 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Tamzee
When you rob Peter to pay Paul and Paulette, you win the election. It’s getting pretty close to that tipping point where more people will be on welfare/govt assistance than actually working and we might never win an election again....


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
95 posted on 09/17/2012 6:50:21 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: Evil Slayer
CONSERVATISM WINS LANDSLIDE VICTORIES.
96 posted on 09/17/2012 6:52:21 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: Evil Slayer

I think this “leak” might have been brilliant strategy on the part of Team Romney.

Let the Rats think they found a big secret and let THEM be the ones to broadcast the message far and wide. lol

Let THEM spent their millions to spread the message of Reagan.

Romney, you magnificent bastard!!!


97 posted on 09/17/2012 6:54:22 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: Evil Slayer

I love it!!! This is a rope-a-dope.

This wasn’t John F’n Kerry’s off-mike comment....this was Romney strolling up to a mic and speaking very loudly and openly to a room full of people. He is not a stupid man.

THIS IS MORE LIKE IT! The gloves are about to come off. Romney is IN IT TO WIN IT!!!!


98 posted on 09/17/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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99 posted on 09/17/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: Texas4ever

“Romney...should run with this.....ask yourself...how did this happen...how are your neighbors, co-workers...people that used to stand proud, carry the mail, make the cars, build the houses,start the businesses....now dependent on the Government....and Obama is proud? “

This is a great point. I know of a few families that have never taken any assistance in their lives previously, but have had to because of the Obama Economy. There is a portion of the 48% that are content being on government assistance forever. However, I know there are those who don’t want to be dependent and really want a decent paying job.


100 posted on 09/17/2012 7:08:01 PM PDT by chickpundit
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