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Disabled Homeowner Shoots and Kills Female Buglar(OK)
guns.com ^ | 17 September, 2012 | dabneybailey

Posted on 09/17/2012 7:07:29 PM PDT by marktwain

An Oklahoma gun owner shot and killed an intruder who broke into his home last Thursday. Yeah, yeah, we know – you’ve heard this story and stories just like it a thousand times before. This one’s a little bit different though, because this time the would-be thief was a woman.

The burglar in question was 50-year-old Mary Kathleen Sanders, but she also brought along two accomplices, 26-year-old Misty Dawn Puskaric and 37-year-old Starr Michelle Timmons. According to reports, Sanders had previously worked for the homeowner and therefore knew that he was disabled.

But just because somebody is disabled doesn’t mean that he can’t put up a fight -- especially when he's got a gun in his hand.

According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, the man was awaken by the three suspects as they burglarized his home. At some point between waking up and confronting the would-be robbers, he grabbed his gun. The homeowner shot and killed Sanders just outside of his home, prompting Puskaric and Timmons to flee the scene. The two women were later arrested by authorities and are being charged with first-degree burglary.

It isn’t very often that you hear about a group of women committing a crime against men. It’s kind of surprising considering the fact that they could probably get away with it more easily. Studies have shown that people automatically trust women more than men.

It’s difficult to imagine how social convention might affect a gun owner’s decision to pull (or not pull) the trigger. A popular societal rule is you’re not supposed to hit a girl, so perhaps some think that translates as you’re not supposed to shoot a girl either. Whoever made that rule probably didn’t have home invasions in mind, though.

It makes you wonder: what types of criminals would make you hesitate? You wouldn’t have to think twice about shooting a huge guy with a knife, but what if you walked downstairs at two in the morning to find a woman stealing your stuff? What if the robber is obviously a teenager? Would you still pull the trigger then?

The homeowner in this story was put in a tough situation. When you’re disabled or put at a major physical disadvantage, it’s probably safer to shoot your attacker and ask questions later. Things get a little bit fuzzier if the homeowner has a marked physical advantage over the intruder. In that case it might just be better to hold the criminal at gun point and wait for the authorities.

What do our readers think? Would the age or gender of a burglar affect whether or not you pull the trigger, or is “intruder” the only descriptor that matters when it comes to issues of self-defense?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; ok
In the dark, it can be difficult to tell outside of contact distance.
1 posted on 09/17/2012 7:07:39 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Who names their princess “Misty Dawn?”

Sounds like a stripper’s name.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 7:10:14 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain
Just use one of this to shoot her.

3 posted on 09/17/2012 7:10:16 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: marktwain

Seriously, buglars can be really annoying...

revele and all at 6 am.


4 posted on 09/17/2012 7:13:15 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Looking at the mug shots of the two survivors, you don’t want to go to that strip club.


5 posted on 09/17/2012 7:13:48 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
Looking at the mug shots of the two survivors, you don’t want to go to that strip club.

The drinks would be watered down, but the tips would be small.

6 posted on 09/17/2012 7:15:57 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain
but what if you walked downstairs at two in the morning...?

I'd be like "Whoa! I need to go home, where there aren't any stairs." ;)

Seriously, I'm equal opportunity. Without my glasses, everyone is Sasquatch at 3 meters away.

/johnny

7 posted on 09/17/2012 7:17:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

a buglar? is that like someone who bugles?

or is that a buglar, as in someone who cares for bugs?

:))


8 posted on 09/17/2012 7:18:13 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: USNBandit

Muskrat ugly!


9 posted on 09/17/2012 7:19:58 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: USNBandit
It's Oklahoma. 'Nuff said.

/johnny

10 posted on 09/17/2012 7:20:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

Since the older woman had previously worked for the homeowner, I suspect they parted in bad company, and the woman wanted revenge on him by stealing something of value.

Here are pictures of the other two women:

http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/around-oklahoma/Robbery-suspect-shot-killed-in-Harmon-County/-/12530084/16609106/-/8p4ed/-/index.html


11 posted on 09/17/2012 7:21:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Looks like crackheads to me. Meth probably figured into the equation somewhere. Oklahoma is full of meth labs.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 7:22:44 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Her mother Foggy Sunset probably called her that.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 7:22:44 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: marktwain
Disabled Homeowner Shoots and Kills Female Buglar(OK)

It's OK with me too.

14 posted on 09/17/2012 7:22:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Foggy Sunset...

Yeah, the sun was going down in the west, a misty dawn was rising in the east.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 7:24:59 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain

HA, ha! Check out the comments! Sweet little girl was sugar and spice and everythin-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM...Dead?!!!


16 posted on 09/17/2012 7:28:55 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Only a family of buglars will do that!


17 posted on 09/17/2012 7:30:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Tucker39

Doesn’t really matter. they’ll be munching carpet for a while.


18 posted on 09/17/2012 7:33:26 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a Hate Crime. I just Hope they don't like it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Buglars?” Where you thinking ‘burglars’ or “buggerers’ or “turd burglars” or carpet munchers or just what?

LOL


19 posted on 09/17/2012 7:35:53 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a Hate Crime. I just Hope they don't like it.)
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Curious about the stats on female crimes in light of these wonderful economic times.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 7:36:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: marktwain

“...but what if you walked downstairs at two in the morning to find a woman stealing your stuff? What if the robber is obviously a teenager? Would you still pull the trigger then?”

Hasta la vista, baby?


21 posted on 09/17/2012 7:37:58 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

I would feel bad killing anyone, second guess could I have done this or should I have done that. I know it is often the right thing to do in this situation, but I would definitely be traumatized.

It would make it worse if it were a younger teen, like 13/14, because I’d figure they either had been put up to it or else had no idea of the risk they were taking. A kid is a kid, and I’d think maybe he’d have straightened up after a while, and now had no chance to do so.

That doesn’t mean it’s wrong to do. I’m just saying it would make me very sad.


22 posted on 09/17/2012 8:04:33 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
looks like the one on the left could prolly clean up OK... but the one on the right, not
23 posted on 09/17/2012 8:07:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

A moose once bugled at my sister.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 8:25:27 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: marktwain
Studies have shown that people automatically trust women more than men.

Gosh, that wouldn't have anything to do with the constant anti-male propaganda that the Left has been putting out for decades, would it?
25 posted on 09/17/2012 8:42:15 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I know a couple of teenagers that go 6ft 2 and 250 lbs. I also have seen some hardened criminals hat barely go 5 ft. and 150 lbs. If they are committing a crime and I fear for my life, they are fair game.


26 posted on 09/17/2012 8:43:52 PM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: marktwain; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge

Two words: Castle Doctrine.

Two more words: Weapons Free!


27 posted on 09/17/2012 9:24:13 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I suspect more likely they are just run of the mill hard up scum.


28 posted on 09/17/2012 9:29:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: tumblindice
A moose once bugled at my sister.

There you did it... I gotta drag out the chupacabra story... I should save this on the hard disk so I don't have to type it every time, but it sometimes it gets better....

I was running a crew cutting pines for firewood at about 7K ft in northern New Mexico mountains, and we started early. Frijoles y kava was way before sunup. By military tactical twilight and before sunrise, we were on the mountain, cutting down trees, bucking logs, singing Monty Python songs...

A mist filled the hollow that we were working in, as it was early fall.

The elks were.... sexually frustrated....

Did I mention that my crew didn't speak a word of english?

We took a break to sharpen blades, gas up, etc... and in the distance... an elk, a lonely, horny elk, bugled...

I cocked my head to one side as if to listen better, nodded my head sagely, and said "Chupacabra".

We were scheduled to be off the mountain by 1500. We had all the wood cut and loaded by 1100.

Those guys never worked for me again.

/johnny

29 posted on 09/17/2012 9:42:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain
Would the age or gender of a burglar affect whether or not you pull the trigger, or is “intruder” the only descriptor that matters when it comes to issues of self-defense?

And while you're standing there thinking about it, the one you didn't see will knife you in the back.

30 posted on 09/17/2012 10:18:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Those guys never worked for me again.

I don’t often laugh....You and A&W Root Beer may owe me a replaacement laaptoup couympyutr,,,[`


31 posted on 09/18/2012 1:26:58 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You almost owed me a keyboard! LOL!

That story fits classic adventure fiction from the 30’s! (as a starting lead)

32 posted on 09/18/2012 6:02:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: JRandomFreeper

That reminds me of an interesting story about California Condors, who after a successful breeding program were released in the mountains of central California. Soon they were also in northwestern Arizona, and some made it down to Baja, Mexico. Some of the Condors have been sighted over 200 miles away in Colorado and Wyoming, though are believed to have returned home.

However, though not really under observation by the Condor program, northern Mexico has some mountains as well, and, after a few years, in Texas there were several, unconfirmed, of course, reports of “Pterodactyls”.

Adults have a 3m (9.8ft) wingspan.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 6:55:55 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: fr_freak

Actually, I think it has to do with a man being more dangerous than a woman.
We’re bigger, and we’re wired differently - violence is a more acceptable way to resolve an issue.


34 posted on 09/18/2012 7:06:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Since the older woman had previously worked for the homeowner, I suspect they parted in bad company, and the woman wanted revenge on him by stealing something of value.

More likely she was an addict, got fired, and thought her former employer would be an easy score.

35 posted on 09/18/2012 7:38:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: chainsaw
I know a couple of teenagers that go 6ft 2 and 250 lbs. I also have seen some hardened criminals hat barely go 5 ft. and 150 lbs. If they are committing a crime and I fear for my life, they are fair game.

One of the first things police officers are told in the academy is that a small person with a gun or knife will kill you just as dead as a big person. I have no doubt that they would have killed the guy if he hadn't opened fire first. The ex-employee couldn't take the chance of being recognized.

36 posted on 09/18/2012 7:42:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Little Ray
Actually, I think it has to do with a man being more dangerous than a woman.
We’re bigger, and we’re wired differently - violence is a more acceptable way to resolve an issue.


That would only explain why people would fear me more than women. Trust is a different thing. For example, in the old days, people used to trust cops, even though cops were usually big, tough, guys who were well armed. But they were the good guys. They had a good reputation. There is no reason that men in general would have a worse reputation than women except that the Left has been demonizing men for decades. Women are every bit as capable of stealing, lying, cheating, and even murdering (especially in the age of firearms) as men ever were. Why the greater trust in women? Only because of propaganda.

Also, women are just as prone, if not more so, to violence these days - they just suck at it.
37 posted on 09/18/2012 1:38:48 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak; Little Ray
Heh -that first line should read: "That would only explain why people would fear men more than women."

Freudian slip, I guess.
38 posted on 09/18/2012 1:43:04 PM PDT by fr_freak
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