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(Florida) Family Faces ($250 per day) Fines for Hosting Bible Study
Fox News ^ | September 17, 2012 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 09/18/2012 5:34:05 AM PDT by Zakeet

A Florida family is facing fines for hosting a weekly Bible study in their home – an act that city officials argue violates zoning codes.

Shane and Marlen Roessiger, of Venice, Fla. are facing a $250 per day fine for hosting Friday night prayer and Bible study gatherings that are attended by as many as 10 people.

“It is difficult to understand how it is illegal to have a prayer meeting on Friday night with a half dozen people but it is alright if I invited the same group on Monday evening to watch Monday night Football,” Roessiger said.

The Roessigers are also facing a fine for putting a small sign in their front yard that reads: “Need Prayer (941) 484-4915.”

“It’s a weekly Bible study,” said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s the same kind of Bible study that occurs in households across America.”

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Pam Johnson, a spokesperson for the city of Venice, sent a statement to Fox News defending their actions and noting that the cases against the Roessigers have been continued.

“The Code Enforcement Board has continued both cases, although Mr. Roessiger was found guilty a few months ago of zoning violation (as it relates to land use),” Johnson said. “It has not been determined at this time if the use violation has been abated. No determination of guilt has been made for the sign issue because the case is continued.”

Johnson confirmed that the two cases involve a code infraction regarding the use of a sign and a zoning infraction regarding using their home as a ‘house of worship.’

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Anti-Christian bigots are waging an unrelenting war against the Lord ... exactly as prophesied!

1 posted on 09/18/2012 5:34:11 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

It sounds like this zoning violation stems from a sign they posted on the property. They could have had the meetings without problem other-wise.


2 posted on 09/18/2012 5:43:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Zakeet

Wow. Words fail...


3 posted on 09/18/2012 5:50:57 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: sickoflibs

They would arrest everyone holding an Open House to sell their home then.
The reason is trumped up. But they should hold it in a Panera Bread store and make everyone else listen to their lesson like we do. I bet they let them go back to the house.


4 posted on 09/18/2012 5:53:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: sickoflibs
It sounds like this zoning violation stems from a sign they posted on the property.

Does the city ban other types of yard signs? Campaign signs, perhaps? I've seen those types of signs all over and can't imagine that anyone would be persecuted for putting one in their yard. In the USSR perhaps. Communist China, perhaps. But in the United States of America? I truly believe we're entering the end times. If not the biblical and times then the end times for this country.

5 posted on 09/18/2012 5:53:55 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: Zakeet

Indeed, words fail me. Had to come up with a new tagline for this.


6 posted on 09/18/2012 5:54:24 AM PDT by Marathoner (The founding fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Zakeet

That’s unbelievable! He’s probably a Father to boot. What an awful person to have as a Father.


7 posted on 09/18/2012 5:56:24 AM PDT by albie
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To: Zakeet
Zoning commissions are a new front of totalitarianism. They are over-regulating both businesses and private activity to death!
8 posted on 09/18/2012 5:56:51 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Zakeet

Just tell them it’s an obama fund raiser.


9 posted on 09/18/2012 6:21:19 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: Zakeet

Silly people thought there was such a thing as private property in this country.

Of course putting words on a placard on land they bought with their own sweat, is a crime. When you see the word “prayer” posted in public, it’s a responsible citizen’s duty to call 911.

And now it’s a crime to gather together in a private home to worship. Well, that’s what all those billions spent on drones is for...when you see a group of people walking into a house with Bibles in hand, it’s a sure sign of a criminal organization that has to be neutralized before it becomes a major threat to society... /s


10 posted on 09/18/2012 6:25:34 AM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: pgkdan; AppyPappy
RE :”,i>Does the city ban other types of yard signs?”

Probably any other public meeting signs in front of home residences.
What they do this for is they don't want a church opening in a public residence, or perhaps a school. They could remove the sign and meet in the-same place less formally. like the boy Scouts do.

If someone else is allowed to do this there with something other than a Christian church ,Lets say a mosque , then you have case in fact they could sue. . But I doubt they do.

11 posted on 09/18/2012 6:38:25 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Zakeet
“It is difficult to understand how it is illegal to have a prayer meeting on Friday night with a half dozen people but it is alright if I invited the same group on Monday evening to watch Monday night Football,” . . .

The answer is really quite simple. The ruling class doesn't feel threatened by football. But they do feel threatened by the Bible.

12 posted on 09/18/2012 6:46:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Zakeet
Scripture tells us that when Christ returns there will still be those that won't repent, and that's always confused me....until I saw that pic. His sign doesn't even make sense--if Jesus returns in his lifetime it would be a fulfillment of biblical scripture, yet he's saying that his heart is so full of hatred that he still wouldn't accept the truth. Prediction: this guy ends up becoming a Christian. I know plenty of people that started out railing against God that ended up becoming Christians cuz (a) when you have your mind set on God, good or bad, he'll talk back, and (b) God is more powerful than the greatest of putzes.
13 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Zakeet

http://inhimhealingtouchministry.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS6ddTowxWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjETCUOqMU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTxMPRAcVhw&feature=relmfu


14 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:32 AM PDT by procrustes
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To: Zakeet
1st amendment civil rights violation. Sue the city into bankruptcy.
15 posted on 09/18/2012 6:50:59 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: fella

in a sane world anyways


16 posted on 09/18/2012 6:52:15 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: sickoflibs

A Koran study would probably be allowed. A get-together of a dozen people should be not crime, no matter the book being studied.
I’ll admit that a sign marking a Bible Study is probably tacky, but no more so than a yard sale sign.


17 posted on 09/18/2012 6:57:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Zakeet

I’m not an overly irreligious person but I find that sign and the thought behind it, hideous.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 7:02:40 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Are you serious? Putting up a sign offering loving prayer, support & compassion to others is hideous?

You are cold.


19 posted on 09/18/2012 7:10:15 AM PDT by ne1410s ("We will not tolerate your intolerance!!!" ...huh?)
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To: Zakeet

http://www.hi5.com/profile.html?uid=5871659902

How else are Shane and Marlene supposed to finance their trips to Nicaragua?

Preaching, healing, “laying on of hands” right next to your house on a regular basis. Who wouldn’t be up for that?


20 posted on 09/18/2012 7:21:12 AM PDT by procrustes
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To: ne1410s

I think he meant the “kill Jesus” sign


21 posted on 09/18/2012 7:25:20 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: cport

oops - got it. I agree with that.
Thanks.


22 posted on 09/18/2012 7:30:04 AM PDT by ne1410s ("We will not tolerate your intolerance!!!" ...huh?)
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To: Zakeet
Oh, Oh, can I riot? Set fires? Scream and holler? Throw rocks. Attack an embassy?
23 posted on 09/18/2012 7:47:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ne1410s

Not that sign! The sign posted in this thread.


24 posted on 09/18/2012 8:21:33 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: cport
I think he meant the “kill Jesus” sign

Yep.

25 posted on 09/18/2012 8:22:43 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Obama A man without an American mission.)
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To: procrustes
How else are Shane and Marlene supposed to finance their trips to Nicaragua?

Preaching, healing, “laying on of hands” right next to your house on a regular basis. Who wouldn't’t be up for that?


Is it anyone’s business if neighbors go on mission trips to Nicaragua or practice healing in Christianity in their lives? No it's not. Neighbors may choose to ignore them (not associate with them) because they are Christians, but most people don't give a crap what others think of them when it comes to worship or not worshiping God. Fortunately, we have the right to associate with who we want to associate with.(Except for the gaystopo and atheists - everyone must celebrate and associate with the slut and butt action lifestyle and not speak of God. :))

The golden rule still applies in a constitutional Republic: Treat others the way you would want to be treated. Everybody. The freedom of association makes it easy to do. People take the inventory of faults within neighbors better than they analyze their own faults these days. It's the pattern of liberalism - upside down and weird to oppress politically incorrect others. It's killing our freedoms and good will for one another.

I can imagine a commie Dem neighbor having a conniption fit because I held a series of large meetings here to launch and organize and appoint leaders for a Tea Party group. Fortunately, I only have two liberal neighbors and they are not litigious (”activist”); nitpicking zoning issues. They don't have anyone in power to listen to their oppressive zoning law schemes. But they would if they could.

They host Democrap election “meet the candidate” meetings in their homes. I don't bother them even though I could dream up some offense if I lived like I was a communist or nazi (democrap). I'm, culturally, an American-American so I would not dream of using my power to harm their freedom. I would not want that done to them. Even though they are totally icky. :)

26 posted on 09/18/2012 10:39:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: sickoflibs

meet in the-same place less formally. like the boy Scouts do.”””

When I was growing up- Boy Scouts——Girl Scouts-—4 H——Future Farmers of America (FFA) -—even cheerleading squads met in private homes in numbers larger than 10 on a VERY regular basis.

I find it hard to even begin to understand where that AMERICA disappeared to.


27 posted on 09/18/2012 10:59:11 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
RE :”When I was growing up- Boy Scouts——Girl Scouts-—4 H——Future Farmers of America (FFA) -—even cheerleading squads met in private homes in numbers larger than 10 on a VERY regular basis

I was pointing out that Boy Scout meetings probably wouldn't have attracted attention unless you posted a permanent sign on your lawn “Boy Scout Troop XXX weekly Meeting here” with the day and time on it.

Another tip : get along with your neighbors so they dont complain about you.

I wonder what the parking situation is like there.

28 posted on 09/18/2012 11:09:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: ridesthemiles
RE :”I find it hard to even begin to understand where that AMERICA disappeared to.

Here :

1) Massive immigration from 3rd world nations by people who have no understanding of a free Republic and economy.

2) Big Mommy gubment saves the day

29 posted on 09/18/2012 11:18:41 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

Christians need to be good neighbors too.

This could go either way, depending.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 1:00:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Sucking up to your neighbors never hurts.


31 posted on 09/18/2012 1:07:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

As a general rule, I’d phrase it different, but you’re right.


32 posted on 09/18/2012 1:15:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne

” I wonder what the parking situation is like there. “

That might well be the problem, even though 10 people is not that many. They could either carpool, or shoot the neighbor for complaining. Carpooling is probably better.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 4:05:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; pgkdan; AppyPappy

>> “Probably any other public meeting signs in front of home residences.
What they do this for is they don’t want a church opening in a public residence, or perhaps a school. They could remove the sign and meet in the-same place less formally. like the boy Scouts do.” <<

.
Sicko, show us the invisible ink in the first amendment that excludes signs from its protection.

“the free exercise thereof”

Missed that clause, huh?


34 posted on 09/18/2012 4:20:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
RE :”Sicko, show us the invisible ink in the first amendment that excludes signs from its protection.

Wow scurvey, you would make a GREAT jailhouse lawyer. Try doing your daily business on your front lawn (as opposed to in pings to me) and see how far your legal theory gets you.

35 posted on 09/18/2012 7:46:17 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

IOW, you have nothing as all of us have already perceived.

You tyranny lovers, and Christ haters are getting to be a real drag.


36 posted on 09/18/2012 8:58:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
RE :”IOW, you have nothing as all of us have already perceived. You tyranny lovers, and Christ haters are getting to be a real drag.

Sounds like your Mom taught you that you are the center of the universe. I bet you cant imagine why you find your front lawn filled with dog poop every morning with that attitude.

Don't even try to turn the house next to me into your Mosque because I will be the first to call to complain.

37 posted on 09/18/2012 9:06:22 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

We have your number Sicko, no surprise that you are leading the charge against Christ, and our founding values.

It wouldn’t surprise me if you were the neighbor that is giving this guy the grief.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 9:21:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
RE :”We have your number Sicko, no surprise that you are leading the charge against Christ, and our founding values.

We?? You mean that gang of suckers who swore that you-know-who was running and would beat Obama in a landslide two months from now?
Most of them have the common sense to behave themselves after that that fiasco.

39 posted on 09/18/2012 9:30:12 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: editor-surveyor
RE :”We have your number

We?? You better look behind you coward because the friends you were counting on took off.

I bet as a kid (???) you used to start fights and get whipped then cry that you were getting your Mom to fight for you.

40 posted on 09/18/2012 9:44:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

Unlike you, I never started a fight in my life, but most of the turkeys that tried to start one with me seemed to become charter members of my fan club the next day.

You may wish to notice that yours is an extreme minority view on this thread. (you and the usual tyranny lovers)


41 posted on 09/19/2012 8:18:09 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

So supportive and/or healing prayer and the thoughts behind them are “hideous?”

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You need prayer!


42 posted on 09/19/2012 8:23:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Strike that comment, I see your response :o)


43 posted on 09/19/2012 8:27:30 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
RE :”You may wish to notice that yours is an extreme minority view on this thread

Really?? What are you polling the ‘we’ you referenced in last nights comments??? HA-HA

We have your number

....as all of us have already perceived

And all of them agree with YOU. .

I don't configure my mind to repeat Baa-Baa like one of a flock of sheep to fit in with one group or another,
Unlike someone on this thread, wink-wink, I am capable of original thought,.

44 posted on 09/19/2012 8:54:24 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

You’ve presented no evidence that you are capable of any thought.


45 posted on 09/19/2012 9:20:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; sickoflibs

To sickoflibs: “ Sicko, no surprise that you are leading the charge against Christ, and our founding values.”

Where do you get this from ?


46 posted on 09/19/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

” . They could remove the sign and meet in the-same place less formally. like the boy Scouts do.”

I guess this makes you an atheist : )


47 posted on 09/19/2012 10:02:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; editor-surveyor
RE :”To sickoflibs: “ Sicko, no surprise that you are leading the charge against Christ, and our founding values.”(survey)
.......
Where do you get this from ?(sjb)

LOL, stuff like this is pretty amusing......at least he didnt accuse me of being the anti-Christ, YET.

Dont forget, ‘They all’ know what he is talking about.. “They all’ agree that he is right. That is what is really important.

48 posted on 09/19/2012 12:11:33 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

From his comments Stephen.

From the positions that he is constantly taking on these threads.

Do you agree that having prayer meetings in your home is unreasonable behavior that justifies having your neighbor turn you in to the gestapo? I know you do not. There are only two posting on this thread that do.


49 posted on 09/19/2012 12:51:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Do you agree that having prayer meetings in your home is unreasonable behavior that justifies having your neighbor turn you in to the gestapo? I know you do not. There are only two posting on this thread that do.

The county zoning board Gestapo. HA

You try to buy the House next door to ME and turn it into your Mosque for your Islamic worship and I will make the phone call myself, so you best respect the law

50 posted on 09/19/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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