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Romney sticks by 'victims' comments, but calls them 'off the cuff'
Fox News ^ | 9-18-12

Posted on 09/18/2012 9:23:04 AM PDT by kingattax

Mitt Romney is sticking by his comments captured in a video at a fundraiser earlier this year in which he told donors that President Obama's base supporters are "reliant on government," don't pay taxes and "believe they are victims." The Republican presidential nominee assembled a brief and to-the-point press conference Monday night to address the tape, which had been posted online by liberal magazine Mother Jones.

Romney, while saying his phrasing was not ideal, stood by the premise of his remarks, which reportedly came from a fundraiser in Florida.

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Romney can seal the deal and win by standing strong and doubling down on this golden opportunity. Self-reliance vs govt reliance is a WINNING issue !
1 posted on 09/18/2012 9:23:08 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

>> Self-reliance vs govt reliance is a WINNING issue !

Absolutely.

He’d better hurry, though, before the 47% taker-to-payer ratio turns into 53%.


2 posted on 09/18/2012 9:25:35 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: kingattax

So, what would Ronald Reagan have done?

Appologize and say that the statement was taken out of context

- or -

Say, “Damn right, I said it, and I meant it”.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 9:26:59 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: kingattax

So this is what all the fuss is about. Good grief. Tempest in a tea cup.


4 posted on 09/18/2012 9:28:04 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: kingattax
Romney said that working people who did not make enough to pay federal income tax are lacking personal responsibility. That's not only a potential election loser, it is inaccurate and class warfare at its ugliest.

In a generation we've gone from Ronald Reagan to Thurston Howell.

5 posted on 09/18/2012 9:30:01 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Hodar

“It’s a message which I am going to carry and continue to carry, which is that the president’s approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn’t as attractive to them. Therefore I’m not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively as those in the middle.”

Sounds pretty strong to me.

I would add, to be perfect, “But we want to get ALL people off welfare and get them into the productive society.”


6 posted on 09/18/2012 9:30:44 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Hodar

unfortunately .... Myth is gutless ... even when he pretends to be “severely conservative” .... thanks, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Steyn (sp) ...


7 posted on 09/18/2012 9:33:01 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: kingattax

Romney isn’t going to get any votes from Obama’s loser’s anyway, he may as well tell it like it is.


8 posted on 09/18/2012 9:33:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: kingattax

It is hard to imagine the vacuum and bubble that would exist around a person during a campaign. I am sure the nitpicking media attack dogs and nervous advisors distort reality for any candidate who constantly has to worry about screwing up.

Romney was right in what he said and I pray he sticks with it. This is language that wins elections and draws clear lines between himself and Obama. Political correctness might win temporary favor from reporters and nods inside the beltway, but it won’t win elections.


9 posted on 09/18/2012 9:33:52 AM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids will pay for it!)
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To: kingattax

Somebody give him a spine of steel!


10 posted on 09/18/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by celmak (Good one!)
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To: Hodar

That’s one of Romney’s many problems. He has to stop qualifying, stop apologizing, stop making nice. He has to start hitting hard NOW, not wait for the debates. The opposition is cutthroat. If Romney doesn’t grow a pair, he will lose in November.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 9:35:43 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: LS
I would add, to be perfect, “But we want to get ALL people off welfare and get them into the productive society.”

He did say that, in so many words:

"My campaign is about helping people take more responsibility and becoming employed again, particularly those who don't have work," Romney said. "His whole campaign is based on getting people jobs again, putting people back to work. This is ultimately a question about direction for the country. Do you believe in a government-centered society that provides more and more benefits or do you believe instead in a free enterprise society where people are able to pursue their dreams?"

12 posted on 09/18/2012 9:36:41 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I guess barry is gilligan lol


13 posted on 09/18/2012 9:40:01 AM PDT by italianquaker ( 17 percent of the tea partiers support barry obama, the fox poll said so lol)
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To: kingattax

Romney is offending the shameless sadsack Obamites who have bled the till dry and still want more.


14 posted on 09/18/2012 9:40:43 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil-- A-merican)
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To: kingattax
Right.

The MSM is handing Mitt perfectly FREE campaign PR. Mitt has to play it for all it's worth.

All he has to do is reiterate ad infinitum the very words they find SO objectionable.

Mitt yanked the scab off THE Liberal running sore.... STAY RIGHT THERE and keep WORKING IT!!!!

The MSM can be counted on to broadcast it wholesale and at NO expense to Mitt's campaign!!!

15 posted on 09/18/2012 9:41:34 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: italianquaker

I’m not sure Gilligan deserves to be compared to Obama. To be fair, it was the skipper, not Gilligan who was responsible for the shipwreck. Biden is more like Gilligan.


16 posted on 09/18/2012 9:43:54 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: kingattax
When is this guy going to remove his reverse gear? If he is so intimidated by a gaggle of Marxist “journalists”, what kind of a President will he really make? How will he stand up to Putin, Hu, and Middle eastern wackos?
17 posted on 09/18/2012 9:45:30 AM PDT by Wehrwolf
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To: kingattax

Carney put out the big lie that Romney doesn’t recognize that he will be president for those who didn’t vote for him He didn’t say that and didn’t imply that. He simply said that he would not fret that as much as 47% of the electorate, that they don’t pay income tax, could not be persuaded to his side, and that they were beholden to Dems for goodies in exchange for their votes. All of this is true. He didn’t say or imply that he would ignore them or not be their president. Obama clearly is not a president of all the people but that would not be true of Romney. The Romney camp should be able refute this rubbish in a more convincing manner than I.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 9:45:59 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Sunshine Sister

It’s unknown to many people however, so actually the MSM telling the world that 47% don’t pay taxes can potentially be a good thing.

What Romney needs to do now is show that 47% how a better life awaits those who embrace conservatism, capitalism, and traditional values that lead to greater opportunity, freedom, and wealth.


19 posted on 09/18/2012 9:47:04 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Nervous Tick

LOL! The democrats are going nuts over his remarks on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%40mittromney


20 posted on 09/18/2012 9:48:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: justlurking

This is too awesome to observe.

This campaign is probably the best I’ve seen in my adult life.


21 posted on 09/18/2012 9:48:39 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: justlurking

Great. Now say it and say it and say it.


22 posted on 09/18/2012 9:53:09 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: kingattax

What Romney should now go after are the reasons why those on fixed incomes have to go on food stamps and other “benefits” such as energy assistance etc.

The price of food, the cost of energy,driven up by regulations and prohibitions designed to change the systems of distribution and use of resources to conform to a socialist ideal


23 posted on 09/18/2012 9:55:56 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: kingattax

However the “off the cuff” statement looks weak and like he’s looking for excuses.

Why can’t we just be strong and stop apologizing! Darn it!


24 posted on 09/18/2012 9:59:08 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos)
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To: kingattax

The root problem is the 47 percent includes retirees. The percentage romney should have been referring to is 47 percent minus whatever percent represents retirees. That’s the percentage of takers. Not all retirees are bums.

Never attack voters. Attack policies.


25 posted on 09/18/2012 9:59:55 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: luvbach1

How are the 47% who don’t pay taxes necessarily the 47% voting for Obama ? That is insane and nonsensical given a baseline that half the country, including most low income people, don’t vote at all. I am single with a very nice job making close to %50,000 and get both a federal and state refund. How does that make me lacking in personal responsibility ? It is a huge mistake to assume that Obama has a lockdown on “lower income” voters. Besides, Romney is (/was) only behind like 15% among the under $50,000 demographic.


26 posted on 09/18/2012 10:00:13 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: kingattax

The only thing wrong was the 47% figure. Had he said 30 or 40 there really is no issue.

Just jettison the percentage and say damn straight.


27 posted on 09/18/2012 10:00:51 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: kingattax
Romney can seal the deal and win by standing strong and doubling down on this golden opportunity. Self-reliance vs govt reliance is a WINNING issue

But knowing how things are in the New England states and Washington, we can expect both a big government bureaucracy that does little for the people and a people under the thumb of that big government bureaucracy who will have to rely on themselves for subsistence.

28 posted on 09/18/2012 10:02:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hodar
Say, “Damn right, I said it, and I meant it”.

- or -

"Damn right I said it. Prove me wrong!"


All Muslims may not be cowardly murdering terrorists but one thing is for sure,
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . all cowardly murdering terrorists are Muslim!

29 posted on 09/18/2012 10:25:58 AM PDT by Ron H. (Ahh, how's that multi-culturism thing working out for you these days?!)
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To: kingattax; xzins

Please, everyone, ROMNEY IS THE PROBLEM! Don’t vote for Romney, because he is not even incrementally better than 0bama!

(right?)


30 posted on 09/18/2012 10:29:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Venturer
Romney isn’t going to get any votes from Obama’s loser’s anyway, he may as well tell it like it is.

President Food Stamps the First and his coterie of helots

31 posted on 09/18/2012 10:30:14 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: kingattax

At least now Romney is separating himself from Obama so as to give a clear choice, before he was considered by many Conservative as Democratic-Lite, which may still be true to an extent, but at least now there is a clear difference between the two.


32 posted on 09/18/2012 10:31:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

All we need to do is to tax, starting from the first dollar, for those people to pay.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 10:32:48 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Romney said that working people who did not make enough to pay federal income tax are lacking personal responsibility. That's not only a potential election loser, it is inaccurate and class warfare at its ugliest.

That is a ludicrous misrepresentation of what he said.

34 posted on 09/18/2012 10:34:34 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: justlurking

Did he basically give a synopsis of “The Speech”...by Reagan?


35 posted on 09/18/2012 10:40:09 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: fatnotlazy
I would vote for Donald Duck in lieu of Obama but I am incensed that our Republican establishment pushed this candidate down our throats. Reminds me of the McCain campaign.

I hope I'm wrong, but unless he comes out swinging in the debates, we will have another 4 yrs. of the ONE. There is such a great case to be made on all levels and I just don't hear it from our candidate.....

36 posted on 09/18/2012 10:51:40 AM PDT by estrogen (sick of the racist rants from the left)
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To: kingattax

On self reliance issues, Romney is a hell of a lot more conservative than a lot of politicians. Yes, he’s a RINO on gay rights and flip flopped on abortion, but you can see in his policies and his personal life that he is not one to give handouts to the undeserving. If the ONLY thing he does is cut spending, that will be enough. We need someone who is willing to get the deadbeats off the federal teat. It sure as Hell wasn’t Compassionate Conservative Bush, who did get handed everything and thought government spending equaled compassion. Maybe if will be Romney. Comments like this give me hope.


37 posted on 09/18/2012 10:52:58 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: plain talk

Government shouldn’t be involved in retirement planning. Their SSI and medicare will go bankrupt soon. Already marxist Obama has added 6 trillion $ in debt which will ensure collapse of the United States and also shows all these gov handouts etc don’t work.

government should only do the military , border control, and keeping things out of the country. Government should only deal with international issues.That’s it. How have the gov schools worked out? terribly like everything government does.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 10:57:21 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Sunshine Sister
So this is what all the fuss is about. Good grief. Tempest in a tea cup.

you can see how pitiful their campaign is going when they react to a statement like that as if it was something horrible. They have absolutely nothing to run on and nothing against Romney. They are panicking.
39 posted on 09/18/2012 10:57:33 AM PDT by yorkiemom (Yorkie Moms 4 Ryan ; Romney + Ryan = Recovery)
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To: VRWCmember
"These are people who pay no income tax.”

“My job is not to worry about those people,” he said. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

40 posted on 09/18/2012 11:01:10 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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I am single with a very nice job making close to %50,000 and get both a federal and state refund. How does that make me lacking in personal responsibility ?

Getting a refund is not the same thing as not paying taxes unless your refund is larger than what you originally paid in.

I can understand that you don't want to be lumped in with the 47% - however, it is likely true that the majority of those taking from the system will be voting Democrat. Otherwise, the free handouts may not continue for them.
41 posted on 09/18/2012 11:08:48 AM PDT by yorkiemom (Yorkie Moms 4 Ryan ; Romney + Ryan = Recovery)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“My job is not to worry about those people,” he said. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Reagan never would have said that - he was relentlessly positive and believed in everyone ... which is why the "class warfare" charge never stuck to him.

42 posted on 09/18/2012 11:24:00 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: estrogen

If Obama wins, we will have more than another four years of him. He is laying the groundwork for establishing a dictatorship.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like Obama has any real competition.


43 posted on 09/18/2012 11:31:03 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: rurgan

Sorry social security has been around for a long time and no one will be getting rid of it. No one. Taking a social security check is not same thing as taking a welfare check because those people paid into it. Doesn’t matter. This is off the subject

This was the dem plan - to get romney on the defensive and get conservatives squabbling over nothing. All of this is a planned distraction away from the marxist and his failures.


44 posted on 09/18/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

This statement was totally opposite from Reagan’s positive message of opportunity for all. Reagan showed us how to win, but I’m afraid Romney has shown how conservatives lose.


45 posted on 09/18/2012 11:32:46 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

This statement was totally opposite from Reagan’s positive message of opportunity for all. Reagan showed us how to win, but I’m afraid Romney has shown how conservatives lose.


46 posted on 09/18/2012 11:32:46 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“My job is not to worry about those people,” he said. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Compare and contrast:

"Let us work to build a nation that is free of racism, full of opportunity, and determined to loosen the creative energies of every person of every race, of every station, to make a better life."
Ronald Reagan
Remarks in Denver, Colorado, at the Annual Convention of the NAACP, June 29, 1981

"How can we love our country and not love our countrymen; and loving them, reach out a hand when they fall, heal them when they’re sick, and provide opportunity to make them self-sufficient so they will be equal in fact and not just in theory?"
Ronald Reagan
Inaugural Address
West Front of the U.S. Capitol, January 20, 1981

47 posted on 09/18/2012 11:52:29 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: kingattax

I like that whenever something comes up, Romney calls a press conference and deals with it. IF the media wasn’t so biased, they’d actually start reporting about how Romney is open and up-front with the people through the media, while Obama won’t answer any questions.

But they won’t.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 12:00:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; kingattax
Your post #45.

Reagan showed us how to win, but I'm afraid Romney has shown how conservatives lose.

I agree, that in this day and age when the so-called gaffe can absolutely derail ANY public figure, the Governor has made one. If persons were to step back and think it through, they could perhaps not be stampeded by the corrupt media.

Too bad Mitt Romney does not seem to have any working class adviser's, or if he does, they did not educate him. He could have separated the actual figures and called it say 20 percent free loaders. These people chuckle and laugh as they party on. They think the lower paid working class are fools and dupes. What may be not understood is the absolute inertia and slough that seeps in, when there is NO obligation to society.

To then finally drag one`s self to get out there and do it for a low income, is what keeps many from becoming at least self supporting.

Excuse the ramble, but I do know where it is at, being working class myself and in 40 odd years of working, had collectively two years on unemployment.

49 posted on 09/18/2012 12:04:11 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: All

The trolls are out in force.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 12:08:04 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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