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Elections 2012: Where Have the Conservatives & Evangelicals Gone?
The Right Sphere ^ | 09/18/2012 | Tom Dougherty

Posted on 09/18/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In an article Monday, Are Conservatives Abandoning Romney, I cited some data gleaned from multiple polls conducted within the last week that demonstrated waning support for Governor Romney from conservatives and evangelicals.

While the article was factual (see notes below about how I analyze polls) and was intended to educate readers who are Romney supporters of an alarming trend, it apparently raised a bit of a ruckus. Many readers observed the numbers were inaccurate, out of context, invalid because they failed to account for numerous factors like past voting analyses, and several even called me a Democratic shill.

Nothing could be further from the truth on any of those accounts. I am an ardent supporter of Governor Romney but I am also a political analyst and commentator, and a realist. In politicking the worst thing you can do is fail to address a challenge head-on and this is a challenge for the Romney campaign.

Not that I consider either of these to be authoritative but two articles appeared yesterday referencing a possible change in strategy within the Romney campaign and both, at varying levels, speak to the problem I espoused Monday. Politico published Inside the campaign: How Mitt Romney stumbled and BuzzFeed released Romney’s New Strategy Turns Right. I’ll make no comment on either here since it is up to the campaign to decide their course of action.

Though today I’m going to delve a bit deeper into the discourse in Are Conservatives Abandoning Romney because further research clearly shows that conservatives and evangelicals are not supporting Romney at levels they supported his two immediate predecessors, John McCain and George W. Bush.

Looking at the same numbers from current polling when compared to McCain in 2008 and Bush in 2004, it’s no longer a question, it is fact that conservatives and evangelicals are not turning out for Romney.

As before, this chart includes the swing states of Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio and Virginia.

The Romney 2012 numbers are obtained from a group of polls of likely voters conducted by pollsters with both conservative and liberal biases, and then demographically adjusted to remove/reduce party bias. The McCain 2008 and Bush 2004 numbers are derived from averaging the results of a collection of exit polls performed in 2004 and 2008 of actual voters. Here again the pollsters represent a range of conservative to liberal biases, and I do not accept at face value any exit poll but they were all remarkably close and are relevant to looking at the very apparent trends.

Notwithstanding the linear drop in support from self-described moderates, which has occurred at virtually every level of campaigning – national, state and local, and focusing on the Conservatives and Evangelicals, we see:

Romney currently has just 0.5% more support from Conservatives than McCain received in 2008
Romney currently has 7.1% less support from Conservatives than Bush received in 2004
Romney currently has 10.4% less support from Evangelicals than McCain received in 2008
Romney currently has 25.0% less support from Evangelicals than Bush received in 2004

Even conceding a couple points since the margin of error is greater for exit polling than phone polling of likely voters the trends do not lie or obfuscate the reality that Governor Romney is not getting the support he should from conservatives and evangelicals. Furthermore, the difference in support is so great that an increase of half of the current deficiencies would have Romney holding a comfortable lead over Obama.

I will not draw a conclusion about why and will leave that to individual readers but what is clear is it is not the undecideds or persuadables that could cost Romney the election, it’s conservatives and evangelicals.

AUTHOR’S NOTE: Analyzing polling numbers is always subject to individual poll bias, registered vs. likely voters, polling methodologies such as online, robo-calls to landlines, mobile survey apps to cellphones and a plethora of other factors.

Before I use any poll in an analysis I adjust the poll using algorithms of my own that compensate for these factors and establish a baseline so every poll is considered in the same context, or as close as is reasonably possible. Also I rarely quote individual polls rather groups of polls as a weighted average.

Finally, it is true the ultimate poll occurs on Election Day but there is not a campaign in the country that does not rely on polling, both internal and public, to gauge where they are at a given time and what they should do to address the challenges and shortcomings the results dictate. That is professional politicking.



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1 posted on 09/18/2012 10:32:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Where Have the Conservatives & Evangelicals Gone?

They were told they weren't wanted or needed by the GOP, so we went elsewhere.

/johnny

2 posted on 09/18/2012 10:35:19 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

RE: so we went elsewhere.

And let Obama cruise... yes, that’s very smart.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 10:37:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

i have a feeling based on the videos of the past 24hrs many of them will be returning...


4 posted on 09/18/2012 10:39:14 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who votes according to the polls is an abject idiot, especially when the polls are instruments of propaganda.


5 posted on 09/18/2012 10:39:25 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SeekAndFind
Elections 2012: Where Have the Conservatives & Evangelicals Gone?

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Here's a clue....

(Thanks Republican Party!) (/s)

6 posted on 09/18/2012 10:40:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just hanging out quietly biding our time until Election Day.

We really don’t need any of those Obama Brownshirts coming around to “get in our faces”.


7 posted on 09/18/2012 10:41:35 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

They’re letting “perfect be the enemy of good”

Since Romney doesn’t meet their exhalted standards for conservatism, they’ll stay at home rather than violate their “principles”, in essence passive aggressively voting for much worse: Obama.


8 posted on 09/18/2012 10:43:07 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t Romney have any responsibility to win this election, or it’s everybody else’s fault. As a candidate, Romney is in the 47% who expects candidate welfare. And you agree, he doesn’t have any responsibility to work for his own victory. That’s an interesting theory- but let’s see how it works. Besides, it seems like Romney would like to lose pure, than win by evil conservatives voting for him. How will he ever get rid of conservative cooties if they vote for him?


9 posted on 09/18/2012 10:46:02 AM PDT by nickcarraway (Romney - the EBT candidate)
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To: doc11355
If the GOP wants my vote, they need to run a candidate that has a proven track record (ignore what they say, watch what they do) of being: Pro-life, pro gun, against socialized medicine, and actually reducing the size of government.

That's my exalted standards.

/johnny

10 posted on 09/18/2012 10:47:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: doc11355

Isn’t Romney saying the same thing? He doesn’t want to be tainted by vile, uneducated conservatives? He doesn’t want to reach across the aisle and sully himself.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 10:48:13 AM PDT by nickcarraway (Romney - the EBT candidate)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are too busy buying canned food and stockpilling brass and lead....


12 posted on 09/18/2012 10:48:28 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

That is an excellent graph. And it underscores the fact that Evangelicals won the election for Bush in 2000 and 2004. No other demographic group was anywhere near instrumental in defeating Gore and Kerry as Christians.

What happened in 2008? What is happening now? Easy: Evangelicals were kicked to the curb. Us values voters were and are ignored.

But just don’t blames us when Obama is re-elected. Blame the GOP-e.


13 posted on 09/18/2012 10:48:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
While most conservatives and Evcangelical Christians are actually supporting Romney there are some who are so self righteous and sanctimonious that they refuse to support any one who's not as ideologically pure as themselves.

They're not convinced that Romney's sufficiently pro-life so they withold their support in order that the most radically pro abortion president ever gets re-elected.

Theyre not convinced that Romney is sufficiently conservative so they'll sit by and allow the re-election of the most radically liberal and anti-American President ever.

They're upset that Romney's a Mormon and not a Christian so they'll sit by and allow the re-election of a muslim who's aligned and allied with radical muslims who openly call for the destruction of this country.

14 posted on 09/18/2012 10:48:56 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well said.


15 posted on 09/18/2012 10:49:02 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SeekAndFind

waning support for Governor Romney from conservatives and evangelicals.
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conservatives and Christians dont support him much either...


16 posted on 09/18/2012 10:52:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP-e needs to remember the standard game plan of needing to attract voters on the fence has a second key element: getting the core of the base to come out and vote.

Otherwise they can find themselves gaining, for example, 0.5% in the middle, but losing 0.5% in turnout from the right.

The home runs are hit when the party preaches enough that people in the middle actually experience a change of heart.


17 posted on 09/18/2012 10:52:23 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Be so snide as you like. the reality is that when “your” candidate disowns you, your enthusiasm wanes at the very least. Those shunned voters will not feel sufficient excitement to get them to the polls in the numbers that Romney needs. It seems stupid for the candidate to give the finger to his base support but if Romney is from he standard Republican mold then he is not, in fact, running for the Presidency. He reached the perceived Republican Elite pinnacle when he won the nomination. Further campaigning is just sufficient to keep from ruining his reputation, even in the press and among his “peers,” by taking an obvious dive. He is being more subtle. It’s finesse.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 10:53:58 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: JRandomFreeper; doc11355
Boy, J, you do have unrealistic standards! You are asking for the moon. I was just thinking: 1: a candidate who can pretend he doesn't hate conservatives, 2: a candidate who will throw us a bone on one tiny issue that was entirely popular in 2010- namely socialized healthcare.

If Romney would come out and say Romneycare was a mistake would be enough. But he doesn't even care enough to lie and say Romneycare is a mistake. He won't even put any skin in the game. If he can even muster enough to lie on one thing and pretend he's with us. Wow.

19 posted on 09/18/2012 10:54:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway (Romney - the EBT candidate)
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To: pgkdan
It's the GOP's election to lose. No-one owes them a vote.

/johnny

20 posted on 09/18/2012 10:55:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

As an evangelical myself, I can tell you that I know God is the one who puts people in places of power/authority. Our vote is inconsequential in light of God’s will.

We have a REPRESENTATIVE republic. If you continue to vote for someone because “he’s not as bad as the other guy” you will never be truly represented. Support the candidate that shares your values!


21 posted on 09/18/2012 10:55:33 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: SeekAndFind

Purely anecdotally, I am afraid they are going Libertarian.

Voting for a Mormon is just not sitting well, according to some friends at church and some strong Christians I know not part of my church, including some extended family.

I think R. Paul is an absolute disaster, but they believe he is a Christian. So, they support him.

I have tried to talk some out of it but don’t think I am making much headway.


22 posted on 09/18/2012 10:57:27 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: libdestroyer

RE: If you continue to vote for someone because “he’s not as bad as the other guy” you will never be truly represented.

As I said before, then the default is to allow the one who does not represent our values EVEN MORE, to win.


23 posted on 09/18/2012 10:57:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: doc11355
They’re letting “perfect be the enemy of good”

No.

They're letting the minimum be the enemy of the unserious.

24 posted on 09/18/2012 10:58:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“If the GOP wants my vote, they need to run a candidate that has a proven track record (ignore what they say, watch what they do) of being: Pro-life, pro gun, against socialized medicine, and actually reducing the size of government.

That’s my exalted standards.”

Yet we’re stuck with a candidate who has demonstrated with his actions that he is the exact opposite.

Heaven forbid we get ONE thing on our wishlist...


25 posted on 09/18/2012 10:59:34 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: doc11355

Since Todd Akin (92+% ACU Rating) isn’t moderate enough the GOPe cuts him loose to the wind. Why should conservatives stick around when the moderates have nothing but contempt for them?


26 posted on 09/18/2012 10:59:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: pgkdan
Why doesn't Romney hold any responsibility in this? If he would make some, even token, issue to reach out across the aisle?

He doesn't even care enough to lie on some minor issue. Are people who don't want to vote for a candidate who has no skin in the game really, "self righteous and sanctimonious?" Don't you get he should have some skin in the game.

He can get all conservatives votes and then turn around a nuke them into oblivion? He doesn't even have to pretend he can play nice?

27 posted on 09/18/2012 11:00:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: pgkdan; kingattax

“While most conservatives and Evangelical Christians are actually supporting Romney there are some who are so self righteous and sanctimonious that they refuse to support any one who’s not as ideologically pure as themselves.”

Call them Pharissees. Jesus called the Pharissees “white washed tombs full of dead mens bones”, “hypocrites” and also hell bound. Food for thought.


28 posted on 09/18/2012 11:01:17 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: doc11355

“Since Romney doesn’t meet their exhalted standards for conservatism, they’ll stay at home rather than violate their “principles”, in essence passive aggressively voting for much worse: Obama.”

No one is staying at home. Most people around here are going to vote Republican down-the-ticket. They are just going to vote for a different presidential candidate.


29 posted on 09/18/2012 11:01:17 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: doc11355

Doc, you have the wrong perception. I’m a conservative and an evangelical and I will be voting. I’m just going to vote for conservatives and will not vote for either socialist.

Since the GOP has shown that they neither want nor desire my vote, I will use my vote as I see fit and change the outcome of the major / minor party standings according to the rules of my state - Colorado.

The choice this year is NOT conservative vs socialist. Rather it is fast socialist (Obama) vs slow socialist (Romney). It is a choice of who will do the most damage to America. Four more years of Obama who will (hopeful) be opposed in the Congress by both houses -OR- Eight years of Romney who will not be opposed by anyone. Stagnation of the socialist agenda or further creeping socialism under Romney. To my view, the damage will be the same or of so little difference that it wont matter. In fact, as far as party politics goes, Romney will be worse for the GOP as his presidency will likely tear the party apart.

So, I will use my vote where it WILL make a difference. I will use it down ticket to elect conservatives to Congress. And at the top of the ticket, I will use it as a protest vote. At the end of this election cycle, perhaps one of the strategists within the GOP will look at the voting and say “Gee, if we just had a few more conservatives on board...”.
And next time, if the GOP wants to EARN my vote, they will put up a candidate that I can vote for and not another socialist. Otherwise, don’t kick sand in my face and wonder why I don’t call you my friend.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 11:01:50 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: doc11355
Exhalted standards for conservatism

What standards do you mean?

31 posted on 09/18/2012 11:02:02 AM PDT by donna (Chick-news: They report on what they love (Obama and movie stars and themselves).)
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To: SeekAndFind

We have this little talk every four years as the Republican Party installs their rino pretend to love Jesus candidate.
It is obvious who runs this country and I am sure whoever they want to be in will be in office next January. It doesn’t matter if they have to cheat to do it. I plan on voting my conscience and not holding my nose. Whoever does become president has a train wreck waiting for him anyway.


32 posted on 09/18/2012 11:04:02 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe they got tired of being treated as a statistic on some unprincipled political hack’s graph.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 11:04:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The opposite of compromise is character." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: SeekAndFind

“As I said before, then the default is to allow the one who does not represent our values EVEN MORE, to win.”

Your point?


34 posted on 09/18/2012 11:05:39 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: nickcarraway
How will he ever get rid of conservative cooties if they vote for him?

If he doesn't win the election, and I don't think he intends to win, he would prefer that his loss be attributed to fickle conservative traitors so that he can, as a private Elite person, tell his high class mostly leftist friends that "they," being ignorant, just don't know what's good for them.

Conversely, if he wins with a low conservative/evangelical turnout I suspect he is apt to govern more conservatively than if he wins with overwhelming C/E support because he can let his common sense prevail- he is not having to prove to the Elite that he is not really one of "those people."

I see Romney as kind of a lose/lose situation with one of the the alternatives being REALLY REALLY LOSE with the kenyan.

35 posted on 09/18/2012 11:06:40 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: doc11355

like to analyze this one but i’m saving that sort of thing up for late january 2013. just giving him a chance to run.


36 posted on 09/18/2012 11:09:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

A. Notice how when Romney wasn’t doing much to attack Obama and defend himself that most Conservatives liked the dumb establishment Republicans defended him and made the case he was winning.

B. As soon as he does something good for a change and comes out swinging on Obama’s Foreign Policy and he is attacking the left. And is right about the fact that a lot of people have a government mentality. The establishment and rinos run to cover and start bashing him or saying he is doing bad and losing.

C. Thus establishment people are left wingers in sheeps clothing.


37 posted on 09/18/2012 11:10:32 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Persevero
I am afraid they are going Libertarian.

No, Christians and conservatives are voting for a party to the left of the GOP and that is anti-Christian to boot.

38 posted on 09/18/2012 11:11:02 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: PieterCasparzen
The home runs are hit when the party preaches enough that people in the middle actually experience a change of heart.

A la Reagan. But Republican mainliners get to feelìng all dirty and slimy when they contemplate adopting Reagan's ideas and method. Reagan made Truth and Forthrightness his method and that stigmatized those concepts for Republicans forever.

39 posted on 09/18/2012 11:11:41 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: ansel12

left out the word NOT.


40 posted on 09/18/2012 11:13:06 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: All

next week “why people with brown eyes are not voting for Romney”.

to be followed by, “Romeny losing support of people with blue eyes.”

to be followed by, “Romney has cooties”

whatever happed to the viking kittens?


41 posted on 09/18/2012 11:13:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

This is better

“Zo” in “Under my Buss”

Classic!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JUQSje_xA


42 posted on 09/18/2012 11:14:04 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: SeekAndFind
Where Have the Conservatives & Evangelicals Gone?

"Where, oh where has my lovely, wonderful Tina gone," a perplexed Ike Turner wondered.

43 posted on 09/18/2012 11:14:41 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: SeekAndFind

The main problem is, when you look at their history, you can’t tell the difference between Hussein and Romney... this is the same scenario that happened with McCain.

True conservatives simply aren’t going to “hold their nose” and vote for a liberal, even if that helps Hussein.


44 posted on 09/18/2012 11:15:28 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: doc11355

That’s about the size of it.


45 posted on 09/18/2012 11:16:33 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: DarthVader
"Call them Pharissees. Jesus called the Pharissees “white washed tombs full of dead mens bones”, “hypocrites” and also hell bound. Food for thought."
That is totally out of context...
How about this one?:

1Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

~Romans 13:1-7

Kinda convicting isn't it?
This is why I feel comfortable voting for whomever I please. Mitt Romney is NOT my candidate.
46 posted on 09/18/2012 11:16:52 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: arthurus

Ronald Reagan Quote
“We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.”


47 posted on 09/18/2012 11:17:07 AM PDT by donna (Chick-news: They report on what they love (Obama and movie stars and themselves).)
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To: libdestroyer

You mean Obama.

A vote for anyone but Romney is tantamount to a vote for Zero.

The math and the numbers don’t lie, so spare me your sanctimony.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 11:24:09 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: nickcarraway
Why doesn't Romney hold any responsibility in this?

In the eyes of his more... ummmmmmmmmm... excitable adherents and apologists hereabouts, Mittens is much like a cow wandering placidly through the streets of downtown Cairo: immune to any/all criticism and/or impediment by divine principle, if not an object of abject veneration outright.

The cow is holy. The cow is perfect. If the cow, for whatever reason(s) -- by whatever unguessable confluence of events, in the course of its dull, plodding amblings -- doesn't end up wherever the hell it was it wanted to go to in the first place: that's your fault, buddy, not the cow's.

Never, ever, EVER the sacred, wondrous cow's. ;)

49 posted on 09/18/2012 11:25:58 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: libdestroyer

Your point is that you’re complicit in the destruction of our country and surrender to Sharia.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 11:26:18 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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