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Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA
Russia Today ^ | 9/18/12

Posted on 09/18/2012 11:54:02 AM PDT by pabianice

A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process.

Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.

The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue.

On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-lohier-ndaa-stay-414/ 12


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1 posted on 09/18/2012 11:54:06 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

wow this is really hard to watch.


2 posted on 09/18/2012 11:57:59 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: pabianice
" the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. "
3 posted on 09/18/2012 11:59:36 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: pabianice

good things the Russians reported it as i’ve seen nothing in the American media...


4 posted on 09/18/2012 12:01:03 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: pabianice
Ummm, why are we hearing about this from the Russian news media?
5 posted on 09/18/2012 12:01:23 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: pabianice
What do you expect, he's an Obama appointee



He's one of Holder's peeps, too.
6 posted on 09/18/2012 12:01:33 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Kartographer; blam; The Duke; JRandomFreeper; WakeUpAndVote; Bride Of Old Sarge

Here it comes... again...

Does anyone know about 2nd Court of Appeals’ record for overturning stuff?


7 posted on 09/18/2012 12:03:30 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: pabianice; JRandomFreeper; Kartographer
“...that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations.”

Johnny and Kart, read this article. We know from Homeland Security writings that preppers are already suspected of being potential terrorists. Holder can pick up any prepper he wants right now.

8 posted on 09/18/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: pabianice

And Russia Today is reporting it, I’m so ashamed.


9 posted on 09/18/2012 12:10:47 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: ColdOne

There’s something funny going on, you can just feel it in the air.


10 posted on 09/18/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: pabianice

Well, at least we are being informed of this from a media source that is FAR more trustworthy than the American media.

Obama and the filthy democrats MUST be removed from power. There is no other reasonable option.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 12:13:52 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Stormdog
There’s something funny going on, you can just feel it in the air.

There's something going on all right, but it sure ain't funny.

12 posted on 09/18/2012 12:14:30 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Gator113

You cannot be serious. On a good day, Russian state-owned media rises to the level of ours. Which is atrocious.


13 posted on 09/18/2012 12:24:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Stormdog
There’s something funny going on, you can just feel it in the air.

Apropos of nothing, a friend passed along a comment made by a federal law enforcement officer to a law enforcement supplies dealer. The comment was, "don't go too far away from home between now and November. You might not be able to get back". The federal officer suddenly had a sheepish expression indicating concern that he had made an "improper" disclosure".

China and Japan are prepping for a fight over some islands between Japan and Thailand. Iran and Israel a prepping for battle. Iran has launched a Russian made sub into the Persian Gulf area. The muzzies are attacking everything thing in sight. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm working on a contract 900 miles from home. None of this crap makes me very happy. Life is hard enough already.

14 posted on 09/18/2012 12:25:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: pabianice

ugh


15 posted on 09/18/2012 12:27:00 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: pabianice

I am sure that DUers are saying its OK now because its “ours now”


16 posted on 09/18/2012 12:28:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: andy58-in-nh

“There’s something going on all right, but it sure ain’t funny.”

“Funny” as in suspicious. What’s going on isn’t any kind of joke.


17 posted on 09/18/2012 12:28:50 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: FReepers

             

18 posted on 09/18/2012 12:38:10 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Marcella

If you are a white guy with a gun and disagree with the way the nation is going, you are a target.

Of course, that’s a whole lot of detainin’, most of which will probably not go well for those who chose to enforce this asinine legislation.

Maybe mercenaries disguised as UN “peacekeepers” would give it a go.

But if the world thinks that afghanistan is bad, try that over here...


19 posted on 09/18/2012 12:38:59 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Stormdog

The NDAA eliminates the posse comitatus act or recognizes the elimination of the act and allows the military to seize us citizens anywhere in the world including the continental states and hold them forever without charge or due process. All they need is a suspicion.

The US military once your protectors may soon be your captors..

And for the cool-aid drinking republicans here.. your guys voted for it too or when they could have easily killed it.


20 posted on 09/18/2012 12:39:28 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Myrddin

http://m.sodahead.com/united-states/exclusive-do-not-go-anywhere-far-from-home-between-now-and-nov-you-will-not-be-able-to-get-back/question-3125681/

Was the law enforcement dealer one of the folks mentioned in the above article?

I would like to know; you can FRmail me with more info :)


21 posted on 09/18/2012 12:41:00 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Breto

“The NDAA eliminates the posse comitatus act or recognizes the elimination of the act.....”

And that worries the living daylights out of me.


22 posted on 09/18/2012 12:46:30 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: pabianice

23 posted on 09/18/2012 12:47:00 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: WildHighlander57
Swiped from the thread at your link . . .

</apropos>


24 posted on 09/18/2012 12:48:38 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: pabianice
On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.

Now I know why the Left isn't screaming, protesting or occupying anything over this.... he "feels bad" about it, so it's a-okay.

25 posted on 09/18/2012 12:52:06 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Stormdog
“Funny” as in suspicious. What’s going on isn’t any kind of joke.

Agree, 100%. We're being set up. And instead of performing its traditional role as a guardian against the abuse of government power, the media is "all in".

26 posted on 09/18/2012 12:53:30 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Ummm, why are we hearing about this from the Russian news media?

Because in Soviet Amerika, President write news... Komrade.

27 posted on 09/18/2012 12:55:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: tomkat

“Ohm” with you.


28 posted on 09/18/2012 12:59:34 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Stormdog; andy58-in-nh
>“There’s something going on all right, but it sure ain’t funny.”
“Funny” as in suspicious. What’s going on isn’t any kind of joke.

Sure it is... you just might not like the punchline of “This is America, it can’t happen here.”

29 posted on 09/18/2012 12:59:59 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Stormdog
“The NDAA eliminates the posse comitatus act or recognizes the elimination of the act.....”

And that worries the living daylights out of me.

Not to mention the legitimate suspension of Habeus Corpus.

30 posted on 09/18/2012 1:01:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Breto

“And for the cool-aid drinking republicans here.. your guys voted for it too or when they could have easily killed it.”

It’s a Husssein executive order “law”. Never went to congress for a vote.


31 posted on 09/18/2012 1:06:50 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: ColdOne
It's not possible to make a distinction between 0bama and Romney on NDAA.

Youtube videos:

Mitt Romney - Yes I would Sign NDAA

Here's "crazy" Ron Paul on NDAA.

NDAA Floor Speech Jan 18 2012

It's also noteworthy that the lawsuit was filed by Chris Hedges.

Christopher Hedges et al v. Barak Obama et al NDAA Opinion and Order 9-12-2012

32 posted on 09/18/2012 1:08:12 PM PDT by Chunga85
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To: pabianice

This means that Obama has the right to indefinitely detain Romney even after the latter has won the election.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 1:10:41 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: pabianice
When the obozo signed into law the NDAA he included a signed statement that he would not exercise section 1021 but now he is fighting to keep it active. With respect to the future of America, that clearly speaks for itself. As Bill Ayres once stated, the new government will fill anti-capitolism retraining camps. For any American who refuse to be retrained will be put to death. Like other bits of resistance the obozo has encountered when he craps on the constitution, his mafia thugs deliver a threat, and wallah, resistance changes to immediate compliance. I'm sure the same will happen with this issue. As most are doing nothing to stop the demise of our country, it's like the nation is standing on a train track and just watching an approaching locomotive knowing what the obvious outcome is going to be if the train is not stopped. Once the train runs your ass over.............
34 posted on 09/18/2012 1:12:00 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: andy58-in-nh
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking:  What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?  Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?  The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

  Solzhenitsyn

35 posted on 09/18/2012 1:14:57 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: pabianice

Allen West and Paul Ryan voted for it. They are not my favorite people.


36 posted on 09/18/2012 1:15:15 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Not to mention the legitimate suspension of Habeus Corpus.”

AKA Indefinite Detention. What’s the English word for “Gulag”?


37 posted on 09/18/2012 1:17:26 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: pabianice
Judge Raymond Lohier

TRAITOR to the US Constitution. Should be impeached and given the death penalty. By firing squad.

Don't think I'm serious?

38 posted on 09/18/2012 1:18:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: Stormdog
What’s the English word for “Gulag”?

California ?


39 posted on 09/18/2012 1:19:55 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat

That was good!!!


40 posted on 09/18/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: pabianice

In case there’s anyone left who believes the constitution means anything.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 1:23:34 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Stormdog

Not to the patriots in CA it ain't !   ;-)

Seriously, I wish Jim/John and their families could move themselves and FR to Texas or Oklahoma !



42 posted on 09/18/2012 1:26:28 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
You, my friend, get it.

In college I studied Russian political history and literature and came to understand, all protestations to the contrary, that it in fact could happen here, not because Americans were potentially susceptible to the statist impulse, but because human nature desires normalcy and reflexively denies that which threatens it. Too many people sacrifice the difficult reality of freedom for the false comfort of dependency.

43 posted on 09/18/2012 1:30:04 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: pabianice

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44 posted on 09/18/2012 1:33:11 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Marcella

“It’s a Husssein executive order “law”. Never went to congress for a vote.”

Actually it was an Act passed by congress. That why its called the National Defense Appropriations Act. The act included funding for the DOD along with this treacherous crap. I was emailing the so called republican conservatives, including Allen West, like crazy to vote it down. West voted for it only a few conservatives and some liberal dems voted against. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/268602/20111216/ndaa-did-congress-member-vote.htm


45 posted on 09/18/2012 1:40:38 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Stormdog
>“Not to mention the legitimate suspension of Habeus Corpus.”
AKA Indefinite Detention. What’s the English word for “Gulag”?

True. I find it disturbing that there are so few who find this disturbing. Of course the Habeus Corpus suspension is/was a logical outcome of protracted, definitionally-unwinnable warfare: War of Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty... what are the "victory conditions for any of these? Moreover, are those even desirable goals? [i.e. defeating poverty by taking all that everyone has (theft), thus making everyone all the same.]

46 posted on 09/18/2012 1:43:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Breto

My error. I seem to recall he had personal input somehow with that. Is it he and Holder are responsible for that language about detainment? I probably have that info. in an email I sent to a friend at the time this became effective. I want to know for myself where I got that, so I’ll search emails. Thanks for the clarification.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 1:52:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: UCANSEE2

I don’t know why the bold type, as if it’s supposed to be a surprise. SCOTUS never overturned Korematsu, did it? And if it did the president could ignore SCOTUS like Lincoln.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 1:53:35 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: andy58-in-nh
Too many people sacrifice the difficult reality of freedom for the false comfort of dependency

Excellent !

49 posted on 09/18/2012 1:56:37 PM PDT by tomkat ( * one way or another, no gulags for this ol'boy .. FUØ)
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To: Marcella

” I seem to recall he had personal input somehow

You remember correctly. The argument was about language. Obama actual wanted more aggressive language in it which the original bill from the Senate contained. Negotiations reduced it to the treachery that is now law. Hard to imagine it could have been worse.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 1:57:51 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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