Skip to comments.Tests only identify Zimmerman's DNA on handgun
Posted on 09/19/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by sirchtruth
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) Forensic tests made public Wednesday show that George Zimmerman's was the only DNA that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to fatally shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
The results rule out Martin's DNA from being on the gun's grip. Zimmerman's DNA also was identified on the gun's holster, but no determination could be made as to whether Martin's DNA was on the gun's holster, according to the report from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
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This is BS! Why could "No Determination" be made? What does that mean?
Yes , interesting, but may only be selective (source is AssPress). Did they test any /residuals remains found on the slide or barrel?
IIRC, some FReepers have postulated that M had his hand(s) on the slide and the weapon did not cycle. That would explain the “as found” empty chamber.
So he could have been reaching for the gun; we don’t know. What we do know is Zimmerman can claim self-defense from the beating he was taking anyway. That is, with evudence of his injuries and lacking contrary evidence about who started the fight or at what point the decision to shoot was made.
Did Zimmerman claim he touched the gun?
And I’m sure they only found Zimmerman’s DNA through blood samples in the grass and sidewalk where Martin had been using Z’s head as a basketball.
I don’t think Z said that T got his hands on the gun.
I think what Z recalled is that as he struggled against his attacker, his concealed weapon became exposed, and it was at that point T said to him, “you’re gonna die tonight”, but Z was able to get the gun and fire it before T could stop him or get the gun himself.
That’s what I though. So why is the story written as if it was expected that Martin’s DNA would be on the gun. There is no reason that it should have been.
In hindsight, Zimmerman should have rubbed the gun handle in Trayvon’s hand I guess. If only he would have known that he was going to be railroaded.
AP of course expects us to believe ZIMMERMAN IS GUILTY by this irrelevant revelation.
Zimmermann's version does not entail Martin grabbing the weapon or a struggle for the weapon.
Zimmermann is not saying: "We struggled over the weapon and it accidentally went off, I didn't mean to shoot him." He is saying: "I shot him in self-defense."
So if what you’re saying is accurate (and I’m sure it is) then this story doesn’t mean squat.
He said that he "reached" for his gun. He never said that he "touched" it.
So if I pick up and handle something hundreds of times, and someone else only touches it (or grabs for it) once,....
It is shocking that only my DNA is found on the item.
Hmmmm.... Sounds like MSM logic to me.
The AP and Yahoo are just trying to make people think this makes a difference somehow! I don't think Zimmerman claimed Martin touched the gun.
Zimmerman says Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground and smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist before Martin could get it.He shot the teenager once in the chest.
Why is this even news, AP?
DUH.. This headline is answering a question that was never asked.. Who cares what the limited fingerprint evidence shows after we saw the damage that was OBVIOUS on Zimmerman’s head and face..
To my knowledge Zim never said Tre touched the gun or holster so the findings are consistent with Zim’s testimony but largely irrelevent.
this story says only ON THE GRIP. So why the selective testing? The fact they do not test on the rest of the gun is suspect. If the gun was tested w/o the defense expert present there is a surpression and spoiliation of evidence supression motion(s) inevitable.
This is typical law enforcement BS. If Zimmerman had the gun in hand on the grip to shoot how in the hell would that prove anything. Was Martin’s prints on the rest of the gun? Does America has the dumbest law enforcement in the world or was this info provided to the MSM just for the fun of it.
Where did this come from? I could not find this in the article.
Per Zimmerman (and he re-enacts it), Martin slid his hand down Zimmerman's side, Zimmerman pinned it again Zimmerman's side with his elbow/upper arm. Zimmerman drew the gun and shot Martin.
Under the scenario he describes and demonstrates, Martin's DNA should not have been on the grip of Zimmerman's handgun.
You can watch the video here
Did they find Martin’s DNA on Zimmerman’s head where Martin was slamming said head into the pavement?
Exactly...they are jury tampering long before a jury is even in play.
They are probably hoping to so damn Zimmerman with this kind of meaningless stuff, that he will feel he has to plead guilty to a lesser charge than 2nd degree murder.
I get the impression Z believed T suddenly realized Z had a gun on him and he knew at that point it was either him or T, and he was able to get the gun and fire it before T could do anything about it. He did say that T said “you’re gonna die tonight” about the same time he realized his gun had been exposed.
IIRC, he also said T said something like, “you got me”, when he shot him. Then of course, T died.
The “no other dna on Z’s gun” thing is a total red herring.
My mistake — from here in the Orlando Slantinel:
And to lead the public into believing something that doesn't matter an use it falsely as an "implication."
Didn't know that DNA was present in fingerprints. Sure, if Trayvon had been scraped by the moving slide, you'd expect to see some DNA in the bits of skin - but there are lots of variables.
I'd like to see info on basic forensic work such as gunshot residue patterns, before they start discussing this CSI stuff.
Ok, thanks. I wonder why the AP didn’t include what Zimmerman supposedly said in their article? Maybe the information in the Orlando Sentinel is bogus?
You recall correctly. I believe there was also a bruise on GZ chest from the slide slamming back. That would also prohibit it from fully cycling and loading another round.
IMHO The lack of TM DNA on the grip or holster means little.
I have apparently missed the point of the story.
They found the owner of the weapon and holster’s DNA on the weapon and holster. The owner (GZ) said they were his and that he used them to shoot the attacker.
Did they check the gun and holster for Nancy Pelosi’s DNA too? What are they trying to tell us? That the attacker never touched the gun or the holster? Did someone suggest Martin had?
APObama and YahooObama are simply polluting the potential jury pool, or barring that, spinning up public outrage over Saint Skittles, with the end result being the Stand Your Ground Law and the Castle Doctrine get overturned, providing court precedent to get these laws overturned in other states and therefore gutting the 2nd Amendment without the mess of a Constitutional Convention.
And that’s all there ever is, or was, to this case.
If there are feral black race riots nationwide as a result of the trial, that’s a twofer.
It means your Saint George may be lying thjrough his white hispanic teeth.
Apparently Z stated T "reached" for the gun according to the article from the OS. Link: Post #24
Sounds like you and the AP love to stretch the bounds of reality by false implication to try to convince dolts Zimmerman is lying.
Not only does this NOT prove he's lying, it proves his account jives with the available evidence.
I also put it over here:
Personally I don’t care about who did what to whom. I could care less if GZ is acquitted or convicted. Its no skin off my nose.
But I’m willing to let the case work its way through the system....like its supposed to.
I just like pulling the chains of some of yinz who seeingly automatically support the “white hispanic” because his “assailant” was a young black kid...and we all know they’re all hoodlums and dealers. (/s for the last half-sentence.)
You admit what we already know, you troll threads throughout FR, not with sincere posts or conservative purpose, but to bait, bomb throw, and inflame, to troll, to play with while "pulling the chains" of freepers.
The majority of the people on this site support Mr. Zimmerman because of the facts known. The skin color of either participant is irrelevant to most people here as it pertains to whether or not Mr. Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force against the deceased.
However, that is certainly not true of those in this country who are determined to curtail our rights one way or another, and in particular those who are obsessed with seeing Mr. Zimmerman found guilty of any possible charge that will stick. Those despicable people are all to eager to use “race” as a tool to “get their way”.
Project project project.
Only on this issue. Because its an unimportant issue right now.
With real issues like NDAA, QE3, and getting the Marxist Kenyan out of office, this little soap opera in Florida doesn’t, (or shouldn’t), even register on the radar.
Big picture, man. keep focused on the big picture...not this pointless minutae.
Who is doing this? You are going to sit here and "SEEMINGLY" imply some of us are racist because the media and the race pimps are trying to make this case into something the evidence does not support. or has ever supported? Is that what your doing?
I'm going to seemingly assume you are part of the biased scumbag media making S*** up just to fit YOUR agenda!
Was I accusing you? No.
But there have been some pretty horribly worded posts by some FReepers here since this whole thing began.
When I make such a post like I did, its purpose is to flush them out.
What it means, is that the saintly Trayvon did not get a good enough grip on the gun’s handle to shoot Zimmerman.
He’s no saint, either...obviously.
Look, only two people for sure know what happened that night and one of them is dead.
I’m willing to wait for the verdict. And live with it.
My problem with Zimmerman, (and I know this is probably projection), is that he was a neighborhood watch busybody. I put those nebby meddlers in the same category I put the little Hitlers that run HOA’s and “Neighborhood Associations.”
Just more collectivist meddling.
If you had read the police reports that were available in March and April on the city’s site you would know that he wasn’t some busybody. They had lots of crime in the housing complex including home invasions. In one instance a young woman cowered in her bathroom while a couple of Yutes ransacked her house till the police arrived.
Everyone involved with NW’s that I’ve ever run across is a nosy meddler or wannabe cop. Vigilantes in my book.
I handle my own safety and security. I have no need for them.
The ones in my neighborhood are usually humorless idiots calling the cops over dog poop......and I clean up after mine....I just watch where I walk because of those who don’t.
But I’d never call the cops on them. Some of the neighborhood watch nazis here have.
And these busybodies want to know why their windows get soaped and their trees festooned with TP on Halloween....
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