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Battleground Polls: Could Obama Lose the Popular Vote but Win the Election?
ABC News ^ | Wednesday, September 19, 2012 | Chris Good

Posted on 09/19/2012 9:58:17 AM PDT by kristinn

George W. Bush did it in 2000. So did John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes and Benjamin Harrison.

Could President Obama be next?

It’s not often that a presidential candidate wins the election while losing the popular vote, but polling suggests it could happen again in 2012 if the race tightens just a bit.

A handful of new polls today show President Obama leading in important battleground states. Surveys by CBS-New York Times-Quinnipiac rate him ahead in Virginia (50-46 percent) and Wisconsin (51-45 percent), while erasing a Romney lead in Colorado to pull ahead narrowly (48-47 percent).

The last batch of swing-state polls, released Thursday by NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist, showed Obama leading in Ohio (50-43 percent), Florida (49-44 percent) and Virginia.

That’s good news for Obama, and if the election were held today, they indicate that Obama would be the favorite.

But national polling remains very close. Since Romney secured his party’s nomination in April, neither candidate has gained much separation.

President Obama’s single-digit convention bounce has mostly evaporated. ABC News-Washington Post polling showed him leading Mitt Romney 50-44 percent after the conventions, and Gallup’s daily tracking poll concurred. Now, Gallup shows the two candidates virtually tied: Obama leads 47-46 percent, the exact same numbers Gallup reported as the GOP convention began in Tampa.

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But at various points in the election cycle, polls have shown Republicans more excited about voting in November 2012 than Democrats. If a lagging economy and a lack of excitement deflate Obama’s vote totals in safely Democratic states, boost Romney’s total in red states, and makes swing states more competitive, Obama could surpass 269 Electoral College votes while seeing Romney become the next Al Gore.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; enemedia; obama; polls; romney
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MSM signals PLan B for Operation re-elect Obama.
1 posted on 09/19/2012 9:58:23 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
It’s not often that a presidential candidate wins the election while losing the popular vote,

Richard Nixon, 1968.

2 posted on 09/19/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kristinn

The GOP Controls the House and if it were to come down to Romney winning the popular vote while losing the Electoral College vote, the House would have to take actions to follow the wishes of the majority of the voters.


3 posted on 09/19/2012 10:01:43 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: kristinn

Didn’t this happen to W in 2000?


4 posted on 09/19/2012 10:01:54 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: kristinn

I read it that way too. It’s a code,,for the MSM


5 posted on 09/19/2012 10:02:09 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: kristinn

I saw NBC and immediately stopped reading.


6 posted on 09/19/2012 10:02:16 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kristinn
It ain't even going to be close.

The Community Agitators Formerly Known As ACORN can't generate enough election fraud to overcome the tsunami headed Ubama's way.

7 posted on 09/19/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: EGPWS

huh?


8 posted on 09/19/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: kristinn

Notice how they cherry picked from the most leftwing polls and old polling to create this crappola.


9 posted on 09/19/2012 10:03:29 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Perdogg

Did Humphrey not take the popular vote, yet lose the election?


10 posted on 09/19/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kristinn

11 posted on 09/19/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: kristinn

Another leftist fantasy played out in print. Why do you never see articles about Romney winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote?


12 posted on 09/19/2012 10:06:05 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: kristinn

Wait this race is over how could Mitt be more popular than barry?


13 posted on 09/19/2012 10:06:28 AM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: kristinn

But, but....but the MSM have been saying that the election is over and the chair will win big time.

To me, this does not sound all that comforting from the media. This may be an early signal that they are seeing te chair is in big trouble.


14 posted on 09/19/2012 10:07:04 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Uncle Slayton
"The GOP Controls the House and if it were to come down to Romney winning the popular vote while losing the Electoral College vote, the House would have to take actions to follow the wishes of the majority of the voters."

Only if Obama gets less than 270 electoral votes. 270 is the only number that matters. (Though the schadenfreude in me would love to see the GOP-controlled House decide it). The wailing and gnashing of teeth would be sweet to hear.

15 posted on 09/19/2012 10:08:36 AM PDT by RabidBartender (If pigs could vote, they'd vote for the guy holding the slop bucket.)
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To: kristinn

When Suck-Up ABC starts switching stories from “Romney is Doomed” to stories like this, you know there’s a problem for Obama.


16 posted on 09/19/2012 10:09:23 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: WashingtonSource

I noted some months ago that the NPV gang were silent as church mice this cycle.


17 posted on 09/19/2012 10:10:31 AM PDT by relictele
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To: kristinn
You don't have to donate money to the Romney campaign to make a difference. (You should donate money to FreeRepublic.)

If You Live in a Blue State, Here Is What You Can Do To Help Romney Beat Obama

I've made 1600 phone calls from home to New Hampshire in the last six days using the system set up by the campaign. Even 100 calls will make a difference. Who will join me?

18 posted on 09/19/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by Ziva (Check out the great art blog at http://blog.RetroCollage.com/)
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To: EGPWS

That election was close but Nixon still won the popular vote and the electoral votes.


19 posted on 09/19/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Perdogg

Must have meant 1960.


20 posted on 09/19/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: kristinn

It all depends on who is counting the votes... remember?


21 posted on 09/19/2012 10:12:26 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: kristinn

“George W. Bush did it in 2000.”

Only because California went so overwhelmingly for Gore.

While Gore’s total popular vote over Bush was 500,000 votes, his margin in California alone was a couple of million.....

Do the math and you can see why the Dems are always talking about eliminating the Electoral College that essentially eliminates the effects of “piling on” in certain large population states.


22 posted on 09/19/2012 10:14:51 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: kristinn

Zero might just win if people vote third party or stay home because Romney isn’t “pure” enough for them.

There’s a clique of these cement-headed clowns right here on FR.

Imagine that...


23 posted on 09/19/2012 10:16:12 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: kristinn

What about that Popular vote movement, which now requires electors is some 10+ states to vote for the winner of the national polualr vote, REGARDLESS of the outscome of their respective state vote...they would change their mind faster than thos who supported the Hitler/Stalin pact.


24 posted on 09/19/2012 10:16:46 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Uncle Slayton
The GOP Controls the House and if it were to come down to Romney winning the popular vote while losing the Electoral College vote, the House would have to take actions to follow the wishes of the majority of the voters.

No, that's only if there is a tie in the electoral college. Whoever wins the electoral college wins -- the popular vote is completely irrelevant.

25 posted on 09/19/2012 10:16:46 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: kristinn

Saying that George Bush failed to win the popular vote in 2000 ignores the rampant voting fraud all over the country that year. In countless precincts, more votes were counted than there were registered voters. In Florida, CBS (-and others?) called the election before the polls were closed, causing a quarter million Florida Republicans to stay home. We had the bizarre Carnahan trick in St. Louis of polling hours being extended (illegal, and clearly pre-planned). Plus, we must not forget that then-Vice President Gore sent out millions of voter registrations to non-citizens. NOBODY should accept the lie that Bush failed to win the popular vote in 2000. He won despite millions of illegally cast votes because Republicans stood their ground in Florida, waging a courageous battle of wills against the Democrat tyrant liars who were disputing chads, punching ballots from the backs of their cars and “finding” extra ballot boxes.


26 posted on 09/19/2012 10:16:51 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: kristinn

None of this matters, because the MSM told us that Romney lost the election last week and again on Monday. If he keeps on losing the election every few days, then he’ll wind up winning the popular vote but lose the electoral vote, or something.


27 posted on 09/19/2012 10:18:12 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Speak Up, Mitt!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Maybe he is refering to 1968 and 1992 where the winner did not receive a majority of the popular vote (but a plurality) but won the election.


28 posted on 09/19/2012 10:19:12 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Zero might just win if people vote third party or stay home because Romney isn’t “pure” enough for them. There’s a clique of these cement-headed clowns right here on FR. Imagine that...

Are you playing 'devil's advocate' again?

29 posted on 09/19/2012 10:20:01 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: ontap
I see that.

My sixth grade teacher then was a DFL'er and had some wishful thinking I guess. ; )

30 posted on 09/19/2012 10:22:01 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

No, it isn’t going to happen.

Obama’s high margins in states like California guarantee that he won’t.


31 posted on 09/19/2012 10:24:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

California makes the reverse more likely to happen.


32 posted on 09/19/2012 10:26:53 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Nope.

I meant that one.

We should all be willing to crawl over broken glass to vote for Willard because America will not survive another 0bama term.

No, Romney wasn’t my first choice either, but compared to the Marxist we have now, Romney’s almost Goldwater.


33 posted on 09/19/2012 10:29:30 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: kristinn

If 90 percent of the commies and illegal aliens in NY and California vote Obama, he can pile up huge numbers of votes and easily win the popular vote. Who cares? The rest of us aren’t bound by the extreme liberalism of a few populous states. The nation was wisely set up to ensure that the president was elected by a broad swath of the nation.


34 posted on 09/19/2012 10:32:44 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: EGPWS
Did Humphrey not take the popular vote, yet lose the election?

Nixon got a plurality but not a majority.

Nixon 43.4%
Humphrey 42.7%
Wallace 13.5%

35 posted on 09/19/2012 10:33:44 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Nope. I meant that one. We should all be willing to crawl over broken glass to vote for Willard because America will not survive another 0bama term. No, Romney wasn’t my first choice either, but compared to the Marxist we have now, Romney’s almost Goldwater.

This election is Romney's to win or lose. We all saw his performance during the primaries. He can repeat that performance again or go back to living off his investments. He wanted this gig, so let him lead. Oh and before you come unglued I have not yet decided IF I can vote for him, but, I do like Ryan.

36 posted on 09/19/2012 10:34:17 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

The GOP Controls the House and if it were to come down to Romney winning the popular vote while losing the Electoral College vote, the House would have to take actions to follow the wishes of the majority of the voters.


The President is elected via the Electoral College not the popular nationwide vote.


37 posted on 09/19/2012 10:34:17 AM PDT by deport
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To: kristinn
Well... were that the case, here's where suddenly California comes into play.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/08/09/california-votes-to-relinquish-electoral-votes/

38 posted on 09/19/2012 10:35:16 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Ingtar

Exactly so. If Obama loses the popular vote - he ain’t winning the election.


39 posted on 09/19/2012 10:35:46 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: kristinn

I don’t think that will happen. His unpopularity is highly, highly, under-reported.

The media loves...even WORSHIPS Obamugabe, and they refuse to believe or report on a contrary point of view.


40 posted on 09/19/2012 10:40:05 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Some of the FR ideological favorites (Chamber of Commerce, globalists, free traders, corporate America) who never condemned them for supporting lax enforcement of illegal immigration (for cheap labor) changed the demographics of several GOP safe states. That is why GOP is struggling to win the electoral college. VA, CO, NV are states that come to mind. You want Latino voters, conservative social values with a socialist government will win them over. Romney has about 24 percent, need 30+ percent to negate the Dem advantage. Like it or not the Latino voters are the king makers in many states including former safe GOP ones. Buchanan is correct when he said demography is destiny.


41 posted on 09/19/2012 11:10:30 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“...America will not survive another 0bama term.”

I hate to have to break it to you but you’re beating a dead horse. America (as we know it) is not going to survive regardless of which sock-puppet makes the White House his home for the next four years. America’s fate has been sealed by a hundred years of shyster banking and subversion by Marxist politicians. Obama will get us there in three or four years while Willard will string us along while he makes a few million dollars more than he has now.

Flailing at that horse is only going to disturb the flies.


42 posted on 09/19/2012 11:11:16 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: kristinn; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot

A very good poll because it has no lies or MSM participation. It has no voter “opinions,” just registrations.

Mind you, the poll was up to August and no 9/11 foreign policy debacle yet!

It made a key point, RATs NEVER won when their registration was BELOW +6.9, while Republicans won even being -1.4!!

I believe that we’ll win in what I call a “mudslide” that’s appropriate for the fag in the BathHouse and his communist cabal.

Beware, troll attraction alert! They have to knock this one down and FAST!

http://datechguyblog.com/2012/09/17/demoralized-as-hell-the-poll-the-media-isnt-talking-about-edition/


43 posted on 09/19/2012 11:27:50 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Nixon may have had a popular vote plurality in 1960. They count all the Democrat votes in Alabama as Kennedy votes even though the Democrat electors split--what was on the ballots which the voters saw? It's hard to know what percentage of them wanted Kennedy and what percentage favored Harry F. Byrd.

Of all the times when the "loser" of the popular vote won the electoral college vote, his leading opponent was under 50% of the popular vote, with the possible exception of 1876, where Tilden may have had over 50% of the popular vote (hard to know with a lot of voter fraud and vote-suppression going on).

44 posted on 09/19/2012 12:00:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: kristinn

Heh. Already shifting to this what if now that the latest attacks on Romney aren’t having the impact they thought they would.

All the 47% clip did was refocus Romney.


45 posted on 09/19/2012 12:07:30 PM PDT by goodolemr
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To: kristinn
MSM signals PLan B for Operation re-elect Obama.

ABC's top of the hour radio news just reported from a Miami sandwich shop that they could only find voters who are "fed up with both parties" and are staying home this election.

That's plan B, depress voter turnout. Make you think that the other guy is staying home, that nobody supports your candidate, so why should you?

-PJ

46 posted on 09/19/2012 12:10:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You nailed it.

Here’s a poll that has history behind it. This will combat the “it’s over, 0b0z0 wins, etc...”

Look how many 0b0z0-will-win-poll trolls are here on FR. One of them is advocating losing the presidential, the Senate and a 60% chance to lose the HOUSE! S/he advices us to hang in there till 2016!


47 posted on 09/19/2012 1:02:41 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: kristinn; Izzy Dunne
Great post by Izzy:

For the last two weeks we have been treated to the narrative that Barack Obama is surging at the polls, Mitt Romney is in trouble and unless there is a massive change in direction it is all over.

Simply put this is a lie.

Of all the polls you have seen, there is one poll that has gotten no attention, it is a poll that has been taken monthly, it is a poll that Doug Ross spotted and promoted on his site. It is the Rasmussen Poll of party identification.

They have party identification results online dating back to 2004. Here are the 2012 numbers through August

That shows a GOP advantage in registration this year but you might say: “Hey, Datechguy, you’ve been hitting polls all year, why can’t THIS poll be wrong?”

That’s a good question, we can answer it by asking another question: Does this poll of party identification correspond with the results of national elections?

Lets take a look:

2004 George Bush wins re-election

The closest the Republicans come to democrats in registration is Sept at a .6 in September. On election day Democrats had a registration advantage of 1.5. Yet not only did George Bush win re-election with that disadvantage but the GOP took 3 senate seats and 3 House seats over 2002.

2006 Midterms Revenge of the left:

In January the GOP was the closest they would be .6 off but by November the Mark Foley scandal was still big news and on election day Democrats had a spread of 6.1 points. This carried them to a net gain of 31 house seats & 5 seats.

2008 The coming of Barack Obama

The year of hope and change. The closest split was 5.6 in January & in September after the Palin Pick but by election day not only was the split 7.6 for Dems but for the first time (Feb) A party had identification over 40%. The Democrats kept that number over 40% 8 out of 12 months that year reaching a high of 41.7% the largest number in this 9 year sample for either party. With these figures it’s should be no surprise that Barack Obama win but Democrats picked up 8 seats in the Senate & 21 Seats in the house.

2010 Midterms The Rise of the Tea Party

2010 proved conclusively that timing is everything for the first time in the nine years, the GOP took an advantage in poll registration from -2.9 to plus 1.3 in one month, and that month was November.

Additionally the 37.0 figure for the GOP was the highest for the party since Dec 2004. At the very same time the 33.7 figure in December was the lowest figure for democrats EVER.

Correspondingly the GOP gained 6 Senate seats (not counting the Jan Scott Brown Race) and in the house picked up 63 seats more than democrats picked up in 2006 & 2008 combined.

These results since 2004 seem to indicate the poll is reliable. So what has it said lately, lets start with 2011 lets look at 2011

This is the year of the great fights between the GOP House & the president and it’s the most interesting year of the lot. The lead changes hands 6 times during the year as the country tries to figure out what it wants and for the first time EVER Other was in the lead, (Aug) tied with the GOP (33.5) ahead of democrats (33.0) other was ahead of the GOP 3 times in 2007.

Now lets look at that 2012 chart again:

At no time during the year do the Democrats have a registration advantage vs republicans, the gap closes in July & re-separates in August. The low point for the GOP was July for 34.9 and the high August at 37.6 For democrats the high was 34.0 in June & July the low was 32.4 in Feb

What does this mean for November? It means a lot.

The Democrats won 2 election in this period 2006 & 2008 with a 6.9 advantage in 2006 & a 7.6 advantage in 2008.

There is no example of the Democrats winning since 2004 with an advantage less that 6.9.

The GOP won two elections in this period 2004 with a -1.6 disadvantage & 2010 with a 1.3 advantage. This means the GOP has proven it can win with not only a small lead but with an actual disadvantage. Additionally with an advantage of only 1.3 they pulled off the biggest house swing in my lifetime.

Can these number change? Well the biggest 1 month swing I’ve seen is 4.2 Oct-Nov in 2010 the biggest 3 month swing was Dec 2007-Feb 2008 6.9 in favor of Democrats at the rise of Obama.

Tell me with the economy in the tank, and the new trouble in the Middle East, what is the prospect of a swing of that size to the Democrats happening again right now? Moreover even if that record registration swing repeated itself right now this would give democrats an advantage of only 2.6 points.

I’ve covered a lot of national polls on this site over the last year and all those polls ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX have one thing in common.

Not a single one of those polls had a sample with a GOP advantage.

As Rush would say: Zip, Zero Nada.

Not only have none of these polls had a GOP advantage but the closest we saw was a D+4 poll.

Doug Ross via (@NumbersMuncher & @AriFleischer) has a great chart on his site that I’ll reprint here:

In every single poll showing Barack Obama ahead on this chart the sample is at least D+4 Even if the biggest swing in history takes place in the next 3 months toward the left that is 1.4 points above what the party split will be.

All of the figures I’ve cited are from a source publicly available. The Media know these figures, the left knows these figures and the Networks know these figures.

Yet they are still using polls with huge democrat samples and representing them as real.

I don’t know what that tells you but I sure know what it tells me

“Ride right through them, they’re demoralized as hell”!

The election of Barack Obama was the biggest con ever perpetuated on the US Public, the polls the media is reporting these days is a close second.

Update: CBS belowns itself, D+13 REALLY?

Update: I stayed up late tweeting this out and had this tweet from a leftist named Mr. D who made this incredible assertion:

@datechguyblog I love it..most polls skew conservative but to hear GOP bigots cry over polls is hilarious. #tcot #Wow

— Mr D (@Blackjedi50) September 17, 2012

Being not only fair-minded but also sane and rational I asked for some data, the exchange was….interesting

@datechguyblog Proving the sky is blue, to a bigot, isn’t worth a cold fart in hell. #tcot

— Mr D (@Blackjedi50) September 17, 2012

Oh I’m now not only a bigot but it’s as clear as proving the sky is blue so who needs data?

@datechguyblog I’ve said it. The end. #tcot

— Mr D (@Blackjedi50) September 17, 2012

Hey I can take a photo of the sky to prove it’s blue, if all these polls skew GOP you would think you can produce at least 1 to show it, but not this is the left I’ve said it so it MUST be true.

Talk about hide the decline.

Update 3: Great example of my point in the PPP Virgina Poll. Poll claims Obama up 50-45. Poll Sample +3 Dem

Actual registration split in Virginia? GOP +3

Update 4: I should stress that none of these figures are an argument to be complacent, to not make the calls, to not engage and to not fight for every vote out there. The registration trends are in our favor but apathy is fatal. Be cocky but not lazy.

Update 5: Instalanche Thanks Glenn & Powerline picks today, thanks guys.

Update 6: Linked by Hillbuzz, Ace, Neoneocon, Best of the Web, Before it’s news, polipundit, Evil Blogger Lady and I’m told mentioned on the air by Rush Limbaugh.

Thanks to you all, welcome to all the new readers and check out the site, the radio show (latest episode available by clicking on my fedora above) Nice to have you here.

Update 7: BTW for those who don’t know I like Rush have been arguing all the objective data shows the Democrats are not only losing but “Demoralized as Hell” click on the words “Ride Right Through them They’re demoralized as hell” for the full series and if you are a Rush fan you will want to read this or the short version here.

Update bottom: One more thing. The MSM will pay Politico & the Morning Joe people to put out this stuff, my stuff is only possible because of you, any help is appreciated



48 posted on 09/19/2012 1:51:12 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hey I want to point out that I do not deserve any credit for that info. It's not my research.

Look at the thread I put it in, somebody else posted a link to it, and claimed that the graphics were not copiable.

I just applied my HTML-fu to prove them wrong.

Here is the original article.

49 posted on 09/19/2012 3:23:02 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Uncle Slayton
“The GOP Controls the House and if it were to come down to Romney winning the popular vote while losing the Electoral College vote, the House would have to take actions to follow the wishes of the majority of the voters.”

Huh? If 0bama wins the Electoral College he will get four more years and there is nothing the House can do about it. Nor should it. When Romney wins the popular vote, I guarantee he will win the Electoral College, so it will be a moot point.

50 posted on 09/19/2012 4:58:00 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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