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"Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions after cardiac surgery at no greater health risk"
Health Pop July 3, 2012 ^ | July 3,2012 | Michelle Castillo

Posted on 09/19/2012 12:25:08 PM PDT by count-your-change

"The study looked at 48,986 non-Witnesses who had blood transfusions and 322 Witnesses who refused to have blood transfusions who all underwent cardiac surgery between 1983 to 2011. After matching the patients up by similar cases, researchers found both groups had similar risks for dying at the hospital. However, Witnesses had lower chances of having additional operations for bleeding, renal failure and sepsis compared with non-Witnesses who received transfusions"

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bloodtransfusion; hearthealth
(The CBS URL seems not to work but google "Healthpop July 3,2012" and that should work.)

"The results of the study: Outcome of Patients Who Refuse Transfusion After Cardiac Surgery: A Natural Experiment With Severe Blood Conservation

Gregory Pattakos, MD, MS; Colleen G. Koch, MD, MS, MBA; Mariano E. Brizzio, MD; Lillian H. Batizy, MS; Joseph F. Sabik, MD; Eugene H. Blackstone, MD; Michael S. Lauer, MD

Arch Intern Med. 2012;172(15):1154-1160. doi:10.1001/archinternmed.2012.2449

was at the link cited in the Health Pop article,

"Results Witnesses had fewer acute complications and shorter length of stay than matched patients who received transfusions: myocardial infarction, 0.31% vs 2.8% (P = . 01); additional operation for bleeding, 3.7% vs 7.1% (P = . 03); prolonged ventilation, 6% vs 16% (P < . 001); intensive care unit length of stay (15th, 50th, and 85th percentiles), 24, 25, and 72 vs 24, 48, and 162 hours (P < . 001); and hospital length of stay (15th, 50th, and 85th percentiles), 5, 7, and 11 vs 6, 8, and 16 days (P < . 001). Witnesses had better 1-year survival (95%; 95% CI, 93%-96%; vs 89%; 95% CI, 87%-90%; P = . 007) but similar 20-year survival (34%; 95% CI, 31%-38%; vs 32% 95% CI, 28%-35%; P = . 90)."

The medical community is recognizing the health benefits of the "no blood" directive.

1 posted on 09/19/2012 12:25:12 PM PDT by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

A lot of nice points here, to be sure.

I would also like to raise the issue of self-donating blood to be used in your own surgery. Some health care facilities will allow you to donate your own blood ahead of time, so that it can be used when you need it.

I’ve also heard reports some health care facilities don’t do this, so it’s something people should research before they may have a need to do it.


2 posted on 09/19/2012 12:38:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Couple of comments by folks contemplating surgery, related to self-donating blood.

http://bonesmart.org/forum/threads/self-donating-blood-for-surgery.10286/


3 posted on 09/19/2012 12:40:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Donating blood for your own use statement UCSF.

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/donating_blood_before_your_hospital_stay/index.html


4 posted on 09/19/2012 12:43:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: count-your-change
Any self-selection effects on the high end for the most complicated cases? For example, will a hospital do a simple procedure on anyone, but refuse to do a complex procedure on a JW because he isn't willing to accept donor blood?
5 posted on 09/19/2012 12:45:05 PM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Preoperative self donated blood Q & A

http://www.mybloodsite.com/content/preoperative-autologous-blood-donation-answer


6 posted on 09/19/2012 12:45:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: count-your-change

My mother was a witness in the nineties, and I had some interesting chats with some of her elders as they tried to recruit me lol. Agreed to disagree on many things, but I appreciate some of their theories on medical issues. The blood tranfusion industry has proven to be russian rulette. Even now thr Red Cross are relaxing some standard to accept more gay blood, as well as other risky lifestyle donors.

The witnesses have been pushing the safer fake blood research forward fortwenty something years. Hospitals now recognize the value since it doesnt go stale like real blood, and they can store unlimited supplies. I would request it myself.

Anyway, thrnks for posting!


7 posted on 09/19/2012 12:48:15 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: DoughtyOne

This seems to be a rather generic list of steps to donate your own blood at a lab (likely an in-house hospital lab) prior to surgery.

http://www.laneblood.org/donate-blood/autologous-self-donation/


8 posted on 09/19/2012 12:48:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: DoughtyOne
This list is from MD News.com April 15 of last year:

“Bloodless Medicine Programs
The Institute for Patient Blood Management and Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Englewood Hospital in New Jersey became the first hospital in the U.S. to offer bloodless surgery as a standard of care to all its patients. Englewood has been performing bloodless surgery since 1994. Medical professionals from across the country and around the world have come to the Institute to learn how to use alternatives to blood transfusion to improve patient outcomes.

To learn more about the Institute for Patient Blood Management and Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Englewood Hospital, visit englewoodhospital.com.

The Transfusion-Free Medicine & Surgery Center at Good Samaritan Hospital also treats patients using bloodless techniques. Visit goodsam.org to learn more.

The Bloodless Medicine & Surgery program of Atlanta Medical Center in Georgia is another option for patients seeking bloodless surgery. For more information, visit atlantamedcenter.com.

In Michigan, Bronson Methodist Hospital helps prevent the need for a blood transfusion by employing conservation techniques. To learn more, visit bronsonhealth.com.”

I haven't checked the links but every major hospital has experience with bloodless surgery.

9 posted on 09/19/2012 12:51:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: catbertz

Non-plasma or blood alternatives...

So-called synthetic blood replacements...

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/drug-hetastarch/article_em.htm


10 posted on 09/19/2012 12:54:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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There are many companies researching/marketing synth blood products:

http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/BI108/BI108_2005_Groups/10/webpages/PFClink.htm


11 posted on 09/19/2012 12:57:51 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: count-your-change

Thank you. I know this information is somewhat off topic, since the post was study related, but I wanted folks to know there are options out there.

No offense was intended.


12 posted on 09/19/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: count-your-change

JW’s are unpatriotic cultists.

Un-American pests.

They know not to knock on my door again with their heretic bullcrap...ever since I sicced Tojo on ‘em, hehehe.


13 posted on 09/19/2012 12:59:49 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: catbertz

Very good. Thanks for the mention.


14 posted on 09/19/2012 1:00:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Even the most complicated heart surgeries are being performed routinely without donor blood. Generally if the operation can be done at all it can be done without transfusion.

I know of no hospital that has refused treatment solely on the basis of the patients refusal to accept a blood transfusion.

If you google some of sites dealing with bloodless surgery you'll find it's far more common in very complicated cases then might be thought.

15 posted on 09/19/2012 1:14:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Earlier this year, following a botched procedure, I lost 3 liters of blood, and did not receive a transfusion.


16 posted on 09/19/2012 1:15:39 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
JW’s are unpatriotic cultists.
They don't vote, say the pledge of allegiance or serve in the military - they don't believe in America, it's just where they happen to live. The crew that stops here every so often always sends the prettiest women to the door, very friendly of course. I just tell them no thanks, I'm not joining your cult, have a nice day.
17 posted on 09/19/2012 1:33:01 PM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a Model 1911.)
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To: catbertz
The blood expanders and such are not the same as blood but quite useful and by yards less expensive to handle.

The purpose of the posting was to show that a position based upon religious principles can prove to be simply good health sense. And I think it also has produced more careful and precise surgical techniques.

18 posted on 09/19/2012 1:50:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: G Larry

I’m glad you’re still here to tell about it!


19 posted on 09/19/2012 1:57:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: DoughtyOne
None taken, a person should learn all they can about their own health and the choices available in care. We are fortunate in having the internet and free libraries to turn to.
20 posted on 09/19/2012 2:00:50 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
A good surgeon with a good crew can minimize the loss of blood. I had a quadruple bypass and needed no transfusion.
21 posted on 09/19/2012 3:04:10 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: OldEagle

A very good surgeon indeed. Hence no worries about untoward reactions.


22 posted on 09/19/2012 4:02:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

He was a superb surgeon. One of the ones who knew he was superb, but acted very humble. A good man, indeed.


23 posted on 09/19/2012 4:13:37 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: count-your-change

Yes we are lucky. Take care...


24 posted on 09/20/2012 10:34:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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