Skip to comments.Defeatist GOP Elites Quit on Mitt
Posted on 09/19/2012 2:52:45 PM PDT by Kaslin
RUSH: You know, I could be wrong about this, but here's Bill Kristol, who is saying that Romney... Let me get this quote in front of me. I always put this stuff the bottom of the Stack. Bill Kristol says Romney was "stupid and arrogant," and every Democrat under the sun is retweeting it. On the tape, talking about the 47%, Kristol says Romney was "stupid and arrogant." Every Democrat under the sun's retweeting that all over the place, Donna Brazile and others.
You know what struck me about this? During the primary, all these people -- not all of them, but a lot of the people -- who were telling us, "Romney's the only guy. He's the only chance we've got! Romney's the one," they've bailed. They've bailed on him. Now they're running around saying, "He's not the candidate we thought he was gonna be. He's stupid and arrogant," and all these things. And those of you, you and me, who were said to be problematic during the primaries? We're the ones supporting Romney!
We're the ones trying to do everything we can to help get the guy get elected, because this election's about stopping Obama! This election is about stopping the Democrat Party. This election is very important. It's very crucial. I say it again: I don't think that the inside the Beltway glitterati look at it all that way. I don't think they think anything's really at stake here, except committee chairmanships in the Senate, or control over the federal budget, or finding enough people to tell you they'll go on a cruise with you after the election.
But for all of us, this is ball game, the way we look at it. I find it interesting. We're the ones supporting Romney. And the guys that were all-in at the beginning and saying (muttering), "Romney's the only guy who can win. He's the only guy that's electable. He's the only one," now they're bailing on him. You know all they're doing is trying to protect their own reputations. They think everybody else sees Romney as stupid, so they gotta say so, too, to make sure that they're not looked at the same way people are supposedly looking at Romney.
But they're totally misreading the American people on this.
The American people... Democrats are wrong to this, too. The American people are not fit to be tied, angry, insulted, or what have you over what Romney said on that tape. Let's go back to the audio sound bites. Frank Luntz, well-known... What does he do? Well, he's a well-known focus grouper. He's a pollster. (Just a mental block there.) He does all the focus groups with Hannity and so forth. He was on CBS This Morning today and they had a discussion about the "secret" video Mitt Romney recorded at a May fundraiser.
Again, there are two minutes of this thing missing. David Corn of Mother Jones said (paraphrased), "Hey, we got the whole thing! Here it is! The whole thing's there." Bill Jacobson at Legal Insurrection blog said, "No, it's not. There's two minutes missing, and nobody knows what's in the two minutes." Norah O'Donnell, the hostette, says to Luntz, "Now you see a number of Republicans, former Republicans criticizing Mitt Romney for his comment. Is this a turning point in the campaign?"
Everybody thinks Romney lost the election yesterday.
The glitterati, the intelligentsia, the stars inside the Beltway think Romney lost the election yesterday. They really do. That's why it was so hard for you watching television last night 'cause you see all these people on all these networks. "Oh, it's over!" I never met a bunch of quitters like these in my life. I never met a bigger bunch of defeatists! We haven't even had the debates. It's not even October yet. Anyway, here's what Luntz said. When Norah O'Donnell asks, "Is this a turning point in the campaign, Frank?" what she means is: "Okay, Romney stepped in it. Is that it? Is it over now?"
LUNTZ: First we had the 99 to 1%. Now we've got the 47 to 53%. Americans do believe that there's too much dependency on government and they want more personal responsibility. What they don't like is that line in Romney's statement where he says, "I don't care about them." They want a president to care about everyone, regardless of whether you vote for them or not. First you're trying to decide, are you in the 53 or 47; then (snickers) you're trying to decide, do you pay or not?
RUSH: Now, Frank spends all day with these independents who can't make up their minds, and they're now trying to figure out whether they're in the 47%. But they don't like that Romney said he doesn't care. Now, did Romney actually say that? Did he say he don't care about them? See, if he did, it's a problem, but that still is the opportunity that was presented. He's gone places on TV now like with Cavuto. (interruption) Exactly.
What he meant was: In the terms of the election, those people are already committed to Obama in his view. Obama starts out with 47% of the vote, is what he means. And he's gotta focus on the remaining people that he can get to vote for him. But, anyway, you also hear Luntz say, "Americans do believe that there's too much dependency on government and they want more personal responsibility." So O'Donnell then says, "But Romney was suggesting that these people are mooching off the system. He wasn't offering a helping hand. That's how they might interpret it."
LUNTZ: That's the whole issue. It's the interpretation versus what is meant. I want to make this clear: The race isn't over. It's not a game-changer. Not only is it not over, if Romney can change the focus with 23 million unemployed, he's got a tremendous opportunity.
RUSH: There you have it, folks! The expert says it's not over, nowhere near over. And it's not a game-changer, but everybody in the media thinks it is. There was a Politico story somebody sent me last night. It was a Politico headline, or story, and it literally said the race was over last night. It was finished, it was done, because of this Romney comment. Now, Luntz says, "Not only is it not over, if Romney can change the focus with 23 million unemployed, he's got a tremendous opportunity."
I guess what that means is there are some in the 23 million unemployed who would vote for Obama because they want a continuation of unending benefits? My way of thinking -- which I know is crazy, cockamamie, out of the mainstream. By my way of thinking, I don't understand why more than ten or 20% of the unemployed would want anything to do with Barack Obama! Why are they unemployed? Romney hasn't had anything to do with them being unemployed.
Not one Romney policy has had anything to do with unemployment in this country. Not one! The only candidate in this race who can be tied to high unemployment is Barack Obama. Now, somebody explain to me how the 23 million unemployed wouldn't automatically want an alternative to Obama? At least a majority of them. (New Castrati impression) "Mr. Limbaugh, what you are forgetting, sir -- what you are missing -- is many of these 23 million unemployed really blame Bush, George W. Bush, who's really responsible for this!"
Well, there probably is some of that because of the media. But, again, common sense is rearing its head here, and I don't know how you make the case that a guy who has not been in office -- who has never been president, who hasn't had his hand on one aspect of federal policy -- is in any way linked to unemployment. "Mr. Limbaugh you're forgetting something else! There are guys like Romney who are going to increase unemployment by giving all the money to the rich!"
Well, if we've gotten to that point where people think that, then this is all academic anyway, and I just refuse to accept that. I just think this is all cockamamie. I think way too many people on our side fall for this. It's hard to avoid it, I must admit. The media bubble is there every day. Snerdley? It traps him every night! He leaves here with one view of the world after having listened to this program -- and after absorbing the news for three hours later that night, he's back down so low that when he looks up, he sees the gutter.
And if you choose to expose yourself to the modern day so-called news media for any length of time, you're gonna end up thinking the same thing. If you don't think that, then you're gonna think, "My gosh, there's no way. How can we overcome this?" And it's true. There has never, ever, in any of our lifetimes been anything this. We've never seen a news media so activist and in the tank like this for a candidate. Never, never. I mean, to the point of making up news stories, to the point of being ridiculous. The guy in the video caused the riots in the Middle East and ultimately it's Romney's fault?
And they try to do news stories, serious news stories with that premise? Now, I've never understood how the rich steal from the poor anyway. I've never understood the math on that, how the rich got rich from taking from the poor. I know I didn't go to college, but nobody's ever shown me mathematically how that formula works, that the rich got rich by taking from the poor.
RUSH: Wiesbaden, Germany, Angelo. I'm gonna get you. How long do you have here with us?
CALLER: I can stay with you as long as you need, Rush.
RUSH: Oh, cool. Okay, what's on your mind?
CALLER: Well, sir, first off: Thank you very much for taking my call.
RUSH: You bet.
CALLER: But I was listening to you during the Republican convention and the coverage after the convention, and it struck me that the advisers to Mitt Romney sound to me a whole lot like RINOs that just don't want to lose their jobs. They're so entrenched in the status quo that they just want to keep it the way it is. That's why they're giving him all this, um, I would say "questionable advice" about not running on Obama's very public lack of a record.
RUSH: Yeah. But he hired them.
CALLER: And that if --
RUSH: Yeah, but wait. It's a known quantity. He hired 'em. Is it their fault or his? He hired 'em.
RUSH: He's the one who decides.
CALLER: That's true.
RUSH: He doesn't have to listen to 'em.
CALLER: No, you're right. You're right.
RUSH: It could cut both ways. If you go hire the architects of McCain's defeat and expect something different... So, I mean, they are who they are, is the point. There's not a... (groans) Thanks for the call. I really appreciate it.
These elite turds may be fine with another four years of Zero destroying the country and being “flexible” with our enemies.
So, the GOPe shoved this liberals Republican down our throats, and now they are surprised he is who he is?
If Romney loses this, the GOP belongs on the ash heap of history...as Clint said, “...we got to let them go.”
Both of these criticisms are, at best, misplaced; at worst, they are just disingenuous.
At any rate, they are easily answerable.
Lets begin with the argument against purism. To this line, two replies are in the coming.
As for the second objection against the Tea Partiers rejection of those Republican candidates who eschew his values and convictions,
it can be dispensed with just as effortlessly as the first.
Every election seasonand at no time more so than this past seasonRepublicans pledge to reform Washington, trim down the federal government, and so forth.
Once, however, they get elected and they conduct themselves with none of the confidence and enthusiasm with which they expressed themselves on the campaign trail,
those who placed them in office are treated to one lecture after the other on the need for compromise and patience.
Well, when the Tea Partiers impatience with establishment Republican candidates intimates a Democratic victory,
he can use this same line of reasoning against his Republican critics.
My dislike for the Democratic Party is second to none, he can insist.
But in order to advance in the long run my conservative or Constitutionalist values, it may be necessary to compromise some in the short term.
If Bill Kristol says something or someone is “arrogant”, he should know. He is the expert poster child for arrogance.
But how are you going to fire all the Republican primary voters? You can’t just say they are too uninformed to vote in the next primary. The same ol’, same ol’ primary people will surely be back again in 2016 and again nominating the wrong candidate.
Kristol can kiss my grits. I could care less about anything he has to say.
I thought since I heard this that it will help Mitt. More people need to know how few people in this country are paying income taxes. That’s the real “fair share” issue.
Gee being so great, why doesn’t Bill Kristol run for president?
F him, why should anyone have respect for a “republican” who disses their own candidate toward the end of a tight race?
Thank you for posting that.
Bears much repeating especially when there are a cadre of Romney supporters here spewing vitriol at those who refuse to support their guy - on a level they do not dare engage in with Obama’s drones.
As I said several times, the “anti-purists’ as you call them - they hate principled Conservative Christians more than they do Obama and the leftists.
You know the GOPe elite are getting bad when Mitt Romney is too rightwing for them.
How insane is that?
Correction: If Romney looses this the USA belongs on the ash heap of history...and a new millennium of world wide Dark Ages will be upon us.
Republicans, meet the Whigs.
Unfortunately it's an increasingly small fraction of the people that fit your definition. I'm worried we're past the tipping point.
When I saw Kristol on Fox in the primary, he was not supporting Romney. So he didn’t flip-flop. He was one of the few I saw who did not like any of the primary candidates. If I recall correctly he was pulling for Chris Christie or Jeb Bush to enter the race. So, yeah, Kristol’s squishy on conservatism, but I think he’s been intellectually honest about where he stands.
I think the effete elites are petrified that conservative values will carry the day. If that happens then there is no more reason to support RINO BS.
The hand-wringers don’t like the truth-telling. When Mitt wins, he can do what he wants without their say-so.
I guess I can take a layer of tinfoil off and say what I’ve said before. The GOPe didn’t want McCain to win and they don’t want Romney to win.
Many of these same elites supported and voted for Mr. Obama in 2008. Am I the only one who remembers this? Peggy Noonan, Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, Colin Powell, etc., etc... They said Sarah Palin was too dumb, a Christer, too conservative, blah, blah, blah or that having a black president would heal all the wounds, yada, yada, yada or that fresh, bold ideas were needed, humina, humina, humina...
None of this matters a whit!
It is Romney vs Obama.
All of you who don’t like Obama ought to have the intestinal fortitude to hike your a$$ out to the polls and vote against him!
And, while you are there, vote for the most conservative House and Senate candidates in your state/district.
We can fix the RINO problem, but it is for damn sure that if Obama wins on Nov, 6 it will not be fixed.
Romney is the anti-Obama candidate — gitchera$$ out there and root for him and vote for him!
And, quit playing the “I don’t like Mitt because . . .” game!
Don’t you understand what the LIEberals are doing to us?
” The GOPe didnt want McCain to win and they dont want Romney to win.”
I’m not really sure I’d put Bill Kristol in that category. I seem to remember he was probably more in favor of Newt Gingrich than he was Mitt Romney. Here’s a link to a video of him apparently defending Newt last year, but I can’t view it to confirm what he says. To me the real sign of an effete elite RINO establishment type is someone who supported Romney in the primary, which Kristol didn’t do. Kristol’s criticized Romney all along on a lot of the same fronts FR has, such as Romneycare. And I don’t expect someone to “pretend” they like a candidate just to be a “team player” if they don’t really like them. I look for honesty from anyone in the media.
If Mitt loses, I’m open to helping build a third party
Which ones? The Democrats or the GOPe?
I despised Bill Kristol long before this. He’s the textbook example of a beltway elite RINO.
It shows how 'objective' he is.
So, the Romniacs are revolting against their leader? These would be the guys who sold Romney to us because Gingrich/Santorum/Palin were too right wing. Now Romney is too right wing?
Its hard to take these guys seriously. In fact, I don’t. I wouldn’t even know what they said if I didn’t read it on FR.
They imagine they're on top but that's only because the tide is out. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Stromatolites_in_Sharkbay.jpg
The GOP-e are all clones of one another ~ kind of like a bacterial mat, maybe what you’d find in a stromatolite ~ a very primitive early life form............. They imagine they’re on top but that’s only because the tide is out. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Stromatolites_in_Sharkbay.jpg
So far all these “turning points” have been in the minds of the faux journalists inhabiting the Washington media circle jerk. NBC can now adjust its poll to show an Obama surge.
why the are you directing this at me? I actually agree.
The effete elites are more dedicted to harumphing at the country club about how wonderful they are than actually doing something useful.
The GOPe didnt want McCain to win and they dont want Romney to win.
Yes, I saw you a few weeks ago. You were holding a Newt Gingrich sign. So, it appears that, in your judgment, Newt Gingrich has the intelligence and values to be our Commander-in-Chief and govern our entire country?
Now Newt Gingrich has endorsed Romney...
If you genuinely believe Romney is that bad, then how can you still be holding a Newt Gingrich sign when he endorsed Romney?
Do you see how ridiculous your position is? If you are right about Romney, then you are insanely wrong about Gingrich. If you are right about Gingrich, then you are insanely wrong about Romney.
So which is it?
The Republican elite chose Romney. They made it clear that Romney's conservative speeches were just for the idiot right wingers and that like an etch-a-sketch all conservative positions would soon be erased.
Now the Republican establishment is praising Obama and the Democrats and attacking Romney. The attacks are usually anonymous leaks to the MSM.
Sarah Palin must be amused by the irony. The Republican elites and the Romney people demanded that she not be welcome in the Republican Party and not allowed to speak at the convention. The Democrats and the MSM attacked her and the Republican elites threw her under the bus with the hope that it would appease the MSM.
Romney will now be subject to the same anonymous leaks and attacks the Sarah Palin was. The MSM will say that the election is lost and the Republican elites will agree.
Charlie Christ and the moderates the Republicans gave millions of dollars to in 2010 are backing Obama now. Ron Paul is working for Obama. Todd Akin and other conservatives are being abandoned by the Republican Party.
I don't think that Bain capital invested that much in Obama's election last time and millions this time just for the fun of it.
We could assume they love Romney and they're hedging their bets. That shows them very unsure of a Romney win.
We could assume they hate Romney and are finally getting to stick it to him.
Or we could assume they think the inside-the-beltway folks are all the same, that they trade this presidency thing back and forth, and that they've heard Obama gets a 2nd shot at it.
Maybe the GOP-e sees a depression coming, they don't want blame for it, so they're willing to give it to Obama.
Rasmussen polling, however, doesn't support a Romney loss at this point. He's actually leading by 2 points. The debates still remain. The nation is falling apart economically, in foreign policy, and in unity.
I'm not convinced it's over, but I do believe the GOP-e plays both sides of the fence.
I was not addressing it to you. Please accept my apology.
I was addressing my comments to all the Mitt naysayers.
Both, but we MUST DEFEAT OBAMA!
I didn't sign such an agreement and neither did Patton@Bastogne.
It's good to be a free man.
I think the collapse and they don’t want the GOPe to be blamed is a more likely scenario.
There are several problems with the whole losing now may be good eventually for the party, for conservatives, and for the nation.
One is the Supreme Court. I don’t know that a President McCain would have nominated good judges, and if he did if he could have gotten them confirmed. Same for Romney should he win. But we know how horrible Sotomayor and Kagan are, and that was a huge opportunity lost to finally right the Court. Now we have decades of insane, activist, power-usurping jurisprudence from these two. If Obama wins again, then he’ll replace Ginsburg for sure. Breyer might retire too. That would mean we lost the chance to replace every one of the most recent liberal retirements. If Kennedy or Scalia were to retire, then it’s over as far as the Court goes. Gay marriage will be imposed on the entire nation (though that may happen now with the threat of Kennedy or Roberts jumping ship). The Second Amendment victories will be reversed and in its place the worthless collective right interpretation will reign. Inevitable ‘anti-hate’ speech laws will be sanctioned. And so on and so on.
Another thing to consider is Obamacare. For it to be overturned Romney must win and the GOP must retake the Senate. Otherwise it stands and it will never be overturned.
And finally there are the mass immigration-driven demographic shifts that are favoring the Democrats, and making it harder for the GOP and conservatives each cycle. I don’t know if a Romney loss would result in the party ‘moderating’ (i.e. going left) even more, or if it would mean we get a real conservatives in 2016. But either way, the country and electorate will be less white, and that won’t be good for the GOP or conservatives.
Does that hurt?